Temple Post Game

[koonja]

We out gained them 467 to 295. I get the turnovers need to be improved on, but just pointing out for those that think we're physically not a top 4 type team. That's a pretty big difference in yardage.

 

[Jackalope1977]

We out gained them 467 to 295. I get the turnovers need to be improved on, but just pointing out for those that think we're physically not a top 4 type team. That's a pretty big difference in yardage.

That's one quarter in a Big 12 game.

 

[yankeeND]

We out gained them 467 to 295. I get the turnovers need to be improved on, but just pointing out for those that think we're physically not a top 4 type team. That's a pretty big difference in yardage.

Yeah, overall I'm pleased with the performance. Temple is a good team with an excellent defense and the boys were able to rack up over 450 yards against them. Not too shabby. Gotta clean up the red zone mistakes, and at the very least come away with 3 down there, but otherwise got the job done. I really hope to see a stronger presence in the run game with CJ next week, but if they are going to load the box, I have no problem putting the game in Kizer's hands and watching him win the game for us! He is really starting to show how good he could end up being!

 

[Redbar]

Yeah, overall I'm pleased with the performance. Temple is a good team with an excellent defense and the boys were able to rack up over 450 yards against them. Not too shabby. Gotta clean up the red zone mistakes, and at the very least come away with 3 down there, but otherwise got the job done. I really hope to see a stronger presence in the run game with CJ next week, but if they are going to load the box, I have no problem putting the game in Kizer's hands and watching him win the game for us! He is really starting to show how good he could end up being!

This. Plus, wanted to say what a great job Coach Gilmore is doing. D line has really been balling. Not the first time I have said this, but he keeps showing it week in and week out, Isaac Rochell is a beast and also a very nice young man. Day is leaving it on the field, like a true leader and Cage and Tillery have made obvious strides and really contributed this year. Romeo has been mostly solid as well. Would love to have him another year. Hats off to that group!

 

[Irish Insanity]

We out gained them 467 to 295. I get the turnovers need to be improved on, but just pointing out for those that think we're physically not a top 4 type team. That's a pretty big difference in yardage.

There is that large of a yardage difference yet 4 pts on the scoreboard. That's not a top 4 type team.

 

[koonja]

There is that large of a yardage difference yet 4 pts on the scoreboard. That's not a top 4 type team.

I sort of disagree. I see it as a top for talent team that has to get a lot better at situational football to be an actual top 4.

 

[RDU Irish]

I think Temple deserved the ranking they held onto this week. One point drop in the polls and stay a Top 25 team. From the other teams I have watched, I think they are worthy. I came away impressed with their team and happy with a win.

We were good enough to overcome a 2 turnover margin - this is a +10 point win without those red zone turnovers. Kizer didn't wilt, he found a way. I think he learns from this and we are a better team for it.

Pitt without Shumate in the first half - really concerns me. However, I think he will be a sparkplug for second half defense.

 

[Irish#1]

I'm not sure how it all works, but who officiates ND home games now, and who officiated them before the ACC partnership. Was it Big East, and now ACC, or was there ND employed officials, or mix of other conf officials.

Pretty sure that before the ACC partnership, the visiting team brought officials from their own conference. I remember on occasion B1G refs doing a game that wasn't against a B1G team and finding that odd. In those instances I'm assuming ND brought them in.

 

[Luckylucci]

-I really like Kizer's resiliency but he still needs to get more consistent if we are going to beat better teams.

- Very glad we're getting him running the zone read, thought he did a good job with it. Even f you back out the 79 yard run he had 16 carries for 64 yards or 4 ypc.

-Temple has a tough D so kudos to the offense (mostly Kizer) for moving the ball as much as we did but should've been able to come up with more points.

- IMO, that performance doesn't beat Stanford so more work needs to be done.

- I know that the ISD guys have talked about Nick Martin's less than stellar performance so far this season. I'd like to hear their take after Saturday. He was downright awful at times on Saturday. I really really like the kid but it was just really poor play. First time that his poor play jumped out at me like that.

- OL as a unit has to do a better job against these better defenses. Its now a unit that can bully some teams but isn't consistently getting the job done. Back out Kizer's 79 yard run and we averaged 2.96 ypc on 30 carries between Kizer and Prosise.

