Should BVG Be Fired?

[Te'o4Heisman]

His defenses have broken a lot of records, just not the ones that win games, lol. I'm convinced he's not the answer and needs to go. However, I wouldn't do it right now. I'd wait until we sign this class first. I think it was Lax that first brought this name up but Dave Aranda is the name I'd really like to see us to after.

ND should hand Bud Foster or Chavis a blank check...no italics.

 

[phillyirish]

Though I wouldn't mind BVG leaving, I dont think he deserves to be fired. ~37 in total D isn't hotseat material to me, and not to far off from Diaco's second year.

I understand some of the complaints about complexity and such but some arguments are way too overused and have no basis.

Nyles Morgan??? So freaggin what. He's only a sophmore. Plus how often do elite recruits not pan out? Its too early to say for him, but it happens.

 

[nd1989]

Though I wouldn't mind BVG leaving, I dont think he deserves to be fired. ~37 in total D isn't hotseat material to me, and not to far off from Diaco's second year.

I understand some of the complaints about complexity and such but some arguments are way too overused and have no basis.

Nyles Morgan??? So freaggin what. He's only a sophmore. Plus how often do elite recruits not pan out? Its too early to say for him, but it happens.

Earlier I was agreeing with this. I too think its his fault, but the defense is better. I think he just needs to simplify his system.

The players are there, we just need to use them effectively

 

[NDgradstudent]

Does anybody think Bo Pelini would come?

 

[IrishinSyria]

Does anybody think Bo Pelini would come?

nope


e. Kelly would never be able to work with him, even if he were interested (which I almost guarantee you he isn't). Too many chiefs, etc...

 

[ulukinatme]

See I disagree that we don't have the players to do it. Jarron Jones, Cage, and Tillery could all play 3-4 NT. Rochell was recruited for it, so was Trumbetti, Romeo, Gace, Jaylon and just about everybody that plays on defense. They are all Diaco players.

I agree that at least some of those players could play the part, but remember that Tillery and Cage weren't here when Diaco was in charge, Cage was a late pickup that we weren't even interested in while Diaco was here. Jarron also hadn't yet proven his worth, he emerged after Diaco's departure. Grace has been injured, and Trumbetti would be a linebacker in Diaco's system. Rochell would still work as a DE, and Jaylon is Jaylon. Romeo is a little light for 3-4 DE, but he would probably be fine. Remember when we had 30 CATs recruited and no NTs/MLBs under Diaco? That's a bad recipe for a 3-4. I can't imagine what we would have done in 2014 at DT if Jarron hadn't got his stuff together and Cage wasn't recruited. I'm just saying the grass isn't always greener. I think Diaco saw the writing on the wall roster-wise heading into 2014 and decided UConn was as good as any head coaching position. BVG's defenses have looked decent in September. I'm just saying he deserves at least another (hopefully healthy) year so he gets a fair shake. People wanted Diaco run out of town at one point too.

 

[Irish#1]

Maybe I wasn't clear. It is BVGs fault, it's his scheme doesn't work in college. Maybe he can change the scheme.

I wouldn't be surprised if BK tells him he needs to simplify the defense.

While Morgan made some plays last year, there were many times he took himself out of plays almost immediately. Even so, I was surprised we didn't see some backups get a little more playing time just for the experience.

 

[Cackalacky]

I wouldn't be surprised if BK tells him he needs to simplify the defense.

While Morgan made some plays last year, there were many times he took himself out of plays almost immediately. Even so, I was surprised we didn't see some backups get a little more playing time just for the experience.

Not sure that is all on Morgan though. How many times did you see Joe lined up at MLB then vacate the middle of the field trying to race over to the slot receiver and that followed quickly by an opposing receiver run into his vacated spot for an easy catch because a DL is playing zone and responsible for the WR entering the zone? I saw it at least seven times against OSU, probably 15 times against Stanford and too many other times the rest of the season.

If I was gameplanning BVG, I would identify if Joe was in man then make him vacate the middle of the field and then put another reciever's route in the space he vacated. Then run up the gut three times for 4+ yards. Rinse repeat. Game over.

 

[nd1989]

Not sure that is all on Morgan though. How many times did you see Joe lined up at MLB then vacate the middle of the field trying to race over to the slot receiver and that followed quickly by an opposing receiver run into his vacated spot for an easy catch because a DL is playing zone and responsible for the WR entering the zone? I saw it at least seven times against OSU, probably 15 times against Stanford and too many other times the rest of the season.

