State of the Recruiting Class - 2024

[ACamp1900]

Fill me in fellas, do we suck again? Cuz all the ignored accounts are filling up my screen. 🤣😂

Again??? When you truly become one with your fandom you come to realize it always sucks,… all the days

 

[PutuporShutup]

Georgia famously has won back to back NC's from having precisely 22 players.

You need a class on using sarcasm… pretty weak effort

 

[ACamp1900]

14-0 natty or close the whole school down

 

[PutuporShutup]

So you wore a football helmet at Wherever State, cool.

When you make statements like “11-1 or better or our new AD needs to make significant changes”, I find it mildly boorish at best. More specifically, it’s not the desire for 11-1 or better that’s outlandish. In fact, I agree that should be the goal.

It’s the ego trip on the latter half of your statement that can make just your average football enthusiast push back against the tough guy in knee pads that doesn’t heed his own name.

There’s teams that are set up to be very good and if they are not, barring major injury (hartman) or something unlucky it’s a sign that changes are needed. Great example was 2015… we were set up to be great but it was clear bvg had major issues by the end of the year and we were not as good as we should have been despite Malik injury. Changes should have been made then instead of during and after 2016 when we had an incredibly bad year. Jack and Kelly were extremely foolish and it cost us the next year too.

If we go say 9-3 this year with Hartman healthy all season. It just means freeman and his staff are not good enough coaches and 2 years is enough time to have figured that out. It would have to take incredible tough losses to the top teams only to not be super disappointed with our coaching staff after a 9-3 season this year. Even then changes are needed, maybe it’s minor.

If the coaching staff can’t win all or almost all their games this year, it sets nd up for a tough 2024 season if changes aren’t made, unless we strike gold again in the portal at qb. I’d expect a 2022 season again in 2024, and that’s not acceptable.

 

[FDNYIrish1]

What does that say about you when you’re annoyed with posters that have played the game at this level?

Too many are enamored by freeman. He did ok at best last year and isn’t doing that good recruiting lately. He got Hartman, unbelievable move that sets this team up to be really good. Only the coaching staff can hold this team back.

This will be the deepest, most talented team we field over the next 3 years. I said 11-1 or better before the 2015, 2018, 2021, and now 2023 season. So far I’m 2 for 3. This will be our best oline and dline for awhile(unless they get alt back… slim to no chance)

Hilarious that you’re annoyed with someone expecting a great season.

 

[NDRock]

14-0 natty or close the whole school down

Close it? Burn it to the F’ing ground.

 

[T-Boone]

We’re in the same aisle for different reasons though… with BK, it was sometimes lack of effort bordering on indifference. In the case of Freeman, it’s because ND won’t play NIL with high schoolers. Curious to see if this changes with Bevacqua

It was before my time but didn’t BK start out recruiting with high energy then just settled down on realising it was pointless. That seems to be happening with freeman.

 

[Blazers46]

It was before my time but didn’t BK start out recruiting with high energy then just settled down on realising it was pointless. That seems to be happening with freeman.

I have recruiting PTSD from Tee Shephard, Deontae Greenberry, Aaron Lynch, Eddie Vanderdoes, Ronald Darby, Isaiah McKenzie and many others. BK knows more and could probably write a book on how close he was to top 5 classes that fell apart.

 

[Irishdrunk]

Where are all the Suzy Sun Shiners that think Freeman walks on fucking water?? SIB, The Real Lynch, Lcaps??

No Freeman is a noob HC and 2024 will be Top 12 recruiting class like last year. No Gap Closing that’s for sure. Some geniuses were so glad Brian Kelly left…. “The players will run through brick walls for Freeman.” But didn’t beat Marshall or an abysmal Stanford for him that’s for sure. No Five Stars Freeman.

 

[T-Boone]

We should beat OSU this season. They have a lesser QB and Michigan beat them the last 2 years so I don’t think the head coach is much chop. If they don’t beat ‘em this year when will they?
Clemson away is more of an unknown and USC we’d be solid dogs.

