Rioting in St Louis

[DomerInHappyValley]

I predict many bannings from this thread.

 

[irishog77]

Sure, I'm all for any excuse to go rob people. My favorite part of Hurricane Katrina was the raping, assaulting, stealing, and murdering that ensued.

This is sub-human behavior. Anybody that uses a disaster, wether it be done to themselves or others, to act in such a manner is acting as an animal, not as a human being. And people that rationalize or justify that behavior? Pretty much the same.

 

[anarin]

Sure, I'm all for any excuse to go rob people. My favorite part of Hurricane Katrina was the raping, assaulting, stealing, and murdering that ensued.

This is sub-human behavior. Anybody that uses a disaster, wether it be done to themselves or others, to act in such a manner is acting as an animal, not as a human being. And people that rationalize or justify that behavior? Pretty much the same.

The Heineken guy was the best. He was drinking for free for awhile!!!

 

[Irishnuke]

Post about the rioting but not about the murder.

Where's your post about the shooting?

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

This is anger arising from a sense that young people are systematically oppressed, and sometimes killed, by representatives of an institution that is not seen as representing the black community. If you don't live within this community you probably won't understand the anger. Despite the sentiments of those on IE, if you're white and male you do not understand what it means to be oppressed. Most of the time this kind of anger lies within the community, sometimes it boils over into the streets. My suggestion would be to try to figure out why a community of people would be so angry, think about how you might feel if you felt targeted by the police or had a member of your community killed by them, and start to listen to the voices of the people affected. Believe it or not, all of us have no idea what is running through their minds and are in no position to evaluate whether it's logical or merited.

The weakest logic I've seen in quite some time. Try harder.

 

[Irishnuke]

Post about the rioting but not about the murder.

I keep looking for the thread you started about this shooting that you're so passionate about. Clearly you started a thread and I just can't find it anywhere.

 

[BobD]

People getting shot and killed is terrible whether it's justified or not.

Rioting and looting is something stupid people do.

My two statements apply equally to all races, cause I'm diverse.

 

[Booslum31]

Nothing says "free stuff" more than a vigil. I'm following this thread and really don;t want to enter the fray. KMoose is doing well...IMO

 

[Redbar]

Sure, I'm all for any excuse to go rob people. My favorite part of Hurricane Katrina was the raping, assaulting, stealing, and murdering that ensued.

This is sub-human behavior. Anybody that uses a disaster, wether it be done to themselves or others, to act in such a manner is acting as an animal, not as a human being. And people that rationalize or justify that behavior? Pretty much the same.

What? Where did you hear that rape, assault, and murder ensued. I'll give you that some stealing occurred, much of it was for survival, but that other stuff outside of normal statistical crime is not at all factual. (Oddly enough the two biggest outright murder cases from the aftermath of Katrina have resulted in the actions of several cops coming to light and the subsequent forfeiture of their freedom.)

"In the days after the hurricane when the city began to flood, tens of thousands of mostly poor black New Orleanians found themselves without food, water, or shelter, and were forced to depend on local and federal authorities to provide their basic needs. When authorities failed to provide these, New Orleanians were admonished for their positions to varying extents. On television, commentators wondered why these people did not just leave when they were told. On the pages of national newspapers, headlines announced “The Looting Instinct,” 1 “Thugs Rein of Terror,” 2 and the like. For the first days after the hurricane, news outlets focused on what we now know to be greatly exaggerated individual acts of crime and violence (Dwyer and Drew 2005). This illustrates a feature of the American media more generally. During the 1990’s, nationwide news coverage of homicide more than quadrupled while homicide rates declined by 33%. In the entertainment industry, television characters on prime time are murdered approximately eleven times as often as real people in the United States (Becket and Sanson 2004). Reality TV-shows such as “Cops” and “Law and Order,” and the violent film industry similarly inflate the prevalence of violent crime in the United States."

-The Criminalization of New Orleanians in Katrina’s Wake in Perspectives from the Social Sciences
By Sarah Kaufman
Published on: Jun 11, 2006

 

[autry_denson]

Puh-leeeeeese! POOR people feel oppressed, all over, and despite what you might think: There are PLENTY of poor white people. Maybe the anger stems from apologists filling black youths heads with the idea that they are still treated like common slaves, and that that experience is unique to them?

