The Dark Knight Rises

[ACamp1900]

I did rather like the whole anti-rich thing being shown in a pretty bad light...

As well as what essentially boiled down to soviet style communism...

 

[Buster Bluth]

She wanted Bruce Wayne to suffer, so she drew it out to cause as much suffering to the city/Bruce as possible. It was as much trying to destroy the city as destroy Bruce's spirit.

And that aspect is remarkably stupid.

 

[BurningRiver]

In my opinion, the Dark Knight was the best of the three, followed by TDKR and Batman Begins. However, the gap between TDK and TDKR is significant. TDK is one of my favorite movies of all time. I know it's long and drawn out with some unnecessary turning points, but the incredible reality with which Nolan was able to portray a concept and villain that seemed so ridiculous on paper is nothing short of genius filmmaking. Add to that the fact that Heath Ledger's Joker was one of the greatest acting performances of all time (IMO) and you have a masterpiece. TDKR is equally drawn out, but doesnt have as much of the gritty realism that made TDK such a masterpiece. I'll stand by my statement earlier though that the last 40 or so minutes of TDKR were nothing short of incredible.

 

[PerthDomer]

Imagine if Ledger hadn't died and the Joker had been the villain rather than Bane... This would rival the Godfather trilogy. As it stands I see it on Lord Of The Rings level. And really? If the bomb thing was stupid, the Joker's blow up the boats after midnight idea was stupid. Why not blow them up right away? Who cares about psychological suffering?

 

[BurningRiver]

Imagine if Ledger hadn't died and the Joker had been the villain rather than Bane... This would rival the Godfather trilogy. As it stands I see it on Lord Of The Rings level. And really? If the bomb thing was stupid, the Joker's blow up the boats after midnight idea was stupid. Why not blow them up right away? Who cares about psychological suffering?

The Joker's whole blow up the boats stunt wasn't "stupid," it symbolized exactly what the Joker was set out to prove. His whole thing was that humanity was flawed and would turn to chaos with "one single push." Giving the boats the triggers to each other's bombs was actually a genius way of doing that. I'll agree with you that the bomb plot in TDKR was a little ridiculous but the one in TDK made perfect sense.

 

[irishfanjho15]

And that aspect is remarkably stupid.

I'm not looking for an argument here, and you won't get one. But it's remarkably stupid to think that Talia al Ghul wouldn't make Bruce Wayne/Batman suffer for killing her father while trying to destroy Gotham (which is metaphorically the Waynes' /Batman's city), the city he and his parents have spent their lives trying to save. That's not a gimmick plot point, it is the basis of her motive. The basis of the trilogy. But to each his own.

I enjoyed the movie, enjoyed the first two and am a huge fan of Batman (animated series, comics, movies, etc.) I never called this a masterpiece and I have seen very few people call it that on here, its more people who didn't like it going to the extreme (i.e. taking a position rivaling, 'you call this a masterpiece? Ha, you simpleton') to further their points.

 

[irishfanjho15]

Imagine if Ledger hadn't died and the Joker had been the villain rather than Bane... This would rival the Godfather trilogy. As it stands I see it on Lord Of The Rings level. And really? If the bomb thing was stupid, the Joker's blow up the boats after midnight idea was stupid. Why not blow them up right away? Who cares about psychological suffering?

Most, if not all, super villains in comic lore.

 

[PerthDomer]

My point is that people are being willfully dense when saying that the bomb plot is stupid. If you accept what the Joker did as valid then the bomb thing follows.

 

[irishfanjho15]

My point is that people are being willfully dense when saying that the bomb plot is stupid. If you accept what the Joker did as valid then the bomb thing follows.

I'm with you Perth. It's just the psychological aspect of it is important. The Joker was trying to show, with the people on each boat being able to blow each other up or face death themselves, that everyone was "as ugly as" him. That when put in the situation they would kill out of necessity.

 

[RubberSoul]

I'm with you Perth. It's just the psychological aspect of it is important. The Joker was trying to show, with the people on each boat being able to blow each other up or face death themselves, that everyone was "as ugly as" him. That when put in the situation they would kill out of necessity.

As if everybody hasn't known that for.....over 2000 years?

 

[Riddickulous]

The Dark Knight is genius, for sure.

Nolan's Batman films are the cream of the crop as far as superhero films are concerned, but genius?

Imagine if Ledger hadn't died and the Joker had been the villain rather than Bane... This would rival the Godfather trilogy. As it stands I see it on Lord Of The Rings level. And really? If the bomb thing was stupid, the Joker's blow up the boats after midnight idea was stupid. Why not blow them up right away? Who cares about psychological suffering?

I disagree.

 

[Sweetness34]

I think DKR was GREAT! It was on Par for me with the DK. I loved the story line and the twists. I felt like I could connect with Batman when he was down. I also loved the brashness and the a matter of factness of Bain. He was a true bad *** villain. Catwoman was great too, Anne Hathaway did one helluva job in that role. I am curious to see how it goes from here. I am also very excited for "The Man of Steel" with the influence of Nolan.

 

[NDPhilly]

Basically sums up the ending of DKR.

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[RubberSoul]

Here you go guys. What's the point in having an invisible plane? You can still look up and see her flying around.


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[jason_h537]

Wait a minute you guys who are fans of lightsabers, magical rings, ****ing ewoks taking down an empire, Indy closing his eyes to avoid his face meltinf from the arc, yet see Bane holding a city hostage with a nuke and that's is just ridiculous.

Movies have a set of rules, as long as those rules make sense within that movies universe than it works. That is why Avengers works and Fantastic Four does not. TDKR is a conclusion to the Dark Knight trilogy. As a stand alone it is flawed, as a bookend it is fantastic. Yes it is an par with Star Wars (the original, not the crap that is out now), LOTR (though I am not a fan), Godfather, and others you can think of.

