Sep 22 | Michigan

[STLDomer]

I assume u think Michigan is good though? Please describe, I'm being serious not trying to insult.

 

[ResidentMFan]

I assume u think Michigan is good though? Please describe, I'm being serious not trying to insult.

Yes, Michigan is a good team that has a great coaching staff.

Depth is a major concern along the OL and DL thanks to Rich Rodriguez' recruiting, but there is an influx of talent coming in at those positions in 2012.

As for 2012, the offense returns everybody but Molk, Hemingway, and Koger. I'd say Hemingway was the biggest loss of those guys, always thought Molk was sort of overrated and that Lewan was our best and most important lineman. Koger went undrafted, and Molk and Hemingway went in the 7th round. Not exactly like they were All-World talents. It's much tougher replacing 1st round picks than 7th round ones. Roy Roundtree lead the team in receiving in 2010, he should do so again in 2012. Fitzgerald Toussaint broke out in the last 7 games of the season and ran for over 1,000 yards. He is going to be the guy at RB and will help alleviate pressure for Denard Robinson. The starting 5 of the offensive line should be excellent, but depth is the concern.

The defense returns everybody but Mike Martin and Ryan Van Bergen. Martin was the biggest loss in my eyes for the entire team. He was a special player, Van Bergen was a decent player that was made to look better than he was because of who he was playing next to. I don't think it's a coincidence that he went undrafted. That is the biggest question mark, defensive tackle. Linebacker will be the strength of the defense with Jake Ryan and Desmond Morgan coming off excellent freshman seasons, and Kenny Demens a fifth year senior starting at MLB. The safeties will be very good, Thomas Gordon had a break out 2nd half of last year and will start at free safety, and Jordan Kovacs will start at strong safety, and he might be the best strong safety in the entire B1G. Blake Countess is coming off a strong freshman season and spring, and he'll start at CB, Fifth Year senior JT Floyd will start at the other corner spot. Junior Courtney Avery will play the nickel back once again.

This defensive coaching staff is legit. They took the same exact defensive players that were a laughing stock under Rich Rodriguez and took them from a joke to a top 25 statistical unit in only 1 season. They were the #17 total defense in the NCAA and the #6 scoring defense. The defense cut the points allowed per game in more than half from 35+ to slightly over 17. What they did in one season with largely the same pieces and mostly young players was remarkable. For instance, last year Jake Ryan, Desmond Morgan, and Blake Countess all started just about every game and were freshman. Frank Clark and Brennen Beyer played in almost every game at DE and were freshman. Thomas Gordon wound up winning the free safety spot and he was only a sophomore.

This isn't going to be a 6-6 team, like you all are hoping.

And to compare Hoke to Weis like all of you on here do is utterly ridiculous at worst and absolutely hysterical at best. Brady Hoke is an actual college football head coach, and he knows how to coach defense and he knows how to hire a staff that is defensive minded.

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

Don't really care if I've "lost respect"...it's an internet message board. Seriously, you people take this stuff way too seriously.

I was just posting my honest opinions about Notre Dame in 2012, and then people have to act like little girls. It's cool, I see how it is here.

And for the record, we did not do the same thing with Denard/Devin last year. Devin got on the field at the same time as Denard for a few trick plays, and when he played for long stretches in games- like the Northwestern and Illinois games for instance, it was ONLY because Robinson got banged up during the course of the game. Michigan knows exactly who the starting QB is in 2012....Denard Robinson. Do you know beyond a shadow of a doubt who will be the starting QB for ND in 2012? Didn't think so.

Notre Dame should be a decent team, but please let's quit acting like they will be world beaters and light years better than 2011. That defense isn't anything to write home about and they lost the most talented player in their front 7 in Aaron Lynch, and the defensive backfield just might be the worst in all of college football.

It's overstatements like this that make it difficult to take your arguments seriously. There is no doubt the CB position is thin and inexperienced but "the worst in college football"? Just based on athleticism alone, you're wrong.

Lynch is a big loss but Tuitt, KLM, Nix, Kona, Day and Hounshell is arguably, after Alabama, the best DL rotation UM will face all year.

The QB question comes around for every team every few years. Kelly and Martin will have one of Golson/Hendrix ready to compete and either one will be twice as dynamic as Rees..

It will be an exciting game to watch.

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

Yes, Michigan is a good team that has a great coaching staff.

