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Yes it draws attention to the cause for ending police brutality in America. It already has created a strong push for body camson cops. "Public temper tantrum", like these are kids not getting a toy at a store. It's police killing unarmed people, kids. This isn't a temper tantrum. It's rightful, justified anger.

I'll respectfully disagree. For all the positive things it accomplishes, such as bringing attention to a situation, causing police to use body cams, examine policies, etc., I think the negatives from rioting, looting, civil disobedience and such cause a larger rift between the sides, cause negative opinions of those doing it instead of causing people to sympathize and take up their cause as just and right, and reinforces some of the negative stereotypes. In the end, MLK had the right idea for how to effect a positive change, not the rioters who resort to violence, looting, and the very clearly implied threat of "more violence if we don't get our way."
 
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Does such action help solve the problem or make things better for them? In other words, are they trying to do what they think will actually effect a positive change or just pitching a public temper tantrum?

Yeah those public temper tantrums during the 18th century were amazing.
 
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It is amazing to me that a self described comedian such as John Stewart is infinitely more prepared and knowledgable about affairs than George Stephanopolous, who was able to interview Wilson and never once challenged any of his inconsistencies in his story that he provided during that interview.
 
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Justifying his death is saying he deserved to die.

This is exactly why you are meeting so much resistance to your views here, and probably why no one pays any attention to you in your offline life either. You are completely making shit up to make others appear to be racist. I'm done discussing it with you, and I would suggest that everyone else let it go, too. Let him sit here and rant to himself.
 

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Interesting conversation with two coworkers yesterday. Both are from the St. Louis area and neither lived in close proximity to Ferguson while they lived there. One black, one white. I asked each about the Ferguson community and received two very different responses.

The black guy's response was that Ferguson had been a hot bed for police brutality, excessive force, over reaching in their dealings with the community, etc for years.

The white guy's response was that Ferguson is really a lower to lower middle class community that is overall a lot nicer place than the media has portrayed it. He said that he had never heard of very many issues in Ferguson involving police and the African American community.

Just thought it was a little odd that I received two very different responses from my coworkers.
 
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TULSA, Okla. (AP) - Pension board records show a Tulsa police officer accused of killing his daughter’s boyfriend retired from the force last month and collected a $162,000 pension in a lump-sum payment.

While state law would prevent officers convicted of felonies from collecting monthly payments, the state Police Pension and Retirement Board won’t be able to reclaim Shannon Kepler’s lump-sum payment if he is convicted, The Tulsa World reported Wednesday (Tulsa police officer awaiting trial on murder charge retires, seeks lump sum pension payout - Tulsa World: Homepage2 ).

“Our position is that we haven’t been able to do that. We are going by kind of the plain reading of the statutes,” said board executive director Steven Snyder.

The only way Kepler could receive a monthly pension would be if he was given a deferred sentence, the newspaper reported.

Kepler is accused of killing Jeremey Lake while off-duty last August as Lake walked with Kepler’s 19-year-old daughter Lisa. His next court hearing is Dec. 18.

The newspaper reported the board approved Kepler’s request to retire and collect his pension during a Nov. 19 meeting. His retirement date was listed as Nov. 1, and he qualified for about four years’ worth of payments in a lump sum. With a monthly benefit at $2,947 and a minimum pension plan interest rate of 7.5 percent, that totaled about $162,000, the newspaper reported.

While the law says crimes must be “related to their office or employment” to impact a pension, Snyder said Kepler would be disqualified from a pension if convicted.

“All police officers take an oath to uphold the constitution of the state of Oklahoma as well as the laws of Oklahoma. That violation would constitute a breach of their oath,” he said.

Kepler’s attorney, Richard O’Carroll, said he believes the law would let Kepler keep a monthly pension.


Read more: Tulsa cop charged in death takes lump-sum pension - Washington Times
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Inappropriate from the St. Louis County PD.

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They don't need to comment on it and blame the 12 year old on his shooting. Have some tact and stay away from topics like that after what has happened.

Also telling the child to reach for the gun and make a sudden movement is terrible advice.
 

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They don't need to comment on it and blame the 12 year old on his shooting. Have some tact and stay away from topics like that after what has happened.
Right. It's a terrible idea to give parents some smart advice that might keep their kids safe in the future.

Have you ever seen an airsoft gun? You don't see why it's idiotic to let your kids run around with one of these with the orange tip removed? You think it's so outrageous that a police officer can't immediately tell the difference between this and the real thing?

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They don't need to comment on it and blame the 12 year old on his shooting. Have some tact and stay away from topics like that after what has happened.