To those that compare it to Transformers. Lets see Rotten Tomatoes critic meter

Transformers 57%
Tranformers: Revenge of the fallen 20%
Transformers: Dark of the Moon 35%

Batman Begins 85%
The Dark Knight 94%
The Dark Knight Rises 87%

Yeah that is comparable

 

[RubberSoul]

Wait a minute you guys who are fans of lightsabers, magical rings, ****ing ewoks taking down an empire, Indy closing his eyes to avoid his face meltinf from the arc, yet see Bane holding a city hostage with a nuke and that's is just ridiculous.

Movies have a set of rules, as long as those rules make sense within that movies universe than it works. That is why Avengers works and Fantastic Four does not. TDKR is a conclusion to the Dark Knight trilogy. As a stand alone it is flawed, as a bookend it is fantastic. Yes it is an par with Star Wars (the original, not the crap that is out now), LOTR (though I am not a fan), Godfather, and others you can think of.

To those that compare it to Transformers. Lets see Rotten Tomatoes critic meter

Transformers 57%
Tranformers: Revenge of the fallen 20%
Transformers: Dark of the Moon 35%

Batman Begins 85%
The Dark Knight 94%
The Dark Knight Rises 87%

Yeah that is comparable

Yeah but superman would kick batmans *** so it doesn't matter

 

[Riddickulous]

Yeah but superman would kick batmans *** so it doesn't matter

Superman is boring.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Superman is boring.

Seriously. Omnipotent boy scout whose only weakness is a green rock.

 

[Rudy89]

Yeah but superman would kick batmans *** so it doesn't matter

NOOOOO! In Justice League doom it is revealed that Batman is smart enough to have plans in place to subdue all members of the justice league in case they go rouge INCLUDING Superman. Batman can take any member of the justice league down if he has to! I just got to geek out on irishenvy this is either going to be a post I look back on with foundness or its going to make people think Im even more of a dweeb.

 

[RubberSoul]

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[jason_h537]

Yeah but superman would kick batmans *** so it doesn't matter

Someone should have told the writers at DC

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

When you say Godfather trilogy it's implying that the 3rd Godfather wasn't an awful mess. It shouldn't even count to be honest.

 

[Rocket89]

'89 Batman is still the best.

Deal with it.

 

[BurningRiver]

'89 Batman is still the best.

Deal with it.

Heath Ledger's joker kicked Jack Nicholson's joker's ***.

 

[Rocket89]

Heath Ledger's joker kicked Jack Nicholson's joker's ***.

Eh, not really.

Ledger did a great job, but his Joker was different, not necessarily better.

Ledger benefited from acting out a stronger storyline, and for bringing that character to life in his own way, but he never really felt like Joker.

Ledger didn't really need to be Joker in TDK to have the same storyline---in the '89 Batman the movie would have been totally different with Nicholson playing a different type of criminal. Ledger's character is more popular now, but Nicholson's has endured for 2 decades and was brilliant in its own right. He definitely deserves a lot of props for bringing to life the "Joker-ish" aspects to the character. Ledger barely scratched the surface in that regard.

 

[Riddickulous]

Mark Hamill's Joker from Batman: The Animated Series was the best.

 

[RubberSoul]

Someone should have told the writers at DC

Well this is clearly a dream sequence or bizarro storyline. We all know that superman can stop a locomotive while batman is simply just a dude with cables and gizmos

 

[IrishMoore1]

My biggest gripe with the movie was that several times in TDKR Batman states that the point of the mask is that anyone could be him. He wanted to inspire citizens of Gotham to take justice into their own hands..

Except, in TDK, Batman gets pissed off at the copy cats at the beginning of the story and screams "I DON'T NEED HELP!" "I'M NOT WEARING HOCKEY PANTS," etc.

Am I misunderstanding what Batman is talking about or is this a legitimate contradiction between the two movies?

 

[Riddickulous]

My biggest gripe with the movie was that several times in TDKR Batman states that the point of the mask is that anyone could be him. He wanted to inspire citizens of Gotham to take justice into their own hands..

Except, in TDK, Batman gets pissed off at the copy cats at the beginning of the story and screams "I DON'T NEED HELP!" "I'M NOT WEARING HOCKEY PANTS," etc.

Am I misunderstanding what Batman is talking about or is this a legitimate contradiction between the two movies?

Right after confronting the copycats in TDK, he tells Alfred, "That's not exactly what I had in mind when I said I wanted to inspire people."

The people of Gotham can "be him" in the sense that they can stand up for what's right without fear.

 

[irishfanjho15]

My biggest gripe with the movie was that several times in TDKR Batman states that the point of the mask is that anyone could be him. He wanted to inspire citizens of Gotham to take justice into their own hands..

Except, in TDK, Batman gets pissed off at the copy cats at the beginning of the story and screams "I DON'T NEED HELP!" "I'M NOT WEARING HOCKEY PANTS," etc.

Am I misunderstanding what Batman is talking about or is this a legitimate contradiction between the two movies?

I don't remember this and I saw it on the midnight release and today at 3pm in IMAX. I may be mistaken but I remember him saying to Det. John Blake (Joseph Gordon-Levitt's character), just before blowing up the rumble that was keeping the police force trapped, that "if you're going to fight alone, wear a mask" to which Det. Blake says "I'm not afraid for them to know who I am" and Batman says "its not for you, it's to protect the people you care about". They also had a similar conversation when Blake gives him a ride in the police car after Wayne's sports car gets towed.