Rioting in St Louis

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Yup



Obviously a gentlemen scholar...

Don't Die is a song about police brutality and a story about a Larry Davis like character. Ignoring the first verse is taking away the story and ignoring the part where Killer Mike mentions that his father was a cop.

 

[GoIrish41]

See there you go you don't want stereotypes but now you are saying every white person is a redneck.

Make up your mind here.

Show me where I said "every white person is a redneck." I am a white person. I don't even own a flannel shirt.

 

[ulukinatme]

Did he 100% attack him? Look at the picture and see if you see a man who was "attacked" by someone who was the size of an offensive lineman.

Powder residue from the gun on his hands, he wasn't shot while trying to run away. If you attempt to lay your hands on a police officer, you're going to suffer consequences. If you're smart you don't attempt to assault an officer in the first place, and I certainly wouldn't leave it up to the officer to decide if he's going to pull the trigger on you in self defense or not in that circumstance. If someone outweighs you by 40 pounds or more and starts swinging, I'm not confidant I'm going to overpower him either:

Official autopsy shows Michael Brown had close-range wound to his hand, marijuana in system : News

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Sorry so you're saying he IS a peaceful sort of fellow? I spent a total of 20 seconds looking into his lyrics and found this beauty. The song is called "Burn."

Bomb, yeah, yeah, yeah, this motherfucker down
Yeah, yeah, yeah I will bomb this motherfucker down
You and your whose me and my foes
Me and my foes... you and your whose
Never was supposed, that ever ever was for

Good song to quote because it's about anger about police brutality. Symbollically burning down the establishment.

They say love Jesus and listen to your pastor
But Jesus told the truth and the pastor's a lying bastard
All he talk about is economic elevation
And all Jesus talked about was soul salvation
Jesus sat with the sick and He walked with the poor
And if he gave blood for our sins why we givin' more

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Powder residue from the gun on his hands, he wasn't shot while trying to run away. If you attempt to lay your hands on a police officer, you're going to suffer consequences. If you're smart you don't attempt to assault an officer in the first place, and I certainly wouldn't leave it up to the officer to decide if he's going to pull the trigger on you in self defense or not in that circumstance. If someone outweighs you by 40 pounds or more and starts swinging, I'm not confidant I'm going to overpower him either:

Official autopsy shows Michael Brown had close-range wound to his hand, marijuana in system : News

That powder came from the shots in the car. Wilson said that he was shooting at him during the chase.

 

[woolybug25]

Don't Die is a song about police brutality and a story about a Larry Davis like character. Ignoring the first verse is taking away the story and ignoring the part where Killer Mike mentions that his father was a cop.

Hell, If someone wants to read the whole song, they can go for it. I wasn't trying to frame his comments differently than they were presented. If you think those types of lyrics are supposed to be viewed as intelligent or responsible, then I totally get why you are so impassioned about a police officer shooting a kid that attacked him.

Here is the link for anyone that wants to read the song in it's entirety. If you can read the lyrics and come back thinking this is poetry, then we are just on different planes.

Killer Mike – Don't Die Lyrics | Genius

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Hell, If someone wants to read the whole song, they can go for it. I wasn't trying to frame his comments differently than they were presented. If you think those types of lyrics are supposed to be viewed as intelligent or responsible?

Here is the link for anyone that wants to read the song in it's entirety. If you can read the lyrics and come back thinking this is poetry, then we are just on different planes.

Killer Mike – Don't Die Lyrics | Genius

It's a story. Do you think Quentin Tarantino is a bank robber and a heroin addict?

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

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More Killer Mike on cops and the law and whatnot.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Some of y'all will like the first verse.

 

[woolybug25]

It's a story. Do you think Quentin Tarantino is a bank robber and a heroin addict?

Nope. But i'm not using Tarantino as an example of non violence. Nor does Terantino have anything to do with this case.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Nope. But i'm not using Tarantino as an example of non violence. Nor does Terantino have anything to do with this case.

Tarantino has to do with art and how it reflects the views of the artist, which has to do with Killer Mike's stance on all of this.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

How come...with the thousands of black cops in America...you ain't never picked up the paper, turned on the TV, or the news...and seen white folk crying...because this black cop...shot my loved one in the back of the head...cause he thought the cellphone was a gun. How come you don't see that?...You think black cops is...more spiritual? You think better qualified? Nah...They got enough sense to know that white folks ain't going to tolerate it...And the only reason they do to us what they do cause you tolerate it. Ok, I'm not telling you don't chastise these young men! But I ain't see you chastise the police!!