- Chris Brown continues to have a quiet but strong senior campaign. Reps to him for making it count.

- Glad to see Alize come up big. You can see that he's starting to settle in and play his game. Game seems to be slowing down for him.

- I think the DL played very well as a unit. Probably Cage's best game in a ND uniform. From a productivity standpoint this is the Day that we've been hoping for. Rochell continues to play really well.

-KVR with another big play at the end of another less than stellar performance.

- At this point Schmidt is meeting my expectations, which have been drastically lowered. I think anything that we get from him is a bonus.

- I'd really like to see Jaylon used more to attack the QB and backfield.

- The game was very poorly called, IMO. They let it go early and it just snowballed on itself.

- Bummer that Shumate, after playing so well, had to leave the field and will have to miss the first half of this weekend. He didn't deserve that.

 

[koonja]

-I really like Kizer's resiliency but he still needs to get more consistent if we are going to beat better teams.

- Very glad we're getting him running the zone read, thought he did a good job with it. Even f you back out the 79 yard run he had 16 carries for 64 yards or 4 ypc.

-Temple has a tough D so kudos to the offense (mostly Kizer) for moving the ball as much as we did but should've been able to come up with more points.

- IMO, that performance doesn't beat Stanford so more work needs to be done.

- I know that the ISD guys have talked about Nick Martin's less than stellar performance so far this season. I'd like to hear their take after Saturday. He was downright awful at times on Saturday. I really really like the kid but it was just really poor play. First time that his poor play jumped out at me like that.

- OL as a unit has to do a better job against these better defenses. Its now a unit that can bully some teams but isn't consistently getting the job done. Back out Kizer's 79 yard run and we averaged 2.96 ypc on 30 carries between Kizer and Prosise.

- Chris Brown continues to have a quiet but strong senior campaign. Reps to him for making it count.

- Glad to see Alize come up big. You can see that he's starting to settle in and play his game. Game seems to be slowing down for him.

- I think the DL played very well as a unit. Probably Cage's best game in a ND uniform. From a productivity standpoint this is the Day that we've been hoping for. Rochell continues to play really well.

-KVR with another big play at the end of another less than stellar performance.

- At this point Schmidt is meeting my expectations, which have been drastically lowered. I think anything that we get from him is a bonus.

- I'd really like to see Jaylon used more to attack the QB and backfield.

- The game was very poorly called, IMO. They let it go early and it just snowballed on itself.

- Bummer that Shumate, after playing so well, had to leave the field and will have to miss the first half of this weekend. He didn't deserve that.

Can they review and overturn Shummate's suspension during the week?

 

[Luckylucci]

I don't believe so but I'm not 100% certain. They review the play prior to ejecting him.

 

[koonja]

I don't believe so but I'm not 100% certain. They review the play prior to ejecting him.

I know they did, JW if there's some group outside of that that takes more than 1 minute to make a potentially new determination during the week. I think his hit was a natural football move and wasn't malicious at all or targeting.

 

[gkIrish]

Can they review and overturn Shummate's suspension during the week?

The rule is obviously really stupid but IMO the hit was worthy of the penalty/ejection as the rule is written. It's a shitty rule because the "victim" almost always dips his head into the illegal contact but unfortunately that's how it is.

By the way, it's absolutely not a coincidence that we have so many more career-threatening serious leg/knee/ankle injuries with the targeting rules.

 

[pkt77242]

Then allow me to retort this way:

That's the dumbest fvcking thing I have heard in a LONG time on this site, and that is QUITE an accomplishment.
You could put Will Fuller at TB, and teams are going to assign a CB to cover him.
If you put Will Fuller in the slot, you are going to have to put a less talented WR outside. One who maybe doesn't require a double team, leaving a defender available to help on Fuller.
Not to mention; Will Fuller is on pace to catch ~55 catches for ~1100 yards and ~13 TDs. Do you know how good those numbers are? WHY WOULD the coaches be looking to move Fuller around? He's been a beast right where he is at.

I don't understand this. Many teams move their star WRs around, why would that be stupid? For example watching the Bengals game, AJ Green sometimes lines up in the slot even though he is a protypical outside WR.

