Terror Attack on Nice, France

[woolybug25]

I'm so sick of this idea that the only thing you're allowed to say after an act of violence is "sympathy for the victims and we'll discuss the implications at some future, politically appropriate time." #PrayForNice doesn't do a damn thing to actually PREVENT these attacks from happening in the future. I think trying to erode the wall of cowardice and political correctness that prevents us from talking about Islamic terrorism honestly is time well spent.

Who said that it's only okay to show sympathy? People are just sick of the knee jerk blame game you embarrassed yourself with last night. People only ask for some decorum after incidents like this. The hot fire you and others breathed immediately after the act was embarrassing. For you and the board.

 

[dad4aa]

But here is the thing.......

This is a discussion board, not a news site. If you want news, go to CNN.com or one of the millions of other news sites. Coming here to look for news about a terror attack in France is akin to going to a strip club to savor good wines. You're asking it to be something it is not.

Totally agree with this. But having the back and forth from republicans commenting how shitty Obama is and democrats stating how trump is worse isn't exactly what I would call a discussion. It is possible to discuss how we should try to combat ISIS without swaying right or left. It is a country/world problem not a party problem.

 

[dad4aa]

Who said that it's only okay to show sympathy? People are just sick of the knee jerk blame game you embarrassed yourself with last night. People only ask for some decorum after incidents like this. The hot fire you and others breathed immediately after the act was embarrassing. For you and the board.

^This!!! Many reps

 

[Irish#1]

Sure, why wouldn't he consider them that? They haven't made territorial gains in over a year, and are increasingly running out of luck in Iraq lately.

They represent an existential threat to exactly no nation on earth. Not even a shattered Syria.

People who cowardly beg for something to be done do themselves a disservice. Take two seconds to read into why the US, and more importantly Sunning countries, aren't moving to end ISIS.

I swear we have the same god damn responses every thread.

Tell that to all of the people they have killed.

 

[Irishcop]

Shocked to hear it wasn't carried out by a white nationalist. Who knew Muslims could be so violent?

Hahahahahaha

 

[wizards8507]

Who said that it's only okay to show sympathy? People are just sick of the knee jerk blame game you embarrassed yourself with last night. People only ask for some decorum after incidents like this. The hot fire you and others breathed immediately after the act was embarrassing. For you and the board.

Decorum? Are you kidding me? This is an internet message board, not the floor of the Senate or a cafe in Nice. The only relevant topic of conversation we can have is 1) what ideologies and political philosophies put us where we are and 2) how are we most likely to improve the situation for the future. To me, that means pointing out the truth about radical Islam and the fact that the American left has refused to call a spade a spade for over a decade.

To add: A few people DID embarrass themselves last night. That list includes Barack Obama, ESPN / ABC / The Walt Disney Company, and #BlackLivesMatter.

 

[woolybug25]

Decorum? Are you kidding me? This is an internet message board, not the floor of the Senate or a cafe in Nice. The only relevant topic of conversation we can have is 1) what ideologies and political philosophies put us where we are and 2) how are we most likely to improve the situation for the future. To me, that means pointing out the truth about radical Islam and the fact that the American left has refused to call a spade a spade for over a decade.

Of course you feel that way. I didn't realize that you made the rules for the board and chose the relevant topics. The reality is that you can have civilized conversation about the situation, hell... Even talk about the two topics you addressed. But you can do it with a bare minimum level of civility. Stooping to the low level of conversation you did made you no better than some poor sitting in a bar screaming about politics.

It was below you and embarrassing. You have the ability to be a better critical thinker than that. Be better.

 

[wizards8507]

Of course you feel that way. I didn't realize that you made the rules for the board and chose the relevant topics. The reality is that you can have civilized conversation about the situation, hell... Even talk about the two topics you addressed. But you can do it with a bare minimum level of civility. Stooping to the low level of conversation you did made you no better than some poor sitting in a bar screaming about politics.

It was below you and embarrassing. You have the ability to be a better critical thinker than that. Be better.

To whom was I uncivil? If there was any incivility, it wasn't on my part.

 

[woolybug25]

To whom was I uncivil? If there was any incivility, it wasn't on my part.

You're entire tone and message was uncivil. You don't have to direct your mouth breathing to one individual person in order to be acting without civility. You could have spoke with a level of respect to the situation and in a manner in which people would bother wanting to listen. When you stoop to the level of ranting, anything you say resorts to the lowest common denominator.

Think of the drunk, angry guy at a party. Making everyone roll their eyes as he bitches about about everything. You were that drunk asshole.

 

[wizards8507]

You're entire tone and message was uncivil. You don't have to direct your mouth breathing to one individual person in order to be acting without civility. You could have spoke with a level of respect to the situation and in a manner in which people would bother wanting to listen. When you stoop to the level of ranting, anything you say resorts to the lowest common denominator.

Think of the drunk, angry guy at a party. Making everyone roll their eyes as he bitches about about everything. You were that drunk asshole.

I think you're attributing things to me that I never said. My entire transcript from last night:

Can't blame guns for this one. MAYBE the problem is Islam?