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[NoJusticeNoPeace]

FreeFreeMaxRedfield

 

[kmoose]

Don't Die is a song about police brutality and a story about a Larry Davis like character. Ignoring the first verse is taking away the story and ignoring the part where Killer Mike mentions that his father was a cop.

Are you saying that Mike's dad was, in fact, a cop?

 

[woolybug25]

Tarantino has to do with art and how it reflects the views of the artist, which has to do with Killer Mike's stance on all of this.

Tarantino doesn't have a view on this and doesn't reflect his view on this matter in his work. They are completely unalike.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Are you saying that Mike's dad was, in fact, a cop?

Yeah Killer Mike's dad was a cop. Killer Mike has spoken about this on CNN as well as his support for the 2nd Amendment and gun rights.

 

[ulukinatme]

That powder came from the shots in the car. Wilson said that he was shooting at him during the chase.

Ok, so he still tried to grab an officer's gun? Clearly the kid is innocent, a fine upstanding member of society. You know it's legal for an officer to shoot a fleeing suspect if they've been found to be violent? Tennessee vs. Garner Supreme Court decision found that an officer can't shoot every felon that tries to escape, but they're within their rights to shoot if the escapee has shown violence whether it was lethal or not. Based on the robbery and Brown reaching into an officer's vehicle, I'd say he was within his rights.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

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[woolybug25]

Ok, so he still tried to grab an officer's gun? Clearly the kid is innocent, a fine upstanding member of society. You know it's legal for an officer to shoot a fleeing suspect if they've been found to be violent? Tennessee vs. Garner Supreme Court decision found that an officer can't shoot every felon that tries to escape, but they're within their rights to shoot if the escapee has shown violence whether it was lethal or not. Based on the robbery and Brown reaching into an officer's vehicle, I'd say he was within his rights.

So many people completely ignore this fact.

 

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Its Beginning To Look A Lot Like Christmas, Everywhere I Goooo

 

[Irish#1]

It is well hidden now...not gone.

Read before you reply. I never said it was gone.

 

[Irish#1]

So many people completely ignore this fact.

It's not true. Ask NJNP.

 

[ulukinatme]

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Killer Mic had a lot of good things to say here, he was very articulate in his points. However, he is wrong on two issues:

1. It's not excusable to assault people and rob a store just because you're a "kid" (Even though Brown was 18 at the time and considered an adult by most of society). You do not get a pass for this. If you break the law, there are consequences, you don't get to walk away because you made a stupid decision. Do you deserve to get shot for that? Probably not, but reaching for a police officer's weapon or assaulting an officer is another stupid decision.
2. I'm sure he couldn't have known this at the time since the autopsy wasn't finished, but there were the traces of gun powder on Brown's hands, which meant the gun was fired in close proximity to the hand in a way that suggests he was trying to grab the gun. Killer Mike makes the claim that if there was no powder found it supports the theory that Brown wasn't in close proximity to the officer when the gun was fired, however we know different now. By his own statement "If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck." Therefore, if the powder was found in a manner that suggests that the gun was fired in close proximity, he most likely was trying to reach for the weapon which is a bad move.

 

[GATTACA!]

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[NDohio]

Killer Mic had a lot of good things to say here, he was very articulate in his points. However, he is wrong on two issues:

1. It's not excusable to assault people and rob a store just because you're a "kid" (Even though Brown was 18 at the time and considered an adult by most of society). You do not get a pass for this. If you break the law, there are consequences, you don't get to walk away because you made a stupid decision. Do you deserve to get shot for that? Probably not, but reaching for a police officer's weapon or assaulting an officer is another stupid decision.
2. I'm sure he couldn't have known this at the time since the autopsy wasn't finished, but there were the traces of gun powder on Brown's hands, which meant the gun was fired in close proximity to the hand in a way that suggests he was trying to grab the gun. Killer Mike makes the claim that if there was no powder found it supports the theory that Brown wasn't in close proximity to the officer when the gun was fired, however we know different now. By his own statement "If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck." Therefore, if the powder was found in a manner that suggests that the gun was fired in close proximity, he most likely was trying to reach for the weapon which is a bad move.