Read more. You don't understand America, in the past or now.

 

[autry_denson]

Sure, I'm all for any excuse to go rob people. My favorite part of Hurricane Katrina was the raping, assaulting, stealing, and murdering that ensued.

This is sub-human behavior. Anybody that uses a disaster, wether it be done to themselves or others, to act in such a manner is acting as an animal, not as a human being. And people that rationalize or justify that behavior? Pretty much the same.

You are part of a long tradition of talking about black people as subhuman. Nothing more American than your post - never expected to see this stuff on a Notre Dame football site, but I've learned a lot here.

 

[kmoose]

Read more. You don't understand America, in the past or now.

Enlighten me?

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Enlighten me?

Get your popcorn ready. This is gonna be goooooddd.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

You are part of a long tradition of talking about black people as subhuman. Nothing more American than your post - never expected to see this stuff on a Notre Dame football site, but I've learned a lot here.

When did rioting and looting become racist, or acts only associated with a certain group of people? What world do you live in? Ever seen the campus of West Virginia after a big win? Dozens of white honkies burning furniture and turning over cop cars.

 

[autry_denson]

Enlighten me?

Most on here are immune to evidence, esp. if it is not consistent with your worldview as seen from the front porch. But I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you might like to read the best research out there. This is a tiny sampling of some relevant stuff to get you started, all available without a paywall:

http://kirwaninstitute.osu.edu/docs/SOTS-Implicit_Bias.pdf
Black Middle-Class Kids Impacted by Poor Neighborhoods - The Pew Charitable Trusts
http://scholar.harvard.edu/files/pager/files/pager_ajs.pdf
HUDNo.13-091
http://www.stat.columbia.edu/~gelman/research/published/frisk9.pdf

 

[kmoose]

Most on here are immune to evidence, esp. if it is not consistent with your worldview as seen from the front porch. But I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you might like to read the best research out there. This is a tiny sampling of some relevant stuff to get you started, all available without a paywall:

http://kirwaninstitute.osu.edu/docs/SOTS-Implicit_Bias.pdf
Black Middle-Class Kids Impacted by Poor Neighborhoods - The Pew Charitable Trusts
http://scholar.harvard.edu/files/pager/files/pager_ajs.pdf
HUDNo.13-091
http://www.stat.columbia.edu/~gelman/research/published/frisk9.pdf

I was expecting you to give me your views, based on your experiences. I will read these things, but I won't be doing it right now. There's a lot of info there to try to digest in just skimming it. And it's Shark Week, so my time is limited. But you know what? I grew up in a lower middle class family of 6 kids. Almost every single article of clothing that I wore, from the time I was out of baby clothes until I was about 13, was something that one of my 3 older brothers had grown out of. We often ate cereal for dinner, because there just wasn't enough in the grocery budget to feed a family of 6 kids properly. I grew up in a very middle class to upper middle class town. My parents chose to spend what little extra they had on rent, in an area with good schools. People in town knew that our family was just barely scraping by. It was no big secret. We went to Catholic grade school only because our parents were very devout members of the parish, and the parish offered need-based tuition to our school. We were not bad kids at all, other than the normal teenaged hijinx like toilet papering houses... but we were treated differently than our friends and peers, because they came from "better families".

That's not to compare my experiences with the experiences of kids from areas like Cabrini Green or Bedford-Stuyvesant; but it doesn't sound like these people are from an area like that, either. So why should they get a pass on rioting? I'm not commenting on the shooting, because the topic of the OP was the rioting. The shooting is a completely different story. But we need to quit making the "we are persecuted" excuse for everyone of color. Not all of them are as disadvantaged as some would like to have us think.

 

[TheRealLynch51]

IMO, looting isnt the best way to show anger about a supposed murder. What does that accomplish? The people that were there to protest have every American right to do so and I'm cool with that. And i know that some cases, looting is a tool for survival (Katrina), but there were also some non-survival looting in that case as well. I don't know who is in the right or wrong here, but thats for a court to decide.

 

[calvegas04]

Destroy your own community, that will show them!