If I was gameplanning BVG, I would identify if Joe was in man then make him vacate the middle of the field and then put another reciever's route in the space he vacated. Then run up the gut three times for 4+ yards. Rinse repeat. Game over.

Hate to say it, but it is almost this simple. I saw it too. And it doesn't need to be like this either.

 

[Luckylucci]

I agree that at least some of those players could play the part, but remember that Tillery and Cage weren't here when Diaco was in charge, Cage was a late pickup that we weren't even interested in while Diaco was here. Jarron also hadn't yet proven his worth, he emerged after Diaco's departure. Grace has been injured, and Trumbetti would be a linebacker in Diaco's system. Rochell would still work as a DE, and Jaylon is Jaylon. Romeo is a little light for 3-4 DE, but he would probably be fine. Remember when we had 30 CATs recruited and no NTs/MLBs under Diaco? That's a bad recipe for a 3-4. I can't imagine what we would have done in 2014 at DT if Jarron hadn't got his stuff together and Cage wasn't recruited. I'm just saying the grass isn't always greener. I think Diaco saw the writing on the wall roster-wise heading into 2014 and decided UConn was as good as any head coaching position. BVG's defenses have looked decent in September. I'm just saying he deserves at least another (hopefully healthy) year so he gets a fair shake. People wanted Diaco run out of town at one point too.

So 2 guys werent and the rest were but that won't work, count me as puzzled. Not to mention Cage is very good at the point of contact but doesn't generate much pass rush. He's an ideal NT. Tillery, much like Tuitt, would probably thrive as a 5T. Roster is perfectly recruited for it.

 

[IrishinSyria]

So 2 guys werent and the rest were but that won't work, count me as puzzled. Not to mention Cage is very good at the point of contact but doesn't generate much pass rush. He's an ideal NT. Tillery, much like Tuitt, would probably thrive as a 5T. Roster is perfectly recruited for it.

This may be true today, but as a rule of thumb it's absolutely true that ND struggles to recruit quality nose tackles year in and year out. We're talking about building a program, not fitting our defensive scheme to the people we happen to have this year.

 

[NDWorld247]

Speaking of NTs, anyone catch Mokwuah struggling to jog on/off the field during the telecast? They showed him jogging on when the team was introduced and then he appeared behind BK while he was doing his interview at halftime. It was painful to watch.

 

[ulukinatme]

So 2 guys werent and the rest were but that won't work, count me as puzzled. Not to mention Cage is very good at the point of contact but doesn't generate much pass rush. He's an ideal NT. Tillery, much like Tuitt, would probably thrive as a 5T. Roster is perfectly recruited for it.

Yeah, Cage probably would have worked just fine as NT, but remember that Diaco wasn't even looking his way. We picked him up once Diaco left, so if Diaco was still on staff Cage wouldn't be here. Also, Jarron was out the entire year, so you could have counted him out. Who would have played NT? Mokwuah? Maybe some snaps. 3-4 all starts with the NT. If you don't have a very goot NT it isn't an effective defense, it all starts with that position. After NT it's the middle LB. Given the fact we were forced to start Joe as MLB and I think Diaco wouldn't have fared much better with our defensive injuries this season. Part of the reason Joe had to start was a lack of middle linebacker recruiting under Diaco to start with.

I'm not trying to argue player by player situations here, just making the point that Diaco wouldn't have fared much better under the injuries this season. To give BVG the boot without at least one healthy year to evaluate him wouldn't be prudent. Our defenses have looked decent in September when we're healthy, it's when the injuries mount that we've looked bad.

 

[philipm31]

Then why does he continually drop Okwara and Rochelle into coverage with antiquated zone blitzes? Why does he continually blitz JS who can't get there? HE DOES NOT ADJUST HIS SCHEME FOR ANY REASON OR PUTTHESE KIDS IN POSITION TO SUCCEED. they would have been better off sitting in cover 2 and 3 and man blitzing when appropriate.

REPS.

~mic drop!~

 

[philipm31]

How is that all not BVG's fault? Those are all his responsibilities.

Absolutely.

How ANYONE can not see that is MIND-BOGGLING.

His defensive philosophy will NOT work at ND. He needs to finally realize that and retool his outlook, but since we know he won't....

