Sept 8 | Ball State

[irish o'phile]

So, 3 losses sound about right? It's hard to te from the last 2 weeks.

 

[Irishman77]

Kizer's accountant is holding for you on line one.

Love Kizer! He could be great with proper development now.

 

[NDBoiler]

I am guessing that his point is that their kid is better. lol

I thought he was implying that as a knock against playing Book. Sorry if I misunderstood.

 

[SouthernIndianaNDFan]

It's one freakin game! R-E-L-A-X.....It matters, but only slightly. Who cares if they sleepwalk through Ball State? Now, if they CONSISTENTLY play like this, i.e. the next 2 weeks, then sound the alarm. Michigan played very good today, they look very solid...we beat them, and although the score didn't indicate that, we were very clearly the better team. Wake me up for the Stanford game, yall are gonna put me on blood pressure meds lol

 

[Irishnuke]

That anyone thinks Ian Book is the answer to our problems is funny

When your starting pitcher has a bad game, you go to the bullpen. Doesn’t matter if it’s Scherzer, Sale, or Kershaw. Sometimes people have shitty games and need to come out. Wimbush had one of those games. Book could have, and probably should have, come in for a series or two to give BW a break. Against a better opponent BW’s poor throws and turnovers could have easily cost us the game.

 

[NDBoiler]

It's one freakin game! R-E-L-A-X.....It matters, but only slightly. Who cares if they sleepwalk through Ball State? Now, if they CONSISTENTLY play like this, i.e. the next 2 weeks, then sound the alarm. Michigan played very good today, they look very solid...we beat them, and although the score didn't indicate that, we were very clearly the better team. Wake me up for the Stanford game, yall are gonna put me on blood pressure meds lol

I agree, it’s just frustrating because it seems little has changed from last year.

 

[Luckylucci]

When your starting pitcher has a bad game, you go to the bullpen. Doesn’t matter if it’s Scherzer, Sale, or Kershaw. Sometimes people have shitty games and need to come out. Wimbush had one of those games. Book could have, and probably should have, come in for a series or two to give BW a break. Against a better opponent BW’s poor throws and turnovers could have easily cost us the game.

So, if that is the philosophy is that the same for all positions? Because then we’d have been in a close game with A LOT of backups in.

This game was clearly called early like a Spring Game, on offense. They tried to work on things they thought they needed to. Wimbush was clearly not given the green light to run. And we ran zero first half designed QB runs. That obviously mattered.

On defense they were very conservative early and late, lending to those long drives by BSU

 

[GATTACA!]

Did you really type this and it made sense? So replacing guys that are missing blocks will have no impact on how Wimbush or this offense does? Man, that’s some Mensa stuff you’ve come up with.

You're either being intellectually dishonest on purpose, have no idea how football works, or are an idiot.

No replacing a lineman mid game is not going to improve your blocking. In most cases it would actually make your blocking much worse. Line play is predicated on reading assignments which require the whole line to have chemistry and know what the others are doing on the fly.

The point is irrelevant anyways because tons of issues with Wimbush were independent of the line play. His lolly pop interception was made from a clean pocket. His second int was on the move outside the pocket, zero to do with blocking. How many times did he run around like a chicken with his head off and take a sack instead of throwing the ball away? That's an issue you can fix immediately by replacing Wimbush.

 

[T-Boone]

Boykin & Alize Mack played well. Need Dexter back. They have to let Wimbush run.

 

[Irish YJ]

What are the odds BK talks about how hard it is to win in college football in the post game presser?

I can't find a channel for the post game... link?

Kizer's accountant is holding for you on line one.

Kizer not really a good example

Did you really type this and it made sense? So replacing guys that are missing blocks will have no impact on how Wimbush or this offense does? Man, that’s some Mensa stuff you’ve come up with.

Not saying bench everyone, but some guys should have got a time out / wake up. Hainsey looked hurt, and if so, should not have been playing against BSU..

So... Michigan is one point better than Ball St eh??

killing my gut thinking about the regression and shitty job getting the team ready...

Book is not the answer. This is on BK and the staff for not mentally preparing the team for a shoo in game like this.

this is 60% on BK, 20% on BW, and 20% on the line. They all get a D or F

Beer me, I need to grill something and just chill the rest of the day until the Stanford-USC game... maybe that game will give me some entertainment.

me too.. i feel like shotgunning several beers, but want to watch the rest of the evening/late games. so hard to step back from the edge... lol

Bleh. But Michigan blew out their opponent this week and I’d rather be us than them.

Always take 2 and 0 over 1 and 1!!! but I'd rather be 2-0 and not lose ground in the polls though..

Yep but this is year 9 of Kelly, and Wimbush is who he is. I've seen this same story over and over and would have been more surprised if we came out and throttled them. I had us going 9-4 before the year started and this is what a 9-4 Brian Kelly team does. Oh well.