 

[ColinKSU]

It was before my time but didn’t BK start out recruiting with high energy then just settled down on realising it was pointless. That seems to be happening with freeman.

It really is happening beat for beat all over again. It’s like, not even taking any longer than it did under Kelly.

 

[NumbersGuy0520]

We should beat OSU this season. They have a lesser QB and Michigan beat them the last 2 years so I don’t think the head coach is much chop. If they don’t beat ‘em this year when will they?

Sorry but I’m so incredibly tired of hearing this.

QB success is so highly correlated to WR play. Their QB will be one of the best in the country just by means of being able to throw to Marvin Harrison Jr, Fleming, and Egbuka.

OSU will be favored against us, and should be.

 

[T-Boone]

Sorry but I’m so incredibly tired of hearing this.

QB success is so highly correlated to WR play. Their QB will be one of the best in the country just by means of being able to throw to Marvin Harrison Jr, Fleming, and Egbuka.

OSU will be favored against us, and should be.

They had great WRs AND a great QB last year and Michigan beat them up and they also otherwise were not that good.
They also have a rookie o coach.

 

[Blazers46]

Sorry but I’m so incredibly tired of hearing this.

QB success is so highly correlated to WR play. Their QB will be one of the best in the country just by means of being able to throw to Marvin Harrison Jr, Fleming, and Egbuka.

OSU will be favored against us, and should be.

I feel like OSU historically comes out of the gate pretty soft. Which made them very beatable last year week 1, last season was our year and they failed to come out of the tunnel 2nd half.

 

[NumbersGuy0520]

OSU comes out of the gate slow? After playing us in week 1, they scored 44+ pts each of the next 7 weeks. So if starting slow is limited to week 1, then sure, they started slow. But we don’t play them week 1 this year.

Also, did you guys see the start of our season? Pot-kettle.

We can talk about the OSU loss to Michigan, but we can also talk about their impressive 1-pt loss to Georgia in the semis, and them completely dominating the rest of the year. The whole picture matters - it wasn’t all Stroud, they’ve just been a tier above us for the last decade.

I would love for you guys to be right - I just don’t see how any cfb fan could see the trajectories of the two teams over the last several years and come to the conclusion that “ND should beat OSU next year”.

Fingers crossed. Give me a few weeks and I’ll prob be drinking the Kool-Aid too haha.

 

[NDMatt91]

We should beat OSU this season. They have a lesser QB and Michigan beat them the last 2 years so I don’t think the head coach is much chop. If they don’t beat ‘em this year when will they?
Clemson away is more of an unknown and USC we’d be solid dogs.

I'm not sure if we "should" beat them. They have a better roster than we do.

 

[Irish4life]

It was before my time but didn’t BK start out recruiting with high energy then just settled down on realising it was pointless. That seems to be happening with freeman.

No, was never the case. BK was always used as the closer role while assistants did all the heavy lifting. Bob Diaco was a good recruiter, and a good DC at the time, and orchestrated a pretty significant turnaround for the ND defense. Also, Mike Denbrock was quite good at spotting receiver talent, and we had Alford on staff too. It was also ALWAYS stated that BK "had begun to do more" on the trail every couple years.

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

There’s teams that are set up to be very good and if they are not, barring major injury (hartman) or something unlucky it’s a sign that changes are needed. Great example was 2015… we were set up to be great but it was clear bvg had major issues by the end of the year and we were not as good as we should have been despite Malik injury. Changes should have been made then instead of during and after 2016 when we had an incredibly bad year. Jack and Kelly were extremely foolish and it cost us the next year too.

If we go say 9-3 this year with Hartman healthy all season. It just means freeman and his staff are not good enough coaches and 2 years is enough time to have figured that out. It would have to take incredible tough losses to the top teams only to not be super disappointed with our coaching staff after a 9-3 season this year. Even then changes are needed, maybe it’s minor.