Also telling the child to reach for the gun and make a sudden movement is terrible advice.
I do not believe they are blaming the boy at all. They specifically stated that they do not have all of the details and encourage individuals to to research the topic. Also, they did not speculate that the shooting was justified or not. They are simply informing the public to be more proactive in teaching their children safety when it comes to realistic looking "toy" guns.
 
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It's idiotic that the St. Louis County PD decided to weigh-in on this. And in the case of Tamir Rice, the cop should have waited more than 2 seconds to see if it was real. Rice didn't know what was going on and didn't point it.
 

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Right. It's a terrible idea to give parents some smart advice that might keep their kids safe in the future.

Have you ever seen an airsoft gun? You don't see why it's idiotic to let your kids run around with one of these with the orange tip removed? You think it's so outrageous that a police officer can't immediately tell the difference between this and the real thing?

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Yeah, how dare they provide advice that they think might save a child's life in the future...
 

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It's idiotic that the St. Louis County PD decided to weigh-in on this. And in the case of Tamir Rice, the cop should have waited more than 2 seconds to see if it was real. Rice didn't know what was going on and didn't point it.

Why?

Everyone else - literally - is allowed to have an opinion and weigh in.
 

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It's idiotic that the St. Louis County PD decided to weigh-in on this.
They didn't "weigh in on this." A terrible thing happened and they figured it'd be a good idea to PREVENT SUCH THINGS IN THE FUTURE. They offered no opinion, just smart suggestions.

And in the case of Tamir Rice, the cop should have waited more than 2 seconds to see if it was real. Rice didn't know what was going on and didn't point it.
If it WAS real, you don't get two seconds. Two seconds is life or death.
 

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Because this happened, and because it was horrific it shouldn't be addressed by this department? Is that the same for all departments, or just St. Louis? I think that it is great that they are trying to be proactive in getting the information out there, and hoping to prevent a situation like this in their area. I think more issues like this should be commented on by departments, with solutions to mitigate it from happening in their area.
 

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This actually happened to me. I bought a BB gun at a Walmart when I was about 17 and made the mistake of taking it out of the box in the car in the parking lot. Someone called the police about a "kid with a gun outside the Walmart." I was ripped from the vehicle and thrown to the ground with some pretty good bumps and bruises but I didn't cry police brutality. Thank God I wasn't fired on but guns were drawn and pointed at me.
 

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They don't have to weigh in publicly and put out a weird victim blaming thing.
QUOTE: This article is not about this boy losing his life, whether this was a justified shooting, or whether the cops acted too fast. This is about the Fenton Precinct making residents aware of a "hot" topic and learning from this incident so Fenton never loses a child's life. END QUOTE.

But no no no, you think the prevention of future incidents is "victim blaming." Let's never again warn people that they should inform the cops if they're pulled over for speeding and carry a firearm in their glove box. Let's never tell kids to take their hands out of their pockets when approached by the police. Let's never advise women not to walk alone down *that* street late at night. Those things would be victim blaming.
 
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People have learned that cops will kill you for having a toy gun. We don't need the police department that's in cahoots with Roorda to remind us when they'll kill people.
 

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Kids will be kids is also an incredible terrible way to lead it off.
He did not STATE "kids will be kids." See the question mark there? He asked: Kids will be kids?

It's a rhetorical question that he answers in the body of the article. Kids will be kids QUESTION MARK? Yes, and that's why it's important for parents and communities to be aware of what their kids are up to, what toys they're playing with, and where.
 

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They don't have to weigh in publicly and put out a weird victim blaming thing.

Of all the cases, Tamir Rice is the one where I have by far the least amount of sympathy. It's a tragedy that he was young, but he was pointing a very real looking gun at people and "scaring the shit" out of them. Cops were called directly because of his actions... this wasn't a kid getting stopped-and-frisked or minding his own business or in a situation like Crawford in Walmart... he was alone waving a gun around that had the orange tip purposely removed to look as real as possible.

Cops respond to the call and you can't see exactly what happens, by their account he reached for the gun, and there is no evidence to contradict that. For adults, they call an action like that "suicide by cop."

I'm sympathetic that he was probably too young to know better, outside of that all his death was 100% preventable through just his actions alone.
 

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How is it reminding anyone "when" they will kill someone? They are simply stating that it is important to educate children of the dangers that come along with using a firearm that "looks real" in certain ways. Additionally, they are making the public aware that when it is uncertain if the weapon is real or not that an officer will always respond as if it is real. The statement is made for educational purposes, not an agenda driven "weigh-in" as you would like to think it is.
 

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People have learned that cops will kill you for having a replica of a real gun without the proper orange safety tip, brandishing it at people, having the cops called by concerned citizens witnessing you pointing the replica at people, and then reaching for the gun when the cops approach you. We don't need the police department that's in cahoots with Roorda to remind us when they'll kill people.

Fixed.
 
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