The free world is under assault and the leader of the free world does worse than nothing.

I'm not talking about boots on the ground, I'm talking about leadership and tone.

Obama is on ESPN right now talking about how it's easier to buy a gun than a book.

Close the borders. All of them.

It encourages honest discourse and frank conversations about how best to deal with this.

In my criticism of Obama, not once did I endorse the Trump Doctrine.

Nothing in there is a rant or uncivil.

 

[woolybug25]

Read them in context. You incited the mouth breathing events of last night and are now trying to act like you didn't. Anybody can go back to page 1 and see for themselves.

 

[wizards8507]

 

[kmoose]

Read them in context. You incited the mouth breathing events of last night and are now trying to act like you didn't. Anybody can go back to page 1 and see for themselves.

I read it a little differently. I read that some conservative types were making sarcastic quips about Obama's likely response, based on his past responses to events. I don't think they were serious, but simply trying to inject a little humor into the situation. Then someone came along and SMDH at them, insinuating that they were way out of line. And then it was on..........

 

[wizards8507]

I read it a little differently. I read that some conservative types were making sarcastic quips about Obama's likely response, based on his past responses to events. I don't think they were serious, but simply trying to inject a little humor into the situation. Then someone came along and SMDH at them, insinuating that they were way out of line. And then it was on..........

At which point I was sleeping soundly.

 

[Buster Bluth]

I love it when woolybug goes wooly mammoth on posters.

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[Wingman Ray]

First and foremost, I want to offer my prayers to the victims and those close to them, as well as the entire country of France. They have been hit so hard by this sort of thing in the last few years, I can't even begin to fathom their mindset.

Unfortunately, I can very well see France implode. All the years of the muslim migration to France has France in a very bad position. 10% of its population today is muslim or 6.6 million Koran bearing, there-is-no-room-for-any-other-but-muslim thinking people.

Ariel Durant said "No civilization is conquered from without until it has destroyed itself from within."

What has made America strong in the past has been protecting our borders. That is starting to decline a bit now. France's has been way declined for decades.

 

[irishfan]

More attacks like this=more instantaneous hot takes cause we're all desensitized

I'm not really a fan of people politicizing events like this right away, but what's the point of only writing "RIP thoughts and prayers #city" when these things happen every month or two?

 

[irishfan]

Unfortunately, I can very well see France implode. All the years of the muslim migration to France has France in a very bad position. 10% of its population today is muslim or 6.6 million Koran bearing, there-is-no-room-for-any-other-but-muslim thinking people.

Ariel Durant said "No civilization is conquered from without until it has destroyed itself from within."

What has made America strong in the past has been protecting our borders. That is starting to decline a bit now. France's has been way declined for decades.

25% of teenagers identify as Muslim as well. I go to Reddit for a lot of breaking news, and there was an awful lot of French "white flight" in those threads from last night. I see that 10% total population number jumping like crazy in the next 50 years.

 

[kmoose]

Unfortunately, I can very well see France implode. All the years of the muslim migration to France has France in a very bad position. 10% of its population today is muslim or 6.6 million Koran bearing, there-is-no-room-for-any-other-but-muslim thinking people.

Not all Muslims are extremists that believe it is Islam or death.

 

[GowerND11]

Tell that to all of the people they have killed.

You bolded something, then answered it completely out of context. Yes they've killed many people. Yes that is a tragedy. Yes they are a problem that needs to be solved.

But in no way have they actually been a threat to any foreign nation in the time they have done so. The US, Western Europe, and even the Middle East are in no more danger of crumbling because of ISIS because of these attacks. We react with bombings and boots on the ground, more people despise us. More attacks occur when we infiltrate.

I'm not saying we need to pander to ISIS, but I am saying, like Buster, that they aren't an immediate threat like people believe. I don't have an answer for what the right course of action is against these terrorists, but blaming Obama, Islam, etc. isn't going to help any. We need a viable solution that isn't just, play world police and blow shit up.

 

[wizards8507]

You bolded something, then answered it completely out of context. Yes they've killed many people. Yes that is a tragedy. Yes they are a problem that needs to be solved.

But in no way have they actually been a threat to any foreign nation in the time they have done so. The US, Western Europe, and even the Middle East are in no more danger of crumbling because of ISIS because of these attacks. We react with bombings and boots on the ground, more people despise us. More attacks occur when we infiltrate.

I'm not saying we need to pander to ISIS, but I am saying, like Buster, that they aren't an immediate threat like people believe. I don't have an answer for what the right course of action is against these terrorists, but blaming Obama, Islam, etc. isn't going to help any. We need a viable solution that isn't just, play world police and blow shit up.

Who cares if they're not an immediate threat to take over a country's government? They're still an immediate threat to kill a whole bunch of innocent people and incite fear around the world. Just because they're not an existential threat to France itself doesn't mean they shouldn't be dealt with.

 

[GowerND11]

Who cares if they're not an immediate threat to take over a country's government? They're still an immediate threat to kill a whole bunch of innocent people and incite fear around the world. Just because they're not an existential threat to France itself doesn't mean they shouldn't be dealt with.