Depth is a major concern along the OL and DL thanks to Rich Rodriguez' recruiting, but there is an influx of talent coming in at those positions in 2012.

As for 2012, the offense returns everybody but Molk, Hemingway, and Koger. I'd say Hemingway was the biggest loss of those guys, always thought Molk was sort of overrated and that Lewan was our best and most important lineman. Koger went undrafted, and Molk and Hemingway went in the 7th round. Not exactly like they were All-World talents. It's much tougher replacing 1st round picks than 7th round ones. Roy Roundtree lead the team in receiving in 2010, he should do so again in 2012. Fitzgerald Toussaint broke out in the last 7 games of the season and ran for over 1,000 yards. He is going to be the guy at RB and will help alleviate pressure for Denard Robinson. The starting 5 of the offensive line should be excellent, but depth is the concern.

The defense returns everybody but Mike Martin and Ryan Van Bergen. Martin was the biggest loss in my eyes for the entire team. He was a special player, Van Bergen was a decent player that was made to look better than he was because of who he was playing next to. I don't think it's a coincidence that he went undrafted. That is the biggest question mark, defensive tackle. Linebacker will be the strength of the defense with Jake Ryan and Desmond Morgan coming off excellent freshman seasons, and Kenny Demens a fifth year senior starting at MLB. The safeties will be very good, Thomas Gordon had a break out 2nd half of last year and will start at free safety, and Jordan Kovacs will start at strong safety, and he might be the best strong safety in the entire B1G. Blake Countess is coming off a strong freshman season and spring, and he'll start at CB, Fifth Year senior JT Floyd will start at the other corner spot. Junior Courtney Avery will play the nickel back once again.

This defensive coaching staff is legit. They took the same exact defensive players that were a laughing stock under Rich Rodriguez and took them from a joke to a top 25 statistical unit in only 1 season. They were the #17 total defense in the NCAA and the #6 scoring defense. The defense cut the points allowed per game in more than half from 35+ to slightly over 17. What they did in one season with largely the same pieces and mostly young players was remarkable. For instance, last year Jake Ryan, Desmond Morgan, and Blake Countess all started just about every game and were freshman. Frank Clark and Brennen Beyer played in almost every game at DE and were freshman. Thomas Gordon wound up winning the free safety spot and he's only a sophomore.

This isn't going to be a 6-6 team, like you all are hoping. Sorry to misinform you.

And to compare Hoke to Weis is utterly ridiculous. Brady Hoke is an actual college football head coach, and he knows how to coach defense and he knows how to hire a staff that is defensive minded.

At least you got one thing right.. ha

 

[ResidentMFan]

It's overstatements like this that make it difficult to take your arguments seriously. There is no doubt the CB position is thin and inexperienced but "the worst in college football"? Just based on athleticism alone, you're wrong.

Lynch is a big loss but Tuitt, KLM, Nix, Kona, Day and Hounshell is arguably, after Alabama, the best DL rotation UM will face all year.

The QB question comes around for every team every few years. Kelly and Martin will have one of Golson/Hendrix ready to compete and either one will be twice as dynamic as Rees..

It will be an exciting game to watch.

Ok...just based on athleticism alone, I am wrong? Ha, and you accuse me of making overstatements.

Sorry, you guys have like 3 or 4 CB's on scholarship...none of whom have ever seen a down, and couldn't beat out any of the very crappy CB's that started for ND last year.

Harrison Smith was the one play-maker you guys had in the secondary, and he's gone. Your safeties are about as good in coverage as your CB's....that defensive backfield will be woeful. Matta should be playing linebacker, he's not a safety, he cannot cover. How many times does he have to get burned before your coaches realize this?

Nebraska and Ohio State will both have better DL rotations than Notre Dame, hell Illinois might have a better one as well. IF Lynch was part of the rotation, than you'd have an argument, but he's not, so you don't.

 

[STLDomer]

So in summary:

QB: an exceptional athlete with a crappy arm
RB: a RB that will be overhyped because he ran all over the B1G
WR: average, no playmakers
TE: ?
OL: solid?
DL: crap
LB: solid
S: best part of team
CB: avg at best

 

[STLDomer]

Ok...just based on athleticism alone, I am wrong? Ha, and you accuse me of making overstatements.