 

[autry_denson]

I was expecting you to give me your views, based on your experiences. I will read these things, but I won't be doing it right now. There's a lot of info there to try to digest in just skimming it. And it's Shark Week, so my time is limited. But you know what? I grew up in a lower middle class family of 6 kids. Almost every single article of clothing that I wore, from the time I was out of baby clothes until I was about 13, was something that one of my 3 older brothers had grown out of. We often ate cereal for dinner, because there just wasn't enough in the grocery budget to feed a family of 6 kids properly. I grew up in a very middle class to upper middle class town. My parents chose to spend what little extra they had on rent, in an area with good schools. People in town knew that our family was just barely scraping by. It was no big secret. We went to Catholic grade school only because our parents were very devout members of the parish, and the parish offered need-based tuition to our school. We were not bad kids at all, other than the normal teenaged hijinx like toilet papering houses... but we were treated differently than our friends and peers, because they came from "better families".

That's not to compare my experiences with the experiences of kids from areas like Cabrini Green or Bedford-Stuyvesant; but it doesn't sound like these people are from an area like that, either. So why should they get a pass on rioting? I'm not commenting on the shooting, because the topic of the OP was the rioting. The shooting is a completely different story. But we need to quit making the "we are persecuted" excuse for everyone of color. Not all of them are as disadvantaged as some would like to have us think.

That’s useful context for understanding your perspective, I appreciate it. But that’s the view “from the front porch.”

When my students make an argument I follow up by asking them how they came to that argument. Is it based on their own experiences exclusively? Is it based on people they know? Is it based on their sense of the lives of other people? Is it based on interactions with other people? If so, what was the context for those interactions? Is it based on what they’ve read? If so, where did they read it? Is it based on data that someone has gathered? If so, how were the data gathered?

What one learns, very quickly, is that most of these sources contain some form of bias. But the sources of information or data that have the most obvious, blatant biases are those that are based on our own experiences exclusively, and our ‘sense’ of other people. It doesn’t mean we should discount our intuition and our experiences, which are hugely important – but it does mean we should push ourselves to get additional data that may be less biased – and by bias I mean anything that is not representative of reality, whether it’s intentionally unrepresentative or not. All data contains some bias, but some contain much much more than others.

So your experience growing up is valuable data. I’m assuming you are white – if so, there is a high likelihood, based on the living situations of all Americans from different race/ethnic groups now and in the past, that no matter your family’s income you grew up in an environment that was dramatically more advantaged than black Americans. I say this because the distributions of majority-black and majority-white Americans still barely overlap—the “worst” white neighborhoods are better-resourced, with higher quality institutions, more economic opportunities, and less poverty than the “best” black neighborhoods. See the second source I sent for information documenting this. If you want to know why this is the case you can read some of Doug Massey’s research on the history of social policies that were designed, explicitly (as revealed in actual debates, policy discussions, and legal texts) to make sure that blacks were not able to expand into white neighborhoods and, secondly, that black neighborhoods could not access the same resources commonly available to even the poorest whites (things like home mortgages, for instance).

There’s also a substantially higher probability that someone like you, who was into minor delinquency by your own admission, would have ended up in prison if you were black. I’m not saying it definitely would have happened, but there’s a much higher chance. Blacks and whites have similar rates of drug usage—if anything, blacks use less than whites, which we know not only from surveys but also from emergency room admissions for overdoses. But black arrest rates for drug possession are on a different scale than whites. The behaviors of blacks and whites don’t differ much—the consequences of those behaviors differ tremendously.

No matter your family background, you also had a major advantage when you entered the labor market. As one of those papers shows, an experimental study of job-seekers in Milwaukee found that when matched pairs of applicants went to employers asking for a job, white applicants who checked a box indicating that they had a criminal record were more likely to get called back than black applicants who indicated that they did not have a criminal record.

From your own experience, you might not have realized that your neighborhood was totally different than the black family with the same income. That the police were not targeting you like they do—statistically, this is uncontroversial—in black neighborhoods. That your minor hijinks could have put you on a path toward prison in a different community. And that your first employer might not have hired you if you were the same person, but your skin was dark.

This stuff is tough to understand unless you open yourself up to the thought that the everyday experiences of different people may be totally different than yours. Surrounding yourselves (in real life, or on the internet) with like-minded people who give you reps and gang up to ridicule those who disagree with you doesn’t help. It takes effort, and lots of reading, to get closer to an unbiased view of the world. I don’t see a lot of that on here.