 

[Irish Insanity]

I don't understand this. Many teams move their star WRs around, why would that be stupid? For example watching the Bengals game, AJ Green sometimes lines up in the slot even though he is a protypical outside WR.

The next Percy Harvin.

 

[IrishinSyria]

The rule is obviously really stupid but IMO the hit was worthy of the penalty/ejection as the rule is written. It's a shitty rule because the "victim" almost always dips his head into the illegal contact but unfortunately that's how it is.

By the way, it's absolutely not a coincidence that we have so many more career-threatening serious leg/knee/ankle injuries with the targeting rules.

yeah, but big picture it's better to have serious leg/knee/ankle injuries than head injuries. Still, it's the repetitive minor head hits that happen every play in the trenches that does the real damage, not the odd huge hit. I think the penalty was right by the rule, and that the rule's borderline unworkable, but given what we're learning about head trauma the rule's necessary for the game's survival. If football can't be played without regularly causing traumatic brain injuries, maybe it just shouldn't be player.

 

[IrishinSyria]

I don't understand this. Many teams move their star WRs around, why would that be stupid? For example watching the Bengals game, AJ Green sometimes lines up in the slot even though he is a protypical outside WR.

Didn't get that either. It's really really common for teams to move around their top WRs. If I remember right, we used to put Floyd in the slot every now and then.

That being said, it doesn't mean Kelly has to move Fuller, who is borderline useless catching in traffic anyway. But it's not a crazy or stupid idea.

 

[pkt77242]

Didn't get that either. It's really really common for teams to move around their top WRs. If I remember right, we used to put Floyd in the slot every now and then.

That being said, it doesn't mean Kelly has to move Fuller, who is borderline useless catching in traffic anyway. But it's not a crazy or stupid idea.

Agreed. Though I love the idea of Fuller running a drag route occasionally.

 

[kmoose]

I don't understand this. Many teams move their star WRs around, why would that be stupid? For example watching the Bengals game, AJ Green sometimes lines up in the slot even though he is a protypical outside WR.

If College football worked just like the NFL, ND would have won 5 of the last 10 NCs, and instead of the Stadium Crossroads Project, ND would be undertaking the Hannah and Friends Stadium Crossroads Project. And the centerpiece would be The Weis Athletic Complex at Notre Dame Stadium.

It's not stupid to move Fuller around. It's stupid to move Fuller around to try to create mismatches. NO team is going to cover Will Fuller with a LB, no matter where he lines up. They are going to assign a corner to cover him, even if he is lined up at Center.

It's also stupid to move Fuller around to try to generate more offense, when Fuller is tearing up the field as it is, and the running game is working well, and you are averaging ~36 points a game.

The idea of moving Fuller around is not necessarily stupid. It's the reasoning for moving him around that makes it stupid.

 

[mef811]

That's one quarter in a Big 12 game.

Big 12 has become a word for 'NoD'

 

[IrishinSyria]

It's tough for me to believe that College teams are better at identifying mismatches and adjusting to them than pro teams.

 

[mef811]

Agreed. Though I love the idea of Fuller running a drag route occasionally.

HUH? Screens to Fuller seem to work out in right coverage through traffic more than not.... Things that make ya go hmmmm..<iframe src="//giphy.com/embed/oKQW9bVVyalGg" width="480" height="331" frameBorder="0" class="giphy-embed" allowFullScreen></iframe><p><a href="http://giphy.com/gifs/reaction-oKQW9bVVyalGg">via GIPHY</a></p>

 

[pkt77242]

If College football worked just like the NFL, ND would have won 5 of the last 10 NCs, and instead of the Stadium Crossroads Project, ND would be undertaking the Hannah and Friends Stadium Crossroads Project. And the centerpiece would be The Weis Athletic Complex at Notre Dame Stadium.

It's not stupid to move Fuller around. It's stupid to move Fuller around to try to create mismatches. NO team is going to cover Will Fuller with a LB, no matter where he lines up. They are going to assign a corner to cover him, even if he is lined up at Center.

It's also stupid to move Fuller around to try to generate more offense, when Fuller is tearing up the field as it is, and the running game is working well, and you are averaging ~36 points a game.

The idea of moving Fuller around is not necessarily stupid. It's the reasoning for moving him around that makes it stupid.

