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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p>BK: As players you don't replace KeiVarae Russell. One of the best CB's at ND in some time</p>— Irish Sports Daily (@ISDUpdate) <a href="https://twitter.com/ISDUpdate/statuses/500687653139124224">August 16, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p>BK: ND has brought in the right young men and must continue to do a better job providing them resources. Never a 1 sided issue</p>— Irish Sports Daily (@ISDUpdate) <a href="https://twitter.com/ISDUpdate/statuses/500687475044782081">August 16, 2014</a></blockquote>
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AKA, help the fucking athletes out.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p>BK: Have depth at WR, but Daniels was an outstanding player</p>— Irish Sports Daily (@ISDUpdate) <a href="https://twitter.com/ISDUpdate/statuses/500687779500945408">August 16, 2014</a></blockquote>
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That was my reaction as well, but considering he allegedly hasn't spoken to them, how's he supposed to say they feel one way or another.

This. Can't jump to any conclusions based on that statement.

I'm not sure my car is still in the parking lot. Doesn't mean I think it's been stolen or that it isn't there anymore.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p>BK: ND kids have a resilience and want to play football at ND. Expects his players to be affected by it but they'll be stronger</p>— Irish Sports Daily (@ISDUpdate) <a href="https://twitter.com/ISDUpdate/statuses/500688706362408961">August 16, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p>BK: 4 players can eat with team, just can't practice and play in games, won't be in meetings. Can be in the Gug at anytime</p>— Irish Sports Daily (@ISDUpdate) <a href="https://twitter.com/ISDUpdate/statuses/500688830010511360">August 16, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p>BK: Have depth at WR, but Daniels was an outstanding player</p>— Irish Sports Daily (@ISDUpdate) <a href="https://twitter.com/ISDUpdate/statuses/500687779500945408">August 16, 2014</a></blockquote>
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It's sad that in an age of instant information that 99% of people still don't know the facts.

Facts:

Notre Dame broke this story... not an outside entity. That's integrity.

ND does not have ghost classes or rocks for jocks classes like many universities, one of which I attended and it is one of the most prestigious state institutions in the country.

Everybody is cheating - part 1. At some schools it is systemic. Athletes in need are "guided" into "approved classes / majors" where "tutors" "help" you with your every move. The level of "tutoring" the average football / basketball player receives is cheating. When someone is there to walk you through, step by step, the writing of a 10 page paper... they wrote it. I know, as a GA I helped many a player who had no business being at that school write papers. In the end, it was more my work than theirs.

Everybody is cheating - part 2. By my sophomore year, I did not take a test that I hadn't first contacted my Fraternity / Sorority connections in an attempt to receive that prof's past tests. The reason? EVERY student other than the athletes had access to those tests! (both schools I attended did not allow full ride athletes to join fraternities). In most schools, the general student body cheats everyday and if you are graded on a curve like I was, they are cheating the athletes....and then they have the nerve to be "appalled" when the athlete cheats to keep up. Hypocrites.

(No offense to IE members that do not have a college degree) but it makes me vomit to read uneducated to juco drop out hacks criticizing ND... or even the Alabama's of the world about cheating and program integrity. They have no idea what goes on in the general student population. College is FULL of cheaters.

Now lets look at the facts of who college football / basketball players are. The AVERAGE DI football / basketball player would not be admitted to the school they are attending had they not played that sport. I would guess it is probably lower than 33%...20% to be honest. Take myself for instance... I was a sub 1300 SAT as a high school Jr. back in the 80's. I was recruited by every Ivy League school, Rice, & Vandy. I would not have gotten into ANY of those schools with a 1280 SAT. Had I gone to Princeton, I would have STRUGGLED at best. Besides the fact that everybody in the school is smarter than me.... I was going to be at practice for 4-5 hours a day, too tired to study after practice and then miss 2 weeks of classes each season traveling for road games.

My point... the system is set up for the football / basketball to fail in almost every way. I applaud the work that most universities do in guiding student athletes through a minefield of academic obstacles and competition from the general student body... but especially the ND's Stanford's and Duke's of the world where big time athletics meets big time academics.

I am not a ND alum. I wish I was... and even approaching 50, I am always eyeing the continuing education graduate programs that ND offers. With some luck my child will be a freshman in South Bend in '22. I am proud of how ND conducts itself in all matters, this investigation included.


So let the haters keep hating... as one member wrote earlier, it just makes me a more loyal fan of the University. I couldn't agree more.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p>BK: Not the time to have a debate on his leadership or lack thereof. His focus is on his football team and getting this team ready</p>— Irish Sports Daily (@ISDUpdate) <a href="https://twitter.com/ISDUpdate/statuses/500689138283450368">August 16, 2014</a></blockquote>
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AKA, help the fucking athletes out.

The athletes already get a lot of help. Both officially and unofficially. It sounds to me like they just need to be smarter.