If the coaching staff can’t win all or almost all their games this year, it sets nd up for a tough 2024 season if changes aren’t made, unless we strike gold again in the portal at qb. I’d expect a 2022 season again in 2024, and that’s not acceptable.

The problem this would create if Freeman goes say 10-3 and you can him is good luck finding somebody who wants to come here after watching the previous coach get fired after going 19-7 in his first two full years. Thats about a 73% winning percentage, or about the same as Bobby Bowden’s career winning %, and not far off from guys like Pop Warner, RC Slocum, Woody Hayes, Dan Devin, Phillip Fulmer, and dozens of other great coaches throughout history. It would be foolish and set the program back. We aren’t talking about a guy who has been a head coach 10 years with a record of above average results who you cN identify quickly is not the answer. We are talking about a young, charismatic guy with a ton of ambition and willingness to work for it.

He has proven to be a fast on the job learner, is talented as a coach, and while he may trip on his own dick a few times and learn some lessons the hard way, he is a guy who if you let him go now m, he will be killing it on somebody else’s sidelines in 5 years and everyone will be pissed and wondering how or why you let him go, reliving Urban Meyer all over again, just with a high character, great representative of your university.

Your opinion is extremely short sighted.

 

[Irish#1]

I'm not sure if we "should" beat them. They have a better roster than we do.

True, but when you have a better QB and the disparity in talent isn’t huge you have a good shot.

 

[Blazers46]

OSU comes out of the gate slow? After playing us in week 1, they scored 44+ pts each of the next 7 weeks. So if starting slow is limited to week 1, then sure, they started slow. But we don’t play them week 1 this year.

Also, did you guys see the start of our season? Pot-kettle.

We can talk about the OSU loss to Michigan, but we can also talk about their impressive 1-pt loss to Georgia in the semis, and them completely dominating the rest of the year. The whole picture matters - it wasn’t all Stroud, they’ve just been a tier above us for the last decade.

I would love for you guys to be right - I just don’t see how any cfb fan could see the trajectories of the two teams over the last several years and come to the conclusion that “ND should beat OSU next year”.

Fingers crossed. Give me a few weeks and I’ll prob be drinking the Kool-Aid too haha.

I think you are agreeing with me. The year before in game one against Minnesota it was a 31-24 game a good way into the 4th, then they lost to Oregon.

“Coming out of the gate” refers to the first game… the year before it was their first two they started slow.

I’m just saying last year was the time to pounce and they didn’t. In no way am I saying this is the year.

 

[PutuporShutup]

The problem this would create if Freeman goes say 10-3 and you can him is good luck finding somebody who wants to come here after watching the previous coach get fired after going 19-7 in his first two full years. Thats about a 73% winning percentage, or about the same as Bobby Bowden’s career winning %, and not far off from guys like Pop Warner, RC Slocum, Woody Hayes, Dan Devin, Phillip Fulmer, and dozens of other great coaches throughout history. It would be foolish and set the program back. We aren’t talking about a guy who has been a head coach 10 years with a record of above average results who you cN identify quickly is not the answer. We are talking about a young, charismatic guy with a ton of ambition and willingness to work for it.

He has proven to be a fast on the job learner, is talented as a coach, and while he may trip on his own dick a few times and learn some lessons the hard way, he is a guy who if you let him go now m, he will be killing it on somebody else’s sidelines in 5 years and everyone will be pissed and wondering how or why you let him go, reliving Urban Meyer all over again, just with a high character, great representative of your university.

Your opinion is extremely short sighted.

Ryan day can go 11-2 this year and get fired …. Standards

I expect nd and freeman to be really good this year and then recruiting to finally take off

 

[Crazy Balki]

Ryan day can go 11-2 this year and get fired …. Standards

I expect nd and freeman to be really good this year and then recruiting to finally take off

Ryan Day is in year 5. Freeman is in year 2.

It's not just about standards, it's about perspective.

Ohio State has won 10+ games every year except 2 in the past 20 years. They've also won 2 titles this millennium. So him losing 3 in a row to Michigan, with vastly more recruiting talent means it may be time for a change.