 

[Corry]

For me, unless something changes in the way ND pays its assistants I just don't see the point in a change. Would I love to see Kelly go after a big name sure. But let's take Mel Tucker, a former DC in the NFL, he's now the DB coach at Bama. He's making 500 grand a year. I have no idea how much BVG makes but I'd guess in the 750 range. Would Mel leave for that? No clue. But top flight DC's are making well over a million a year now a days.


SEC dominates list of highest-paid assistant coaches

 

[kmoose]

I have no idea how much BVG makes.....

....but ND needs to change the way it pays assistant coaches.

There's a lot of desperate thinking going on, that is probably normal after such a disappointing loss.

 

[Grahambo]

For all the Trumbetti love:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Yes, DE Andrew Trumbetti flashed, making 2 TFLs against Buckeyes. But he finished with a team-low -4.5 rating, most coming from bad run D.</p>— Keith Arnold (@KeithArnold) <a href="https://twitter.com/KeithArnold/status/683403879975751681">January 2, 2016</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[kmoose]

For all the Trumbetti love:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Yes, DE Andrew Trumbetti flashed, making 2 TFLs against Buckeyes. But he finished with a team-low -4.5 rating, most coming from bad run D.</p>— Keith Arnold (@KeithArnold) <a href="https://twitter.com/KeithArnold/status/683403879975751681">January 2, 2016</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Further proof that VanGorder needs to go. He had all season to get Trumbetti ready to play this game.

 

[Grahambo]

Further proof that VanGorder needs to go. He had all season to get Trumbetti ready to play this game.

haha.

Sophomore slump I would presume. It's more of just a reality check and how much further someone has to go to become an all-around great player.

Does he qualify as one to watch next season as a breakout candidate?

 

[kmoose]

haha.

Sophomore slump I would presume. It's more of just a reality check and how much further someone has to go to become an all-around great player.

Does he qualify as one to watch next season as a breakout candidate?

I think he will do very well, yes. But as for a breakout year? I think one of the LBs is going to be the biggest (positive) surprise of next year. The law of averages says that ONE of these guys has to pan out as a pretty good football player.

 

[Irish YJ]

For me, unless something changes in the way ND pays its assistants I just don't see the point in a change. Would I love to see Kelly go after a big name sure. But let's take Mel Tucker, a former DC in the NFL, he's now the DB coach at Bama. He's making 500 grand a year. I have no idea how much BVG makes but I'd guess in the 750 range. Would Mel leave for that? No clue. But top flight DC's are making well over a million a year now a days.


SEC dominates list of highest-paid assistant coaches

Perhaps we can afford a little more now that Jabba is off the payroll

 

[GATTACA!]

Perhaps we can afford a little more now that Jabba is off the payroll

 

[IrishLion]

Further proof that VanGorder needs to go. He had all season to get Trumbetti ready to play this game.

He was best on third down... which is what I said in my argument. No reason not to get him on the field in more third down situations, especially if you're going to drop lineman into [ineffective] coverage, I feel like he's the one you'd want.

 

[DCirishfan]

There was a time when you would be bannated For that.

 

[OlympiaIrishFan]

I guess I can't hate Weis like a lot of people----He did bring in the guy who won the most trophies in the history of football (and a 2nd place in the heisman) in Manti Te'o.

Sorry, that alone was pretty dang good. And Golden Tate.


he wasn't all bad. The mistake was giving him the big contract.

 

[loomis41973]

There was a time when you would be bannated For that.

Still should be. Total lack of class.

 

[GATTACA!]

Still should be. Total lack of class.

 

[GoldenDomer]

Still should be. Total lack of class.

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[condoms SUCk]

For those of you who vote undecided what will make up your mind? Another whole season? Possible replacements that become available?

My reasons-
1). Who are we going to get??? I really wanted B.C.'s d-cord but UM took him
2). I tend to be in the 3 year camp.
3) Injures have ravaged the D the past two seasons, you can only coach up to an extent. I.e. you can't expect a 3* level player to be able to replace a 5* level player and not expect to see a production/performance drop off.
4). The DB play I tend to place the blame on Coach Todd Lyght, not BVG as much.

If I were BK, in order for BVG to stay I would want to see a completely new or heavily altered defensive scheme for next year. If he can't produce my request then I think it's best we part ways.