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Where does Hughes fit with this years offense. I no way am I complaining because both AA and CW looked great on Saturday, but I was a bit surprise that he didn't see any action.

It could just be that he isn't the greatest fit for BK's offense or maybe he is just being outperformed in practice by these other guys.

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Doesn't fit.

Maybe maybe maybe in short yardage situations, but after the Purdue game I started feeling sorry for Hughes, he's going to be seeing about as much playing time for the Irish this year as Shaq Evans.
 

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hughes doesn't really fit this offence. he's a big bruiser and this is a speed offence. sorry because he's been ok for irish but doesn't fit at all.
 

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I think they should have ran Hughes in those couple situations where Crist try to do a keeper. Crist isn't just going to straight run 8 yds for a TD in my opinion. He'll be able to dive over the goal line from a yd out and maybe do bootlegs or a draw for yardage. But give the ball to Hughes near the goal line and pound it.
 

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I'll be happy to bow to you-guys' better knowledge, but to my untrained eye, last year Hughes ran remarkably NON-powerfully for such a big man. That is, the "logic" of a man that big being able to smash through goal-line traffic didn't seem to manifest itself in reality to me. If he is not a consistent road-grader of a back, the odds of him playing when you have Wood, Allen, and even Gray seem astronomical. I'd like one of you guys to correct me on my impression of Hughes, as I would like to think better of him as a functional player, and know that I'm probably way off on my assessment.
 

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Hughes just had those good games at the end of his Freshman year and a few Sophomore year that made me think he would develop into a beast of a back. It just didn't happen for some reason?
 

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Hughes just had those good games at the end of his Freshman year and a few Sophomore year that made me think he would develop into a beast of a back. It just didn't happen for some reason?

Those games were against terrible defenses. In fact, any game in which Hughes has looked good, it's always been against defenses that are below-average or worse.

I posted something over at Subway Domer after he reiterated that Hughes would have a big year and go onto be a decent player in the NFL, and I said basically, he's averaging something like 2.7 YPC against any top 60 defense he's faced over his first three years.

In contrast, Allen was something like 4.3 YPC against top 60 defenses and didn't have the benefit of racking up big numbers last year against Wazzu, Navy, Stanford, etc.

And I'll echo Old Man Mike's thoughts that Hughes really isn't much of a power back to begin with. He never really runs over people, he's always tried to dance around guys and he goes down WAY too easy for someone his size.

And yes, he just doesn't fit in this offense. At this point, I'd rather keep Allen or Gray in short yardage situations, because I've seen Hughes get stuffed one too many times. At least Allen or Gray will keep the defense on their toes if it's playaction.

I'd be surprised to see Hughes get even 10 carries this year, I really would. I thought he'd be a good fit as an H-back and I hope he fills that role if it happens. He could be a great blocker coming across, he'd be a nice weapon to throw the ball to in the flat and he could take a pitching up the middle once in a while too.
 

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Where does Hughes fit with this years offense. I no way am I complaining because both AA and CW looked great on Saturday, but I was a bit surprise that he didn't see any action.

It could just be that he isn't the greatest fit for BK's offense or maybe he is just being outperformed in practice by these other guys.

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Hughes on offense Filer on defense have been my favorites and I was hoping that both guys would have productive years. Filer can still contribute big but Robert in no way got beat out of a job- because the other backs do completly different things. I hope when they need Roberet Hughes yards that he is ready because I still think you must have plans for this guy and he should be a player on Sunday. Robert Hughes has been a Notre Dame man.
 

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Those games were against terrible defenses. In fact, any game in which Hughes has looked good, it's always been against defenses that are below-average or worse.

I posted something over at Subway Domer after he reiterated that Hughes would have a big year and go onto be a decent player in the NFL, and I said basically, he's averaging something like 2.7 YPC against any top 60 defense he's faced over his first three years.

In contrast, Allen was something like 4.3 YPC against top 60 defenses and didn't have the benefit of racking up big numbers last year against Wazzu, Navy, Stanford, etc.

And I'll echo Old Man Mike's thoughts that Hughes really isn't much of a power back to begin with. He never really runs over people, he's always tried to dance around guys and he goes down WAY too easy for someone his size.

And yes, he just doesn't fit in this offense. At this point, I'd rather keep Allen or Gray in short yardage situations, because I've seen Hughes get stuffed one too many times. At least Allen or Gray will keep the defense on their toes if it's playaction.