Sorry, you guys have like 3 or 4 CB's on scholarship...none of whom have ever seen a down, and couldn't beat out any of the very crappy CB's that started for ND last year.

Harrison Smith was the one play-maker you guys had in the secondary, and he's gone. Your safeties are about as good in coverage as your CB's....that defensive backfield will be woeful. Matta should be playing linebacker, he's not a safety, he cannot cover. How many times does he have to get burned before your coaches realize this?

Nebraska and Ohio State will both have better DL rotations than Notre Dame, hell Illinois might have a better one as well. IF Lynch was part of the rotation, than you'd have an argument, but he's not, so you don't.

We have 5 CBs one of which is gonna be the best CB on the field come gameday and saw some snaps and another who played and most every game and had a pick six

Slaughter? Ever heard of him? Best, yes more than Te'o, playermaker in the FSU game and is just as good as Kovacs who I think is very good and have much respect for

Matta? I know a Motta. Can't take the opinion seriously if u dont know the players right

Your B1G bias needs some deflating

 

[phork]

You might not be 6-6, but I am counting 3 losses on your plate. And don't whine to us about schedules, we have the toughest by far this year.

 

[irishfan]

Teams are even. Winner goes 9-3, loser goes 8-4. I'll give us the slight edge due to home-field and because by our 4th game, our QB/CB situation should be all figured out. If this were the 1st or 2nd game of the year, I'd pick UM.

 

[ResidentMFan]

So in summary:

QB: an exceptional athlete with a crappy arm
RB: a RB that will be overhyped because he ran all over the B1G
WR: average, no playmakers
TE: ?
OL: solid?
DL: crap
LB: solid
S: best part of team
CB: avg at best

Spot on analysis. Not really though.

Gallon and Roundtree will suffice at WR, we are not a passing team. Denard will have to improve his accuracy and I believe he will. He was adapting to a brand new system and he should be much better in year 2 of that system.

The OL will be very strong at the tackles with Lewan and Schofield, and at center with Barnum, and at guard with Kalis and Omameh. Depth is a concern though.

TE's are only for blocking in this system, and Brandon Moore should do just find there seeing as he's 6-5, 260 pounds. Oh yeah, not to mention we are bringing in a 6-6, 275 pound TE in AJ Williams.

I'd say our CB's will be much better than average. JT Floyd had a very good junior season and shut down 1st round pick out of Illinois WR AJ Jenkins when he was on him. Countess was the player of the spring for Michigan this year and the kid had a heck of a freshman season. He will be a very good CB. Avery is as solid a nickelback and 3rd CB as I have seen at Michigan.

The safeties and LB unit will be very strong. Craig Roh and Frank Clark will be very strong at the ends. The main question mark there is defensive tackle.

Toussaint isn't over-hyped, he is every bit as good as he is being billed. You will find out first hand when he shreds your defense on September 22nd.

Keep thinking Michigan will suck though. Will just make it that much funnier when you guys are gasping for air and trying to find excuses when they beat you in South Bend for what will be a 4th game in a row.

 

[clashmore_mike]

Ok...just based on athleticism alone, I am wrong? Ha, and you accuse me of making overstatements.

Sorry, you guys have like 3 or 4 CB's on scholarship...none of whom have ever seen a down, and couldn't beat out any of the very crappy CB's that started for ND last year.

Harrison Smith was the one play-maker you guys had in the secondary, and he's gone. Your safeties are about as good in coverage as your CB's....that defensive backfield will be woeful. Matta should be playing linebacker, he's not a safety, he cannot cover. How many times does he have to get burned before your coaches realize this?

Nebraska and Ohio State will both have better DL rotations than Notre Dame, hell Illinois might have a better one as well. IF Lynch was part of the rotation, than you'd have an argument, but he's not, so you don't.

This post is comical. The entire thing.

 

[NDPhilly]

Cierre Wood > Touissaint

 

[ResidentMFan]

This post is comical. The entire thing.

I agree, your entire defensive backfield in 2012 is comical.

Notre Dame, returning to glory since 1989. Or 1990 is it?

Hey, maybe you guys will get to play Hawaii in a bowl game again and then finally get your 2nd bowl win in 20+ years.

 

[ResidentMFan]

Cierre Wood > Touissaint

Nah.

Both had the same amount of TD's, yet Toussaint had a higher YPC and less touches.