 

[kmoose]

That’s useful context for understanding your perspective, I appreciate it. But that’s the view “from the front porch.”

Considering that I grew up in Ohio, have lived or spent significant time in San Diego(CA), Memphis(TN), Fresno(CA), Oxnard(CA), San Jose(CA), Hawaii, Whidbey Island(WA), Portland(OR), Hickory(NC), Jacksonville(FL), and now upstate NY, and have travelled to places like Tokyo(Japan), Kiev(Ukraine), Sofia(Bulgaria), Varna(Bulgaria), Baku(Azerbaijan), St. Julians(Malta), Limassol(Cyprus), Skopje(Macedonia), Aqaba(Jordan), and Amman(Jordan), I would say that I see life through a pretty expansive lens. I've spent a LOT of time "off of the front porch".

 

[TheRealLynch51]

That’s useful context for understanding your perspective, I appreciate it. But that’s the view “from the front porch.”

When my students make an argument I follow up by asking them how they came to that argument. Is it based on their own experiences exclusively? Is it based on people they know? Is it based on their sense of the lives of other people? Is it based on interactions with other people? If so, what was the context for those interactions? Is it based on what they’ve read? If so, where did they read it? Is it based on data that someone has gathered? If so, how were the data gathered?

What one learns, very quickly, is that most of these sources contain some form of bias. But the sources of information or data that have the most obvious, blatant biases are those that are based on our own experiences exclusively, and our ‘sense’ of other people. It doesn’t mean we should discount our intuition and our experiences, which are hugely important – but it does mean we should push ourselves to get additional data that may be less biased – and by bias I mean anything that is not representative of reality, whether it’s intentionally unrepresentative or not. All data contains some bias, but some contain much much more than others.

So your experience growing up is valuable data. I’m assuming you are white – if so, there is a high likelihood, based on the living situations of all Americans from different race/ethnic groups now and in the past, that no matter your family’s income you grew up in an environment that was dramatically more advantaged than black Americans. I say this because the distributions of majority-black and majority-white Americans still barely overlap—the “worst” white neighborhoods are better-resourced, with higher quality institutions, more economic opportunities, and less poverty than the “best” black neighborhoods. See the second source I sent for information documenting this. If you want to know why this is the case you can read some of Doug Massey’s research on the history of social policies that were designed, explicitly (as revealed in actual debates, policy discussions, and legal texts) to make sure that blacks were not able to expand into white neighborhoods and, secondly, that black neighborhoods could not access the same resources commonly available to even the poorest whites (things like home mortgages, for instance).

There’s also a substantially higher probability that someone like you, who was into minor delinquency by your own admission, would have ended up in prison if you were black. I’m not saying it definitely would have happened, but there’s a much higher chance. Blacks and whites have similar rates of drug usage—if anything, blacks use less than whites, which we know not only from surveys but also from emergency room admissions for overdoses. But black arrest rates for drug possession are on a different scale than whites. The behaviors of blacks and whites don’t differ much—the consequences of those behaviors differ tremendously.

No matter your family background, you also had a major advantage when you entered the labor market. As one of those papers shows, an experimental study of job-seekers in Milwaukee found that when matched pairs of applicants went to employers asking for a job, white applicants who checked a box indicating that they had a criminal record were more likely to get called back than black applicants who indicated that they did not have a criminal record.

From your own experience, you might not have realized that your neighborhood was totally different than the black family with the same income. That the police were not targeting you like they do—statistically, this is uncontroversial—in black neighborhoods. That your minor hijinks could have put you on a path toward prison in a different community. And that your first employer might not have hired you if you were the same person, but your skin was dark.

This stuff is tough to understand unless you open yourself up to the thought that the everyday experiences of different people may be totally different than yours. Surrounding yourselves (in real life, or on the internet) with like-minded people who give you reps and gang up to ridicule those who disagree with you doesn’t help. It takes effort, and lots of reading, to get closer to an unbiased view of the world. I don’t see a lot of that on here.

