Rumored Violations

[pkt77242]

I almost feel bad for the new mods who have to deal with this shitstorm tonight.

 

[IrishFaninTX]

Yeah anyone saying meetings can't be moved around obviously isn't in the real working world yet. Things happen shit changes get used to it.

True but that's exactly it. These are students, not people working in the "real" world. They have classes that are already pre-scheduled and some may take night classes and/or have jobs. And so many are upset at how this delay is affecting the players but if they did cheat then they are not being mistreated in the least. It hasn't even been a week since the investigation concluded.

 

[Cali_domer]

Is this thread of the year material or what. These last 2500+ hundred post are unmatched in the annals of the internet(s). Am I right or am I RIGHT

 

[IrishLion]

I have great need of a new MacBook charger, so as I don't have to try and track this thread on my phone.

 

[Fbolt]

..

 

[GATTACA!]

I have great need of a new MacBook charger, so as I don't have to try and track this thread on my phone.

I had to replace mine recently too. Almost made me sick paying $70 on a charger!

 

[greyhammer90]

I had to replace mine recently too. Almost made me sick paying $70 on a charger!

Don't get an apple and you won't get nickel and dimed.

 

[autry_denson]

What's more "important" or "serious?"

A) A football player commits academic fraud by turning in a paper written by another student

B) 10 non-athletes engaged in academic fraud by hacking the Business school's online grading system to change their grades.


Which is the more serious problem for the University? Which is the more serious problem for a fan of the football team?

Hint...the answers are different.

you've missed the point. in each case, a process would occur to address the issue and that process would have to adhere to a set of important principles. the question is not which scenario is more serious or important, the question is which details of that process are important to maintaining those principles and which are not?

In the business school example, imagine (humor me) that there is a scenario like medical residencies, where hundreds of firms are making hiring decisions from business schools across the country and decisions are being made on 9/1. The university realizes that if they carry out their normal disciplinary process, which extends through 9/10, all of the business school class will be at a severe disadvantage b/c no firms know for sure whose grades are correct and whose are fraudulent. do they continue with the timeline of their disciplinary process, despite the fact that sticking with that timeline will potentially do major damage to the business school reputation and may damage the trajectories of a lot of students unnecessarily? Or do they tweak the timeline and push things forward so that the issue is resolved and clarity is generated before the hiring deadline, even though it involves tweaking the standard guidelines for the disciplinary process?

Many of you are arguing that every aspect of the process should be maintained, without revision, no matter the circumstances or consequences. My point is that there are circumstances where aspects of the process, like the timeline of meetings, can be altered--and common sense suggests should be altered--without any sacrifice to the underlying principles of the university or the disciplinary process. the inability to distinguish between important principles and unimportant rules of process can run ineffective institutions into the ground.

 

[Jackalope1977]

I almost feel bad for the new mods who have to deal with this shitstorm tonight.

Is this thread of the year material or what. These last 2500+ hundred post are unmatched in the annals of the internet(s). Am I right or am I RIGHT

Haha, you guys are both dead on.

 

[Irish8248]

Spot on, Autry.... Spot on. That's how the real world works.

Awesome that's how the real world works, but when did "real world" = "academia" .. Hell, half the education you learn in college is philosophical and theory based. How often does that shit apply to "real world"?

Another thing, sources are only as reliable as your gullibility allows them to be. I don't care if you're Jimmy, TP, some guy named Chiro; they're still random people who post on a message board. If you've been "burned" before by bad info then stop relying on this kind of info. Others can appreciate a break from the constant speculation while balancing the fluid situation of breaking news.

Its a Damn message board, take any information with a grain of salt. Fuck Michigan, fuck Michigan real hard

 

[IrishLion]

I had to replace mine recently too. Almost made me sick paying $70 on a charger!

I ordered one on Amazon for $20, but shipping is estimated between Sept 20 and October 20. Wtf.

 

[tussin]

Is this thread of the year material or what. These last 2500+ hundred post are unmatched in the annals of the internet(s). Am I right or am I RIGHT

Look what YOU created.

I suggest everyone take a timeout from this shitty thread and go visit the Michigan gameday thread. Let's talk football. This thread is currently total crap and is doing nothing to further productive discussion.

 

[Domina Nostra]

Yes, this is how it works when you have routine decisions to make. When you have major decisions to make that have a huge, public impact on the university, you alter the unimportant details of the process accordingly. I am on dozens of committees at my university. Without exception, when something serious comes up (and we're talking much less serious than a 'scandal' that makes national headlines), everyone finds a way to alter schedules in order to address it. This includes very large committees, and it includes very small committees. Some may not make it to a meeting, or may call in, whatever. But when a unique opportunity arises, a flexible organization does what it needs to do to take advantage of it. When a potential scandal or threat occurs, the same happens. It involves seeing what is important about bylaws and guidelines and seeing what is unimportant, and valuing the health of the institution without sacrificing the *important* principles that guide the institution.

Exactly, thanks.

 

[IrishFaninTX]

I never went to Our University

I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.


However, what have we heard from him in the past weeks that is true?

Nothing. He also told us Greg Bryant was Gonzo... Bullshit.


I'm done with his insight.

