Stanford's Class --- WTF?

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Good for SoS, bad for recruiting. Stanford is the only other school that can legitimately claim to offer BCS-caliber football and an elite education. We really need to them to regress back to their pre-Harbaugh mean as soon as possible.

I don't know. I think this year is pretty good evidence that ND will be fine in recruiting if it is a desirable football program independent from everything else the university has to offer. I get what you're saying: if there is a kid that is truly seeking a great education and world class football, Stanford is the only other school that could possibly offer both. While I recognize that point, I still think there is enough to differentiate the two schools, and I think Notre Dame will always have an advantage in selling its football program to recruits as long as Stanford isn't appreciably better on the field at the time, as had been the case the last few years. If ND is at or near the top of the CFB world, Stanford also being good won't spoil our recruiting.
 

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The biggest difference is that the Stanford gameday experience will always be "meh". They still aren't selling out games when winning 10 games per year. Wait until they win 7 or 8 again.
 

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Good for SoS, bad for recruiting. Stanford is the only other school that can legitimately claim to offer BCS-caliber football and an elite education. We really need to them to regress back to their pre-Harbaugh mean as soon as possible.

I dont see Stanford declining anytime soon. Consider the possible sanctions against ORE; if ORE gets whacked, then there will be a giant sucking sound in recruiting on the west coast. What better position for a team like Stanford to step-up the program and start landing bigger better recruits that would have went to ORE. Some school(s) will need to fill that void, if it happens(sanctions).

And if ORE does go down, there needs to be another school on the west coast other than USC that can pull recruits; i'd hate to see USC get some recruits 'by default'.

i.e. DeAnthony Thomas
 

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I dont see Stanford declining anytime soon. Consider the possible sanctions against ORE; if ORE gets whacked, then there will be a giant sucking sound in recruiting on the west coast. What better position for a team like Stanford to step-up the program and start landing bigger better recruits that would have went to ORE. Some school(s) will need to fill that void, if it happens(sanctions).

And if ORE does go down, there needs to be another school on the west coast other than USC that can pull recruits; i'd hate to see USC get some recruits 'by default'.

i.e. DeAnthony Thomas

Stanford can maybe recruit 10-15% of the kids that Oregon takes. No joke. I know our standards are tough as is, but Stanford's are more difficult. I am pretty sure the mods on II said that ND could offer about 40-45% of the top 150 recruits and Stanford could only offer about 30% of them.
 

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Was wondering this the other day, and had nowhere to post it. Do guys think Stanford would have ended the year in the top 2 and played for the championship had they beaten Notre Dame? I think they would have been #1 to end the year. Wins over ND (assuming we would then finish 11-1) and 11-1 Oregon.

What if they didn't lose to Washington? Would the BCS Title game be a rematch?
 

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In most ways I genuinely admire Stanford as an educational institution, and marvel at their ability to keep athletes of elite qualities in school --- in fact I still am somewhat credulous at what really goes on there.

Meandering reason for last phrase: During the last decade or so of my tenure as a prof, both Stanford and the Ivy League were involved in what to me and many other academics nationwide were embarrassing academic practices of out-of-control grade-inflation [the theory seemed to be: if we admit elite students and they pay out the nose, they have "earned" B's or better just by that. It is then the students' job to take advantage of the outstanding professorship and not the professors' job to nitpick their performance. ] These philosophies resulted in MANY classes at the most famous schools were no grade lower than an "A" was given ever. The key thing then was to get accepted in the first place. If you had what it takes, then you could balance your own schedule and come out being at least as intelligent as you went in, and sounding smarter.

What does this have to do with Stanford football? If some echoes of that still go on [I'll bet a lot of vBucks on it], then Stanford still has a tough road finding the impressive brainy guys, but once in, their life load gets a great deal less. So the hard work would be the time-intensive and national-recruiting travel required to find the high IQers and classroom winners by the recruiting staff. This takes a lot of experience and savvy I'd think, and the right sort of personality to appeal to kids who are both exceptionally athletic and intelligent. [and their parents]. Rough-a$$ed ol' Jim Harbaugh had that ability, it would seem, along with his motivational and coaching skills. I believe that his loss is monstrous in many more ways than the obvious. I don't see how Stanford can stay at that height without his presence. A lot of this year's success was running off veteran hardnosed football leadership within the roster, I believe. Can this coach keep producing that?

So to what I hope for Stanford: Though I mostly admire them, I hope for mediocrity. It's fine that Troy is Burning, but better Irish recruiting doesn't need a Superelite Stanford right in the same state. I'm usually a nice guy... not when it comes to ND recruiting.
 

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Like someone said earlier, Oregon sanctions don't effect Stanford at all in the grand scheme of things. Washington on the other hand, look out.
 

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A loss at ND > a loss at home to TAMU. Plus I think Stanford has a better SOS to.
 
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I still worry about Stanford. Don't they lead for the top pro-QB Keller Chryst?
 

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A loss at ND > a loss at home to TAMU. Plus I think Stanford has a better SOS to.

Both are true. According to Sagarin's SOS rankings, Stanford 16th, Bama 35th, ND 27th.

Sucks for Stanford their other loss came during one of the crappy Thursday night games. I really hope we don't have to play in those in the future.
 

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Stanford is not going away. They won't be the perennial contender they've been recently but they will be a solid team year in and year out.
 
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