I never said they shouldn't be dealt with. All I'm saying is we need to put everything into context. Innocent people have died, and that is very upsetting, but knee jerk reactions aren't going to solve the issue. They want us to attack them. That is a recruiting strategy.

"Look at how the West invades our land and kills our people. Take up arms with your brothers in the name of Allah to destroy in infidels."

Us going there can do much more harm than good in the long run. Like I said, I don't have the answers, but I'm willing to listen to ideas that can solve this problem without "turning the Middle East into a parking lot."

 

[Wingman Ray]

Not all Muslims are extremists that believe it is Islam or death.

Look at the Koran. It clearly says no room for non Islamist. Now Im not saying all muslims are fanatic but that is what it says. I believe muslims will behave as long as it is in their best interest to behave. Once the lid is off, you will see a whole difference face under that taqiyah.

 

[Wingman Ray]

But in no way have they actually been a threat to any foreign nation in the time they have done so. The US, Western Europe, and even the Middle East are in no more danger of crumbling because of ISIS because of these attacks. We react with bombings and boots on the ground, more people despise us. More attacks occur when we infiltrate.

I'm not saying we need to pander to ISIS, but I am saying, like Buster, that they aren't an immediate threat like people believe. I don't have an answer for what the right course of action is against these terrorists, but blaming Obama, Islam, etc. isn't going to help any. We need a viable solution that isn't just, play world police and blow shit up.

They arent an immediate threat now because they dont have the military power to be one as of now. If you think for one minute that if they had they jack that they wouldnt come kicking down the West door then you are really kidding yourself. They arent a huge threat to developed nations because they know they cant do it manpower wise. That is why they kill undefended cities killing women and children in 3rd world countries and restrict to blowing up women and children.

You really need to take a second look. They arent a threat NOW military wise because they arent not because they dont want to be

 

[GowerND11]

Look at the Koran. It clearly says no room for non Islamist. Now Im not saying all muslims are fanatic but that is what it says. I believe muslims will behave as long as it is in their best interest to behave. Once the lid is off, you will see a whole difference face under that taqiyah.

It also says that Christians and Jews are people of the book. Therefore, they should not be killed, but taxed. So there's that...


This isn't exactly scholarly, but worth a read:
Lets Talk About Wahhabism - Album on Imgur

 

[kmoose]

Look at the Koran. It clearly says no room for non Islamist. Now Im not saying all muslims are fanatic but that is what it says. I believe muslims will behave as long as it is in their best interest to behave. Once the lid is off, you will see a whole difference face under that taqiyah.

From the Bible(King James Version):

Deuteronomy 17

If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.

 

[woolybug25]

Look at the Koran. It clearly says no room for non Islamist. Now Im not saying all muslims are fanatic but that is what it says. I believe muslims will behave as long as it is in their best interest to behave. Once the lid is off, you will see a whole difference face under that taqiyah.

Give me a break. So you have actually read the Koran? I doubt it.

I'm guessing you have read some one liners from a blog you read or something. The same kind of things can be said about the bible. There are tons of references to genocide, revenge, slavery, etc in the Bible that can twisted in the same manner.

It's amazing to me that people actually think all Muslims are jihadists. It shows a very limited understanding of the religion, the different sects and beliefs.

 

[IrishLax]

I never said they shouldn't be dealt with. All I'm saying is we need to put everything into context. Innocent people have died, and that is very upsetting, but knee jerk reactions aren't going to solve the issue. They want us to attack them. That is a recruiting strategy.

"Look at how the West invades our land and kills our people. Take up arms with your brothers in the name of Allah to destroy in infidels."

Us going there can do much more harm than good in the long run. Like I said, I don't have the answers, but I'm willing to listen to ideas that can solve this problem without "turning the Middle East into a parking lot."

I disagree. Not being there would just leave a vacuum that would results in the same or worse stuff. Look at how people in this country still bring up shit that colonists did to slaves or indigenous people 400+ years ago... the Middle East is not going to just "get over it" if we leave, no matter how much time we give them.

The only real solution is to get hundreds of thousands of troops on the ground from some sort of UN coalition and establish martial law. Then you brings in thousands of western teachers and indoctrinate the younger generations that their older generations are full of shit and religious zealotry makes zero sense. And then in about 50 years of that, you'll have the middle east functioning like a "normal" region of the world. The cost would be in the trillions to do that.

Alternative solution is eradication, which we'd all agree is not morally acceptable. So we're going to get stuck going round and round at the relatively small costs of a few hundred lives a year to terror attacks from extremists.

 

[zelezo vlk]

From the Bible(King James Version):

I sure hope you're posting that knowing the difference between Old and New Testament, the context etc. Or just to be cheeky.

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[Wingman Ray]

From the Bible(King James Version):

Very valid point UNTIL you inject the coming of Jesus who created a new covenant and did away with the old.

Old Testament was harsh. God had his chosen people and the non chosen were driven forth. That was established and time passed.

Then the Messiah came and changed it all.