Wood had only 60 more rushing yards, but 31 more carries than Toussaint, both had the same amount of TD's. Toussaint's longest run was also longer by 10 yards.

Fitz > Paper Wood. I call him paper wood, because he goes down like a piece of paper on contact, he's as soft as toilet paper.

 

[clashmore_mike]

I agree, your entire defensive backfield in 2012 is comical.

Notre Dame, returning to glory since 1989. Or 1990 is it?

Hey, maybe you guys will get to play Hawaii in a bowl game again and then finally get your 2nd bowl win in 20+ years.

serious question. Are you mentally retarded?

 

[returnofthemack]

Yes, Michigan is a good team that has a great coaching staff.

Depth is a major concern along the OL and DL thanks to Rich Rodriguez' recruiting, but there is an influx of talent coming in at those positions in 2012.

As for 2012, the offense returns everybody but Molk, Hemingway, and Koger. I'd say Hemingway was the biggest loss of those guys, always thought Molk was sort of overrated and that Lewan was our best and most important lineman. Koger went undrafted, and Molk and Hemingway went in the 7th round. Not exactly like they were All-World talents. It's much tougher replacing 1st round picks than 7th round ones. Roy Roundtree lead the team in receiving in 2010, he should do so again in 2012. Fitzgerald Toussaint broke out in the last 7 games of the season and ran for over 1,000 yards. He is going to be the guy at RB and will help alleviate pressure for Denard Robinson. The starting 5 of the offensive line should be excellent, but depth is the concern.

The defense returns everybody but Mike Martin and Ryan Van Bergen. Martin was the biggest loss in my eyes for the entire team. He was a special player, Van Bergen was a decent player that was made to look better than he was because of who he was playing next to. I don't think it's a coincidence that he went undrafted. That is the biggest question mark, defensive tackle. Linebacker will be the strength of the defense with Jake Ryan and Desmond Morgan coming off excellent freshman seasons, and Kenny Demens a fifth year senior starting at MLB. The safeties will be very good, Thomas Gordon had a break out 2nd half of last year and will start at free safety, and Jordan Kovacs will start at strong safety, and he might be the best strong safety in the entire B1G. Blake Countess is coming off a strong freshman season and spring, and he'll start at CB, Fifth Year senior JT Floyd will start at the other corner spot. Junior Courtney Avery will play the nickel back once again.

This defensive coaching staff is legit. They took the same exact defensive players that were a laughing stock under Rich Rodriguez and took them from a joke to a top 25 statistical unit in only 1 season. They were the #17 total defense in the NCAA and the #6 scoring defense. The defense cut the points allowed per game in more than half from 35+ to slightly over 17. What they did in one season with largely the same pieces and mostly young players was remarkable. For instance, last year Jake Ryan, Desmond Morgan, and Blake Countess all started just about every game and were freshman. Frank Clark and Brennen Beyer played in almost every game at DE and were freshman. Thomas Gordon wound up winning the free safety spot and he was only a sophomore.

This isn't going to be a 6-6 team, like you all are hoping.

And to compare Hoke to Weis like all of you on here do is utterly ridiculous at worst and absolutely hysterical at best. Brady Hoke is an actual college football head coach, and he knows how to coach defense and he knows how to hire a staff that is defensive minded.

I have never said Hoke was a bad coach. I think he got insanely lucky last year, but I think he's better than Kelly. However, I find it ridiculous that so many of you insipid Walmart customers think this is an automatic win for you based on three close games. My Michigan friends (who actually went there, unlike you) and I share the opinion that those were classic games that could have easily turned out differently. Unfortunately, there's always dipshits like you to make me hate instead of respect Michigan.

 

[clashmore_mike]

Nah.

Both had the same amount of TD's, yet Toussaint had a higher YPC and less touches.

Wood had only 60 more rushing yards, but 31 more carries than Toussaint, both had the same amount of TD's. Toussaint's longest run was also longer by 10 yards.

Fitz > Paper Wood. I call him paper wood, because he goes down like a piece of paper on contact, he's as soft as toilet paper.

This post answers my question. Thanks.

 

[STLDomer]

Spot on analysis. Not really though.

Gallon and Roundtree will suffice at WR, we are not a passing team. Denard will have to improve his accuracy and I believe he will. He was adapting to a brand new system and he should be much better in year 2 of that system.