I'd be surprised to see Hughes get even 10 carries this year, I really would. I thought he'd be a good fit as an H-back and I hope he fills that role if it happens. He could be a great blocker coming across, he'd be a nice weapon to throw the ball to in the flat and he could take a pitching up the middle once in a while too.

I just thought it was tough to gauge anything from '07 and most of '08. ND's line was terrible and the whole offense really didn't do much against anybody but terrible defenses. I just figured once the line stabilized and started to compete against higher quality opponents Hughes would develop into a solid back as a junior and senior. But that hasn't happened.
 

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He fits in the same way he should have in years past... as a shortyardage blockking back.........
 

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His fit depends entirely on Hughes. If he plays the way he should (power back), he will be a short yardage/goal line back. If he reverts to twinkle toes than he wont play much
 

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His fit depends entirely on Hughes. If he plays the way he should (power back), he will be a short yardage/goal line back. If he reverts to twinkle toes than he wont play much

Normally I would agree with you, but everything I know about Kelly is he likes to keep it 4 or 5 wide in goal line/short yardage sets. I may be wrong, but if that is the case then AA or CW are still better fits than Hughes, even if he's running like a human bowling ball.
 

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I think BK is pretty fond of him. I would expect him to play a pretty serious role.
 

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Normally I would agree with you, but everything I know about Kelly is he likes to keep it 4 or 5 wide in goal line/short yardage sets. I may be wrong, but if that is the case then AA or CW are still better fits than Hughes, even if he's running like a human bowling ball.

true but there were at least 4 plays on saturday from under center. Also i just cant believe that on 4 and inches or 3 and goal with inches that he would still go 5 wide
 

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true but there were at least 4 plays on saturday from under center. Also i just cant believe that on 4 and inches or 3 and goal with inches that he would still go 5 wide

The only one I can remember from under center that didn't happen during dead-time was the safety. Again, I could be wrong, but if I'm not I don't think "kneel the ball back" is what Hughes was gunning for this year.
 

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Maybe next time we're on our own 1 yard line he'll use him as a fullback and not that god awful stretch play that got us our safety?
 

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Maybe next time we're on our own 1 yard line he'll use him as a fullback and not that god awful stretch play that got us our safety?

Or he'll stick to his guns and line us up in the shotgun. I'm not wild about the idea, but seriously: our first play under center all game came at our own 1 yard line. Its not that surprising that it was a catastrophe, reps matter.
 

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Or he'll stick to his guns and line us up in the shotgun. I'm not wild about the idea, but seriously: our first play under center all game came at our own 1 yard line. Its not that surprising that it was a catastrophe, reps matter.

That wasnt our first play under center. I could have sworn there was one in the second series. Now im gonna have to go watch the tape again. Thanks guys
 

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There was one under center near midfield sometime in the middle of the game.
 

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It sucks to see Hughes possibly left out of the action, but for that matter, same thing with Jonas. We follow these guys through recruiting and all, but they all can't excel. Hell, I thought Aldridge would be an All-American and he hardly played it seems.
 

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Hughes wasn't really that great. He is a goalline back and that's it. Funny part is that Hughes got tons of carries when AA went down when it should have been Jonas, Riddick, or Wood.
 

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I'm hoping Hughes can still be used as a change of pace back to give AA, CW or JG a breather. Ideally, he can be productive in short yardage situations. Or perhaps get clean-up duty to use up the clock late in games with sufficient leads.

However, I get the feeling that he just won't get that many touches.
 

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I'm hoping Hughes can still be used as a change of pace back to give AA, CW or JG a breather. Ideally, he can be productive in short yardage situations. Or perhaps get clean-up duty to use up the clock late in games with sufficient leads.

However, I get the feeling that he just won't get that many touches.

I think we'll see him against Armed forces teams, and maybe Utah. He can be a bruiser, and for smaller Defenses, he would just beat them down. That assumes he plays like a guy with something to prove...which I think he will...either way CW and AA are smaller backs...I still think they will need some games where they do less so they can recover...I think Hughes will see some time beyond mop up.
 

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I put the over under on his touches during the Michigan game at +/- 3.

Would love to see Jonas work his way into the mix, but I don't want to see AA or Cierre lose any touches either. Wouldn't be surprised if this is Cierre's coming-out party, much like Darius in '04.
 
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