A friend of mine (recent graduate) said that apparently one of the players opened a presentation in class from an email and that raised suspicion from the professor. Whether any of that is true of not, who knows. But regardless of guilt, you need to be smart enough not to do stuff like that.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p>BK says he has not been questioned as part of investigation and he doesn't expect to be going forward.</p>— Anna Hickey (@AnnaHScout) <a href="https://twitter.com/AnnaHScout/statuses/500689435311480832">August 16, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p>BK: Vacating victories wouldn't change his mind on past seasons.</p>— Irish Sports Daily (@ISDUpdate) <a href="https://twitter.com/ISDUpdate/statuses/500689682704121857">August 16, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p>BK: Must create an environment where players know they cannot cut corners. Must hold players accountable, part of being a Head Coach.</p>— Irish Sports Daily (@ISDUpdate) <a href="https://twitter.com/ISDUpdate/statuses/500690549444472832">August 16, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p>Brian Kelly says he was informed no other players on the current team are under investigation as he understands it.</p>— Irish Illustrated (@NDatRivals) <a href="https://twitter.com/NDatRivals/statuses/500690632596537344">August 16, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p>Brian Kelly says he was informed no other players on the current team are under investigation as he understands it.</p>— Irish Illustrated (@NDatRivals) <a href="https://twitter.com/NDatRivals/statuses/500690632596537344">August 16, 2014</a></blockquote>
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It's sad that in an age of instant information that 99% of people still don't know the facts.

Facts:

Notre Dame broke this story... not an outside entity. That's integrity.

ND does not have ghost classes or rocks for jocks classes like many universities, one of which I attended and it is one of the most prestigious state institutions in the country.

Everybody is cheating - part 1. At some schools it is systemic. Athletes in need are "guided" into "approved classes / majors" where "tutors" "help" you with your every move. The level of "tutoring" the average football / basketball player receives is cheating. When someone is there to walk you through, step by step, the writing of a 10 page paper... they wrote it. I know, as a GA I helped many a player who had no business being at that school write papers. In the end, it was more my work than theirs.

Everybody is cheating - part 2. By my sophomore year, I did not take a test that I hadn't first contacted my Fraternity / Sorority connections in an attempt to receive that prof's past tests. The reason? EVERY student other than the athletes had access to those tests! (both schools I attended did not allow full ride athletes to join fraternities). In most schools, the general student body cheats everyday and if you are graded on a curve like I was, they are cheating the athletes....and then they have the nerve to be "appalled" when the athlete cheats to keep up. Hypocrites.

(No offense to IE members that do not have a college degree) but it makes me vomit to read uneducated to juco drop out hacks criticizing ND... or even the Alabama's of the world about cheating and program integrity. They have no idea what goes on in the general student population. College is FULL of cheaters.

Now lets look at the facts of who college football / basketball players are. The AVERAGE DI football / basketball player would not be admitted to the school they are attending had they not played that sport. I would guess it is probably lower than 33%...20% to be honest. Take myself for instance... I was a sub 1300 SAT as a high school Jr. back in the 80's. I was recruited by every Ivy League school, Rice, & Vandy. I would not have gotten into ANY of those schools with a 1280 SAT. Had I gone to Princeton, I would have STRUGGLED at best. Besides the fact that everybody in the school is smarter than me.... I was going to be at practice for 4-5 hours a day, too tired to study after practice and then miss 2 weeks of classes each season traveling for road games.

My point... the system is set up for the football / basketball to fail in almost every way. I applaud the work that most universities do in guiding student athletes through a minefield of academic obstacles and competition from the general student body... but especially the ND's Stanford's and Duke's of the world where big time athletics meets big time academics.

I am not a ND alum. I wish I was... and even approaching 50, I am always eyeing the continuing education graduate programs that ND offers. With some luck my child will be a freshman in South Bend in '22. I am proud of how ND conducts itself in all matters, this investigation included.


So let the haters keep hating... as one member wrote earlier, it just makes me a more loyal fan of the University. I couldn't agree more.

Well said, sir. Especially the bolded. Anyone who thinks 95% of students aren't constantly cheating has never been to college. Old tests, old answer keys, comparing homework answers, etc. etc. College is hard. ND is really hard. Many people wouldn't make it through without some "collaboration".

As for the "rocks for jocks" classes: ND has its "easy" classes that athletes get to pick first. They aren't classes where anyone is getting handed an A, but they definitely aren't higher level engineering or science classes. That being said, I was always hoping I could get into "Common Human Diseases" to ease the load of Chemical Engineering.
 

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This makes what, 14 freshmen and sophomores on the defensive two deep?

I'm buying now while the market is low!

This is going to make the 2016 Irish that much better.

We talk all the time that the '16 & '17 teams are going to be off the charts... this might be the event that seals a National Championship.

While the mourners at a normal funeral deal with despair... over at the Irish wake, we celebrate the wonders that is this life...
 
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The athletes already get a lot of help. Both officially and unofficially. It sounds to me like they just need to be smarter.



A friend of mine (recent graduate) said that apparently one of the players opened a presentation in class from an email and that raised suspicion from the professor. Whether any of that is true of not, who knows. But regardless of guilt, you need to be smart enough not to do stuff like that.