Average WRs as I said

The OL will be very strong at the tackles with Lewan and Schofield, and at center with Barnum, and at guard with Kalis and Omameh. Depth is a concern though.

strong as I said

TE's are only for blocking in this system, and Brandon Moore should do just find there seeing as he's 6-5, 260 pounds. Oh yeah, not to mention we are bringing in a 6-6, 275 pound TE in AJ Williams.

Little meaning as I alluded to

I'd say our CB's will be much better than average. JT Floyd had a very good junior season and shut down 1st round pick out of Illinois WR AJ Jenkins when he was on him. Countess was the player of the spring for Michigan this year and the kid had a heck of a freshman season. He will be a very good CB. Avery is as solid a nickelback and 3rd CB as I have seen at Michigan.

So B1G bias (Jenkins only caught long balls, which expains his stats) and a good spring? Our coaches say BJ is a first round talent so yeah

The safeties and LB unit will be very strong. Craig Roh and Frank Clark will be very strong at the ends. The main question mark there is defensive tackle.

Strong as I said

Toussaint isn't over-hyped, he is every bit as good as he is being billed. You will find out first hand when he shreds your defense on September 22nd.

Ha. U keep on saying how big a loss lynch was, he was a pass rusher, Tuitt was just as good last year overall and KLM and Nix are good And though they are not ready to start we have great depth at DLine also

Our linebackers are stout against the run to deny that is just dumb

Keep thinking Michigan will suck though. Will just make it that much funnier when you guys are gasping for air and trying to find excuses when they beat you in South Bend for what will be a 4th game in a row.

I don't think Michigan sucks, U are average and better than Sparty. congrats

To deny U guys Were lucky last year is illogical, U watch The TD Robinson picked up against us, the end of the OSU game, or the whole Sugar bowl?

 

[phork]

I agree, your entire defensive backfield in 2012 is comical.

Notre Dame, returning to glory since 1989. Or 1990 is it?

Hey, maybe you guys will get to play Hawaii in a bowl game again and then finally get your 2nd bowl win in 20+ years.

1993 actually. You guys are only 4 years off the pace so I wouldn't be ballyhooing your nonstinking **** just yet.

 

[returnofthemack]

I agree, your entire defensive backfield in 2012 is comical.

Notre Dame, returning to glory since 1989. Or 1990 is it?

Hey, maybe you guys will get to play Hawaii in a bowl game again and then finally get your 2nd bowl win in 20+ years.

Does somebody have to accompany you to Walmart since you can't count?

 

[returnofthemack]

serious question. Are you mentally retarded?

...wait. How is this a serious question?

 

[returnofthemack]

It's kind of funny how brainwashed he is. Unfortunately, that's how a lot of the white trash are brought up here in Michigan. Otherwise they just become MSU fans.

 

[returnofthemack]

This troll makes wolverine1997 look like a house elf. Back to your fluorescent **** and blue emblazoned box under the bridge with you, ye pox-ridden villain!

 

[phork]

The home must of dosed him with some Ativan. He is in dream land now.

 

[ndyeater]

Cant wait for this game....we HAVE to win this game!!

 

[rock_knutne]

LMFAO.......I just read that entire exchange with residentmfan..........what a dolt!

 

[anarin]

 

[grhtex]

residentmfan. Spot on every single post. Well done! You were not treated very kindly by most replies though. Very disappointed by that. Im looking forward to ND joining the big ten one day! Then you can have the chance to lose to USC or Oregon in the Rose Bowl like the rest of us have done most of the time over the years. Of course you haven't done so well with M, osu, Msu, (yes u beat em last year and kudos cause they were a good team) but I suspect wisc. Iowa and neb, penn st, won't be yearly push overs either. Come join us it will be fun!
peace to you restless ones!

 

[returnofthemack]

Wins, rather than penicillin, are what rids us of this particular brand of STDs. Until then, I think I'll force myself to use more self-restraint and just not click on this thread. Go Irish, Beat Wolverines.

 

[no.1IrishFan]

As I read through this thread, I laugh, and at the same time I'm also confused. I just don't understand what it is about some people that makes them go to a rivals message board and talk trash.

My life is busy enough that sometimes I find it hard to check in here, and I'm an ND fan. I have no need to go to a rivals board and talk nonsense. I will never understand why people do that. I guess it's just because we're irrelevant.