After today, I'm giving up on BW improving his passing. I'm not giving up on BW.. We're going to live and die with a Tier 1 runner, and Tier 3 passer. And we will see Book when teams do what they did last year against us. Right now, I'm only praying for 50/50 ball luck like last game. Not adjusting my prediction yet, but big step back from last week. I thought BW improved against a stout D against scUM.. Our OL was not the only passing game problem so I can't push all the blame....

Gonna be another fun year lol

 

[ickythump1225]

I agree, it’s just frustrating because it seems little has changed from last year.

Or from any year really.

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

No doubt every team has down weeks but this is a constant with BKs teams.

I remember seeing Syracuse take it to Clemson last year but that was a shocking loss for the Tigers.

This is a familiar stench for Brian Kelly’s Notre Dame teams.. that’s a fact.

 

[ickythump1225]

It is amazing how in year 9 the same fundamental problems plague us as year 1, we just have better talent so we can paper over them a lot of the time. Yet the same sunshine pumpers here and in the ND world continually excuse make and carry water for BK. "Oh it's a lack of execution, it's the players fault." Yeah maybe if this game was aberration, but after 9 years with consistently the same problems and a roster that has rolled over twice I'd say it's BK's fault.

 

[ND88]

Kelly should come out and say in his postgame presser he is completely embarrassed by the terrible play today and if they are going to pull this shit again, he’ll switch out all the starters for backups... but he won’t.

Hats off to Ball St. Respect the heart and focus you played with.

 

[BGIF]

ND Wins 24 16

ND Wins 24 16

Matchup BSU ND

1st Downs	24	20
3rd efficiency	8-23	4-14
4th efficiency	3-3	1-2
Total Yards	349	416
Passing	180	297
Comp-Att	23-50	17-31
Yards/pass	3.6	9.6
Ints thrown	2	3
Rushing	169	119
Rushing Atts	47	40
Yards/rush	3.6	3.0
Penalties	3-10	2-20
Turnovers	2	3
Fumbles lost	0	0
Int/s thrown	2	3
Possession	34:22	25:38

 

[BGIF]

Final Ind Stats

Final Ind Stats

Notre Dame Passing

C/ATT	YDS	AVG	TD	INT
Brandon Wimbush	17/31	297	9.6	0	3
Phil Jurkovec	1/1	-9	-9.0	0	0
TEAM	17/31	297	9.6	0	3

Notre Dame Rushing

CAR	YDS	AVG	TD	LONG
Jafar Armstrong	13	66	5.1	1	42
Tony Jones Jr.	13	61	4.7	2	31
Avery Davis	2	1	0.5	0	2
Team	1	-2	-2.0	0	0
Jahmir Smith	2	-5	-2.5	0	0
Brandon Wimbush	11	-7	-0.6	0	9
Phil Jurkovec	1	-10	-10.0	0	0
TEAM	40	119	3.0	3	42

Notre Dame Receiving

REC	YDS	AVG	TD	LONG
Miles Boykin	6	119	19.8	0	26
Jafar Armstrong	3	61	20.3	0	27
Chris Finke	2	40	20.0	0	27
Chase Claypool	3	36	12.0	0	23
Alize Mack	2	23	11.5	0	18
Cole Kmet	1	18	18.0	0	18
Ian Book	1	-9	-9.0	0	0
TEAM	17	297	17.5	0	27

Ball State Passing

C/ATT	YDS	AVG	TD	INT
Riley Neal	23/50	180	3.6	1	2
TEAM	23/50	180	3.6	1	2

Ball State Rushing

CAR	YDS	AVG	TD	LONG
James Gilbert	19	72	3.8	0	13
Riley Neal	7	35	5.0	0	12
Caleb Huntley	12	31	2.6	0	6
Malik Dunner	5	23	4.6	0	12
Justin Hall	2	6	3.0	0	3
Danny Pinter	1	3	3.0	0	3
Team	1	-1	-1.0	0	0
TEAM	47	169	3.6	0	13

Ball State Receiving

REC	YDS	AVG	TD	LONG
Justin Hall	6	71	11.8	0	23
Riley Miller	6	51	8.5	0	12
Corey Lacanaria	5	45	9.0	0	18
James Gilbert	1	8	8.0	0	8
Nolan Givan	2	7	3.5	1	10
Caleb Huntley	2	1	0.5	0	3
Malik Dunner	1	-3	-3.0	0	0
TEAM	23	180	7.8	1	23

 

[anarin]

You're either being intellectually dishonest on purpose, have no idea how football works, or are an idiot.