Dude you need to chill out. Lots of posters share information they have heard or seen posted on other boards. How many fucking rumors have been shared in this thread alone? You going to tell all of those posters to shut up too?

 

[IrishLion]

Don't get an apple and you won't get nickel and dimed.

I need the Mac. I look at far too much questionable material. The anti-virus capability is of great importance.*

*Cant decide how serious this actually is

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

Information war! The have and the have-nots. The have-nots come into battle with larger numbers. The haves arm themselves with superior communication and surveillance.

I want a good clean fight.

 

[BobD]

I almost feel bad for the new mods who have to deal with this shitstorm tonight.

Come to think of it, didn't this issue pop up around the time we got new mods? This whole mess could be their fault. What day did their modship take effect?

 

[gkIrish]

you've missed the point. in each case, a process would occur to address the issue and that process would have to adhere to a set of important principles. the question is not which scenario is more serious or important, the question is which details of that process are important to maintaining those principles and which are not?

In the business school example, imagine (humor me) that there is a scenario like medical residencies, where hundreds of firms are making hiring decisions from business schools across the country and decisions are being made on 9/1. The university realizes that if they carry out their normal disciplinary process, which extends through 9/10, all of the business school class will be at a severe disadvantage b/c no firms know for sure whose grades are correct and whose are fraudulent. do they continue with the timeline of their disciplinary process, despite the fact that sticking with that timeline will potentially do major damage to the business school reputation and may damage the trajectories of a lot of students unnecessarily? Or do they tweak the timeline and push things forward so that the issue is resolved and clarity is generated before the hiring deadline, even though it involves tweaking the standard guidelines for the disciplinary process?

Many of you are arguing that every aspect of the process should be maintained, without revision, no matter the circumstances or consequences. My point is that there are circumstances where aspects of the process, like the timeline of meetings, can be altered--and common sense suggests should be altered--without any sacrifice to the underlying principles of the university or the disciplinary process. the inability to distinguish between important principles and unimportant rules of process can run ineffective institutions into the ground.

See but you don't know the facts of what cases are in front of the council. What if the 10 non-athletes in my example are applying for prestigious fellowships that have a deadline on 9/5/14? And what if there case was pending prior to the football player case?

We have no idea what their caseload looks like. Everyone is assuming there's nothing serious on this council's plate but nobody knows shit.

 

[sharksamardzija8345]

I ordered one on Amazon for $20, but shipping is estimated between Sept 20 and October 20. Wtf.

PM me, I can send you one.

 

[Cackalacky]

Come to think of it, didn't this issue pop up around the time we got new mods? This whole mess could be their fault. What day did their modship take effect?

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

Ima go out on a limb here and say this is the most important issue on the council's to do list.

 

[IrishinTN]

I almost feel bad for the new mods who have to deal with this shitstorm tonight.

Meh, much like those ladies who posted their pics on the Internet only to have them hacked, they were aware of the risks. And if you want a crapstorm, just see what happens if thd Irish lose this week.

 

[greyhammer90]

See but you don't know the facts of what cases are in front of the council. What if the 10 non-athletes in my example are applying for prestigious fellowships that have a deadline on 9/5/14? And what if there case was pending prior to the football player case?

We have no idea what their caseload looks like. Everyone is assuming there's nothing serious on this council's plate but nobody knows shit.

Technically you're correct, but such a situation seems extremely unlikely at best.

 

[ginman]

I need the Mac. I look at far too much questionable material. The anti-virus capability is of great importance.*

*Cant decide how serious this actually is

This seems to be off the topic of whatever this thread is about. Can we get a mod to clean this up?

 

[Cackalacky]

A fantastically underrated film.

 

[greyhammer90]

This seems to be off the topic of whatever this thread is about. Can we get a mod to clean this up?

No. It's way beyond that. No updates today.

 

[irishog77]

This thread would be better with "Your Mom" jokes.

 

[gkIrish]

It just seems to me that a lot of you are unable to think about this objectively right now. I promise you I'm having a really difficult time staying objective myself with this fiasco. But think about how ridiculous it sounds that y'all are calling for a college kid to postpone his life to deal with an issue like this. Say there are 5 students that have to be present at the meeting that normally meets Thursdays.

Monday: Student 1 has to work his shift at Subway or he will risk losing his shift for the semester and also has a meeting prior to work with his mentee.
Tuesday: Student 2 has a dinner interview with KPMG. Skipping that will cost him a summer internship
Wednesday: Student 3 has a dress rehearsal for the school musical.

etc. etc.

How can it be appropriate to force this issue to be pushed up when these kids have actual serious shit to do with their lives?

 

[GATTACA!]

Don't get an apple and you won't get nickel and dimed.

Id rather get nickle and dimed the few times i have to replace a part instead of having to buy a new laptop every two years when Dells usually crap out. Also for art and design stuff there is no comparison to Apple.

PM me, I can send you one.

If he doesnt take you up on this offer im bookmarking this shit for the next time mine burns through its own cord.

 

[irishog77]

The biggest questions I now have are:

1) What was the national story that made headlines this summer, Jimmy?

2) What club were you president of, GK? It was NAMBLA, wasn't it? You were president of NAMBLA, right?