The other part of this is that he totally glossed over the assaulting the store owner part.

Paraphrasing: He shoplifted, all kids shoplift.

He may not think shoplifting is a big deal, but how can he not think the assaulting of the store owner is just kids being kids? That's not right.

 

[SaltyND24]

Ok my two cents on everything I've read so far...It isn't so much that I would call out people for being flat out racist, but I do honestly believe that there has been a degree of racial insensitivity shown in some of the posts in this thread and in many others. There are a couple of things that need to be said.

1) Some of you guys in this thread don't have the experiences that others may have as it relates to the issue of cops and the use of deadly/excessive force. I've been pulled over in a new car, having done nothing wrong and ended up with my head on the hood being searched, only to have an officer bullshit and say my tail light was out. I've been thrown on the hood of a cop car with a group of friends after reporting a crime because the cops assumed we were the ones responsible. My best friend is an LAPD officer. I was the best man in his wedding and the thing I worried most about him is that the job forces you to be on high alert all the time and people make mistakes sometimes. So, I understand that not all cops are killers of PEOPLE, but I'm not going to sit here and say that everything they say or do is appropriate or true. That's based on my experiences.

2) Stop with the petty bullshit. The shit about lyrics from Killer Mike and the sarcastic comments that have been made are just that, petty. You don't have to like them, but first take the time to research and get a feel for the person and where they are coming from. Some of you implying that hip-hop is the problem need to do some research and look at artists that normally aren't on the radio.

3) To downplay race in this country simply because we have a black man in the oval office is to be completely ignorant to race relations in this country. Do we honestly believe it still isn't an issue because of this? I know people who voted for Obama who would still walk to the other side of the street if two black males were walking in their direction. Racism isn't so much the blatant, in-your-face kind that it was 50 years ago.

On BOTH ends, if you aren't capable of discussing these kinds of topics in a civil manner, please take a seat. There are some people in here that I think highly of, but you're starting to ruin that. Be productive with your commentary and discussion, seriously.

 

[Emcee77]

Ok, so he still tried to grab an officer's gun? Clearly the kid is innocent, a fine upstanding member of society. You know it's legal for an officer to shoot a fleeing suspect if they've been found to be violent? Tennessee vs. Garner Supreme Court decision found that an officer can't shoot every felon that tries to escape, but they're within their rights to shoot if the escapee has shown violence whether it was lethal or not. Based on the robbery and Brown reaching into an officer's vehicle, I'd say he was within his rights.

HOLY SHITBALLS people let's not get crazy in here. TN v. Garner says no such thing. It says that a cop can shoot a fleeing suspect IF he has probable cause to believe that the fleeing suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical harm to the cop or the community. It's not enough to have merely "shown violence." If Michael Brown was truly fleeing in this case--i.e., if the officer shot him in the back--the shooting would not have been lawful, imo.

Of course, in this case the medical examination showed that he WASN'T shot in the back ... I'm just saying, if we are going to cite to legal authority let's make sure we get the law right.

 

[kmoose]

This is not directed at any one person, it is somewhat rhetorical musing:

I have listened to a lot of opinions over the past couple of days. One universal theme is that blacks feel disenfranchised by poverty. I do have sympathy for this, but at the same time I wonder: If poverty is keeping black people down, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD stop burning down and looting black owned business!!!! What possible sense could that make?

 

[ickythump1225]

I would say I'm shocked that this has been made a race issue but I'm not. The facts are this "kid" robbed a store and then physically assaulted the store owner. After that he physically assaulted a police officer and then reached for his gun. End of story.

All the other hot air from race hustlers like Al Sharpton or Eric Holder is just bulls**t. Michael Brown got himself killed, basically suicide by cop. The media has now ruined an innocent man's life and stirred rioting throughout the country on the basis of made up fairy tales by "eye witnesses." Now we have a bunch of non contributing zeros out looting and rioting under the guise of a higher cause and Sharpton & his media mouthpieces will praise them as noble and condemn any police action whatsoever.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

That's not the end of story. People accuse me of ignoring facts and turn around and do what they accuse me of.