First off, I just used AJ Green as an example. USC moves their WRs around all the time (Robert Woods was a great example of it and they do it with their current WRs as well). Also if they move Fuller to the slot sometimes he will end up against LB occasionally because shockingly teams do play zone and thus they he will more often be running through their areas then that of the corner on the outside. Also just because someone is having a very good/great year doesn't mean that they couldn't be having an even better year. That is just bad logic. There a a few games where he could have had more of an impact (Clemons and Temple are the most obvious).

 

[pkt77242]

HUH? Screens to Fuller seem to work out in right coverage through traffic more than not.... Things that make ya go hmmmm..<iframe src="//giphy.com/embed/oKQW9bVVyalGg" width="480" height="331" frameBorder="0" class="giphy-embed" allowFullScreen></iframe><p><a href="http://giphy.com/gifs/reaction-oKQW9bVVyalGg">via GIPHY</a></p>

I will be honest, I have no idea what point your post is trying to make. No fucking clue.

 

[kmoose]

First off, I just used AJ Green as an example. USC moves their WRs around all the time (Robert Woods was a great example of it and they do it with their current WRs as well). Also if they move Fuller to the slot sometimes he will end up against LB occasionally because shockingly teams do play zone and thus they he will more often be running through their areas then that of the corner on the outside. Also just because someone is having a very good/great year doesn't mean that they couldn't be having an even better year. That is just bad logic. There a a few games where he could have had more of an impact (Clemons and Temple are the most obvious).

*Shrugs* It's your opinion, you're entitled to it. But understand this........... Will Fuller will NEVER end up one on one with LB, unless someone else just flat falls down. Fuller is a guy you absolutely game plan against. I'll bet that every team we face(d) this season has a plan to keep a corner on Will Fuller. Even if it is zone + man....... I can't imagine a single team that would rather have a LB on Will Fuller than a Safety helping out as the corner leaves his zone to shadow Fuller.

 

[JughedJones]

We can beat any school not from Alabama.

It's a cliche' that we play to our opponents, but it's true. The only school I think we can't beat right now is Alabama.

We have a real shot against anyone else.

 

[Irish Insanity]

IIRC the initial 'move your star around post' was aimed as Prosise when he wasn't having a good game behind the line. Not Fuller. Also, I'm not sure Fuller is thick enough to move around. I just don't think his frame could handle it.

 

[Irish#1]

If College football worked just like the NFL, ND would have won 5 of the last 10 NCs, and instead of the Stadium Crossroads Project, ND would be undertaking the Hannah and Friends Stadium Crossroads Project. And the centerpiece would be The Weis Athletic Complex at Notre Dame Stadium.

It's not stupid to move Fuller around. It's stupid to move Fuller around to try to create mismatches. NO team is going to cover Will Fuller with a LB, no matter where he lines up. They are going to assign a corner to cover him, even if he is lined up at Center.

It's also stupid to move Fuller around to try to generate more offense, when Fuller is tearing up the field as it is, and the running game is working well, and you are averaging ~36 points a game.

The idea of moving Fuller around is not necessarily stupid. It's the reasoning for moving him around that makes it stupid.

I disagree. If he lines up outside and motions into the backfield, the defense is not going to bring a CB into the interior. Especially if you move someone out to the position Fuller came from. I don't disagree that Fuller is tearing it up at WR, but I could see them moving him around to get mismatches. Lou did it all the time with The Rocket.

 

[kmoose]

I disagree. If he lines up outside and motions into the backfield, the defense is not going to bring a CB into the interior. Especially if you move someone out to the position Fuller came from. I don't disagree that Fuller is tearing it up at WR, but I could see them moving him around to get mismatches. Lou did it all the time with The Rocket.

If it is just that easy, then don't you think this would happen on just about every play? I mean there is not a single LB in college football that could cover Will Fuller.

Lou had to do it with Rocket. What other receivers was anyone worried about on those teams? Not to mention that Lou only threw the ball about twice a season.

 

[phork]

We can beat any school not from Alabama.

It's a cliche' that we play to our opponents, but it's true. The only school I think we can't beat right now is Alabama.

We have a real shot against anyone else.

Man if only someone ws good enough to beat them...