According to Bruce Feldman ND only has 3 academic aids, while most other programs have 12. Just saying...interpret that anyway you like
 

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I'm buying now while the market is low!

This going to make the 2016 Irish that much better.

We talk all the time that the '16 & '17 teams are going to be off the charts... this might be the event that seals a National Championship.

While the mourners at a normal funeral deal with despair... over at the Irish wake, we celebrate the wonders that is this life...

I see no reason to expect huge things next year given the experience the young guys will get this year. I do think 16 and 17 will be better so long as recruiting continues to be solid and we don't see additional crazy departures for things like this.
 

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According to Bruce Feldman ND only has 3 academic aids, while most other programs have 12. Just saying...interpret that anyway you like

This doesn't make any sense.

There must be more to that. Are people really going to say that ND doesn't provide the resources for academic achievement? If that's true, then everything's a lie, and I don't think it is.
 
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I don't think freshman being forced to play on the DL makes them any better for the year to follow.

Personally, I think they'd be better off RS in most cases and getting one year of weight training before playing.
 

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Well said, sir. Especially the bolded. Anyone who thinks 95% of students aren't constantly cheating has never been to college. Old tests, old answer keys, comparing homework answers, etc. etc. College is hard. ND is really hard. Many people wouldn't make it through without some "collaboration".

As for the "rocks for jocks" classes: ND has its "easy" classes that athletes get to pick first. They aren't classes where anyone is getting handed an A, but they definitely aren't higher level engineering or science classes. That being said, I was always hoping I could get into "Common Human Diseases" to ease the load of Chemical Engineering.

NDTH91...

As an ND alum, I don't think you know the level of "rocks for jocks" classes out there. I GUARANTEE the classes that ND students joke about on campus would shame some 99% of the built in A's at other institutions as well as pass off as 200-300 level classes at some state schools . For instance... I was instructed to take: College Studying for a 1hr 'A' my freshman year. The class was full of athletes and no one went. There were many classes like that at my first school... which once again is one of the top national state universities in the country per USN&WR.

Congratulations on your degree. Color me green. Make that greener as I sit here in my 1977 National Championship - Green Machine t-shirt. lol


* I didn't take the study hall class btw... which pissed off my asst. coach who was in charge of that.

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I don't think freshman being forced to play on the DL makes them any better for the year to follow.

Personally, I think they'd be better off RS in most cases and getting one year of weight training before playing.

Just because they are redshirting doesn't mean they get additional weight training during season. I'd rather they get meaningful reps in season than not. It is literally the best way to get better.
 
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NDTH91...

As an ND alum, I don't think you know the level of "rocks for jocks" classes out there. I GUARANTEE the classes that ND students joke about on campus would shame some 99% of the built in A's at other institutions as well as pass off as 200-300 level classes at some state schools . For instance... I was instructed to take: College Studying for a 1hr 'A' my freshman year. The class was full of athletes and no one went. There were many classes like that at my first school... which once again is one of the top national state universities in the country per USN&WR.

Congratulations on your degree. Color me green. Make that greener as I sit here in my 1977 National Championship - Green Machine t-shirt. lol


* I didn't take the study hall class btw... which pissed off my asst. coach who was in charge of that.

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No, I agree with you! Like I said, those classes aren't handing out A's like other schools (I even had a non-athlete friend that said Common Human Diseases was kinda hard haha). My point was just that ND athletes DO have the option of an easier path than most students at ND (not all athletes take that path... I graduated with a Kevin Carr, a backup lineman that majored in Chemical Engineering... wow).

But yes, I agree that ND's "easy" classes are still far above "easy" classes from other schools. I'm always stunned when I talk to friends that went to state school and hear their stories about "easy" classes.
 
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Just because they are redshirting doesn't mean they get additional weight training during season. I'd rather they get meaningful reps in season than not. It is literally the best way to get better.

I disagree with the lineman. IDK their exact weight routine, but when you know you're not playing Saturday, that let's you lift Thursday, Friday, hell even Saturday morning if you want. When you're playing, you don't lift those days.
 

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The athletes already get a lot of help. Both officially and unofficially. It sounds to me like they just need to be smarter.

A friend of mine (recent graduate) said that apparently one of the players opened a presentation in class from an email and that raised suspicion from the professor. Whether any of that is true of not, who knows. But regardless of guilt, you need to be smart enough not to do stuff like that.

@PhillipDaniels: Message to athletes: Never use the university email system even if you are doing things the right way! Don't be judged on incomplete facts!!

I wonder if that player was davaris?
 

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I don't think freshman being forced to play on the DL makes them any better for the year to follow.

Personally, I think they'd be better off RS in most cases and getting one year of weight training before playing.


In a way... the '11 team was 'forced' to play freshman as they were the best option. It worked out pretty good in '12 right?

I'm with you though, Id rather have them redshirt and hit the weights if that luxury is an option,
 
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@PhillipDaniels: Message to athletes: Never use the university email system even if you are doing things the right way! Don't be judged on incomplete facts!!

I wonder if that player was davaris?

Hmmm, I wonder?
 
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