No replacing a lineman mid game is not going to improve your blocking. In most cases it would actually make your blocking much worse. Line play is predicated on reading assignments which require the whole line tk have chemistry and know what the others are doing on the fly.

The point is irrelevant anyways because tons of issues with Wimbush were independent of the line play. His lolly pop interception was made from a clean pocket. His second in was on the move outside the pocket, zero to do with blocking. How many times did he run around like a chicken with his head off and take a sack instead of throwing the ball away? Thats an issue you can fox immediately by replacing Wimbush.

He just refuses to admit he's wrong. He'd rather stick with it and sink with the ship. I never knew this dude was this arrogant and this in love with himself.

Positive comment: thanks for recruiting stuff. 😉

 

[Luckylucci]

You're either being intellectually dishonest on purpose, have no idea how football works, or are an idiot.

No replacing a lineman mid game is not going to improve your blocking. In most cases it would actually make your blocking much worse. Line play is predicated on reading assignments which require the whole line tk have chemistry and know what the others are doing on the fly.

The point is irrelevant anyways because tons of issues with Wimbush were independent of the line play. His lolly pop interception was made from a clean pocket. His second in was on the move outside the pocket, zero to do with blocking. How many times did he run around like a chicken with his head off and take a sack instead of throwing the ball away? Thats an issue you can fox immediately by replacing Wimbush.

So, Kraemer not getting around fast enough to reach his pull block is irrelevant? No other player could do that? Liam not being able to sustain a one on one block for a called QB keeper, is irrelevant? No other player could do that? Sounds like the incompetence is with you my friend. You are clearly just not watching the entire game. You see a incomplete pass and blame Wimbush. So does my wife. There’s a lot more to it than that.

There was a lot wrong with today. Not just Wimbush, incompetence says blame the singular player because someone can’t pay attention to anything else.

 

[ulukinatme]

Well, that was fucking ugly. You don't throw three picks against Ball St. You don't take a player with big play ability over consistency, consistency wins out long term. I think Wimbush should cross train as RB and put Book out there.

 

[GATTACA!]

So, Kraemer not getting around fast enough to reach his pull block is irrelevant? No other player could do that? Liam not being able to sustain a one on one block for a called QB keeper, is irrelevant? No other player could do that? Sounds like the incompetence is with you my friend. You are clearly just not watching the entire game. You see a incomplete pass and blame Wimbush. So does my wife. There’s a lot more to it than that.

There was a lot wrong with today. Not just Wimbush, incompetence says blame the singular player because someone can’t pay attention to anything else.

Idiot it is.

I never blamed a single player. Lots of other lineman could do those things you've mentioned, the issue is you'd be opening a pandora's box of other issues due to you putting in a lineman with zero game reps with the rest of the line.

Replacing Wimbush is the only adjustment personnel wise you could reasonably make mid game that would have an immediate impact. Anyone with any football knowledge understands that.

Go on just keep ignoring the fact that Wimbush was making a shit ton of mistakes that had nothing to do with blocking.

Just keep digging.

 

[Irish YJ]

lol... take it to the post game thread.... or a room

 

[GATTACA!]

lol... take it to the post game thread.... or a room

 

[Irish YJ]

don't make me get deep state

 

[GATTACA!]

don't make me get deep state

 

[Irish YJ]

 

[Sea Turtle]

Well, that was fucking ugly. You don't throw three picks against Ball St. You don't take a player with big play ability over consistency, consistency wins out long term. I think Wimbush should cross train as RB and put Book out there.

Funny, an NFL scout suggested that same thing last year.

 

[greyhammer90]

I think its odd that everyone seems to take for granted that Book is better than Wimbush. I have a hard time forgetting the Book that was put in for Wimbush when he was struggling against Miami... and proceeded to throw the easiest interception for a touchdown that I've ever seen.

 

[Luckylucci]

I think its odd that everyone seems to take for granted that Book is better than Wimbush. I have a hard time forgetting the Book that was put in for Wimbush when he was struggling against Miami... and proceeded to throw the easiest interception for a touchdown that I've ever seen.

Exactly, Book has a TD to INT ratio of 1/1. Only had a 61% comp pct. and nothing close to the legs Wimbush has. Much smaller sample size but it’s not like that sample size blows you away as obvious.

But this is what the ND fanbase does. The backup is always better.

 

[Luckylucci]

With that said, I think Book can win games. And clearly Wimbush can as well.

 

[greyhammer90]

Exactly, Book has a TD to INT ratio of 1/1. Only had a 61% comp pct. and nothing close to the legs Wimbush has. Much smaller sample size but it’s not like that sample size blows you away as obvious.

But this is what the ND fanbase does. The backup is always better.

To be fair I think it's 2/1. One of those was a dime against LSU. One of those was just Boykin making the play of his life on a prayer throw that honestly was probably a questionable decision.