 

[Irishdrunk]

Ryan Day is in year 5. Freeman is in year 2.

It's not just about standards, it's about perspective.

Ohio State has won 10+ games every year except 2 in the past 20 years. They've also won 2 titles this millennium. So him losing 3 in a row to Michigan, with vastly more recruiting talent means it may be time for a change.

And if Freeman goes 10-2 he will get an interview. Brian Hartline is not assured the job.

 

[Blazers46]

Ryan day can go 11-2 this year and get fired …. Standards

I expect nd and freeman to be really good this year and then recruiting to finally take off

Luke Fickle boys!! Just hope he doesn’t have a buyout.

 

[Terry Jillery]

I have followed recruiting fairly heavily since the Weis era. This is about as close as I’ve ever been to just quitting or losing interest and just watching games instead. I’m just completely negative about recruiting nowadays. No hope really anymore.

 

[PutuporShutup]

Ryan Day is in year 5. Freeman is in year 2.

It's not just about standards, it's about perspective.

Ohio State has won 10+ games every year except 2 in the past 20 years. They've also won 2 titles this millennium. So him losing 3 in a row to Michigan, with vastly more recruiting talent means it may be time for a change.

And freeman turned a 10-2 team last year into 8-4

Nd is an 11-1 team this year with good coaching, 12-0 with great. 10-2 depending on how things play out would be a slight disappointment. Worse than that, issues.

The majority of osu fans don’t think day is good enough and are probably right. Many nd fans will know if freeman is good in 3-5 months.

I believe we’ll be 11-1 or better, we have to! I don’t see how nd is a better team than this year in 24/25. Schedule gets a little easier most likely so that should help the record.

 

[MacIrish75]

And if Freeman goes 10-2 he will get an interview. Brian Hartline is not assured the job.

They aren’t axeing Day to hire Freeman lol

 

[Irishdrunk]

And freeman turned a 10-2 team last year into 8-4

Nd is an 11-1 team this year with good coaching, 12-0 with great. 10-2 depending on how things play out would be a slight disappointment. Worse than that, issues.

The majority of osu fans don’t think day is good enough and are probably right. Many nd fans will know if freeman is good in 3-5 months.

I believe we’ll be 11-1 or better, we have to! I don’t see how nd is a better team than this year in 24/25. Schedule gets a little easier most likely so that should help the record.

We will not be favored in OSU, Clemson or USC games. 11-1 is crazy optimistic. If Freeman goes 11-1 recruiting will get easier. No doubt 8-4 didn't help the ND recruiting.

 

[Irishdrunk]

They aren’t axeing Day to hire Freeman lol

If you don't think these major institutions have massive pressure to hire African American Head Coaches you are wrong. If Freeman wins and goes 10-2 or better he will be very much in demand. OSU has the resources like an LSU to make an offer he can't refuse. He is a Buckeye. And ND doesn't spend like it should - we all know that.

 

[stpeteirish]

The problem this would create if Freeman goes say 10-3 and you can him is good luck finding somebody who wants to come here after watching the previous coach get fired after going 19-7 in his first two full years. Thats about a 73% winning percentage, or about the same as Bobby Bowden’s career winning %, and not far off from guys like Pop Warner, RC Slocum, Woody Hayes, Dan Devin, Phillip Fulmer, and dozens of other great coaches throughout history. It would be foolish and set the program back. We aren’t talking about a guy who has been a head coach 10 years with a record of above average results who you cN identify quickly is not the answer. We are talking about a young, charismatic guy with a ton of ambition and willingness to work for it.

He has proven to be a fast on the job learner, is talented as a coach, and while he may trip on his own dick a few times and learn some lessons the hard way, he is a guy who if you let him go now m, he will be killing it on somebody else’s sidelines in 5 years and everyone will be pissed and wondering how or why you let him go, reliving Urban Meyer all over again, just with a high character, great representative of your university.

Your opinion is extremely short sighted.

Don't take that asshole seriously he's trolling us