Good points, but I do have a little disagreement with one part. I work a job in the Midwest where I go in two hour radius from Cincinnati every way. Some on the country areas that I visit (Predominately White) have little to no access to any of the schools or privilege that you described. They are so poor that food and even plumbing are an issue for them. It may be more predominate for African-Americans than whites, but some of these people are born so poor and uneducated that they never had a chance.

 

[autry_denson]

Considering that I grew up in Ohio, have lived or spent significant time in San Diego(CA), Memphis(TN), Fresno(CA), Oxnard(CA), San Jose(CA), Hawaii, Whidbey Island(WA), Portland(OR), Hickory(NC), Jacksonville(FL), and now upstate NY, and have travelled to places like Tokyo(Japan), Kiev(Ukraine), Sofia(Bulgaria), Varna(Bulgaria), Baku(Azerbaijan), St. Julians(Malta), Limassol(Cyprus), Skopje(Macedonia), Aqaba(Jordan), and Amman(Jordan), I would say that I see life through a pretty expansive lens. I've spent a LOT of time "off of the front porch".

The page-long rant didn't work so I'll repeat the short version: read more.

 

[autry_denson]

Good points, but I do have a little disagreement with one part. I work a job in the Midwest where I go in two hour radius from Cincinnati every way. Some on the country areas that I visit (Predominately White) have little to no access to any of the schools or privilege that you described. They are so poor that food and even plumbing are an issue for them. It may be more predominate for African-Americans than whites, but some of these people are born so poor and uneducated that they never had a chance.

good points, there is deep poverty among whites in many places as well. it is typically fundamentally different than black poverty b/c of the way that we invest in communities with different racial/ethnic profiles and the entrance of the criminal justice system into the lives of residents. But there are some exceptions where white communities have similarly poor resources and worse institutions than anywhere.

In fact, violent crime has dropped the most over the past twenty years in the places that used to be the most violent, many of which are predominantly black - and at the same time, the only places where violence has risen over the past 20 years are in majority-white places that have traditionally had low rates of violent crime. Places like North and South Dakota lead the pack, but there are a bunch of largely white places which represent the locations where violence is rising the quickest.

 

[TheRealLynch51]

good points, there is deep poverty among whites in many places as well. it is typically fundamentally different than black poverty b/c of the way that we invest in communities with different racial/ethnic profiles and the entrance of the criminal justice system into the lives of residents. But there are some exceptions where white communities have similarly poor resources and worse institutions than anywhere.

In fact, violent crime has dropped the most over the past twenty years in the places that used to be the most violent, many of which are predominantly black - and at the same time, the only places where violence has risen over the past 20 years are in majority-white places that have traditionally had low rates of violent crime. Places like North and South Dakota lead the pack, but there are a bunch of largely white places which represent the locations where violence is rising the quickest.

Not to offend anyone from the state of Kentucky, but some of the stuff I see there is straight appalling.

 

[Woneone]

good points, there is deep poverty among whites in many places as well. it is typically fundamentally different than black poverty b/c of the way that we invest in communities with different racial/ethnic profiles and the entrance of the criminal justice system into the lives of residents. But there are some exceptions where white communities have similarly poor resources and worse institutions than anywhere.

In fact, violent crime has dropped the most over the past twenty years in the places that used to be the most violent, many of which are predominantly black - and at the same time, the only places where violence has risen over the past 20 years are in majority-white places that have traditionally had low rates of violent crime. Places like North and South Dakota lead the pack, but there are a bunch of largely white places which represent the locations where violence is rising the quickest.

I think it's only fair to put your statement into proper context. Places like North Dakota and South Dakota have had rather large Oil Industry "booms", drawing a large population of outsiders to a normally sparsely populated area (many of these people not even having homes of their own, just following the money).

There is, I'm sure, an increase in violent crimes year over year, but per capita? Don't know. But, crime likes to follow the money.

Just saying, not sure it's real fair to say, "See, crime is growing with white people" without putting at least some context behind it.

 

[autry_denson]

I think it's only fair to put your statement into proper context. Places like North Dakota and South Dakota have had rather large Oil Industry "booms", drawing a large population of outsiders to a normally sparsely populated area (many of these people not even having homes of their own, just following the money).

There is, I'm sure, an increase in violent crimes year over year, but per capita? Don't know. But, crime likes to follow the money.

Just saying, not sure it's real fair to say, "See, crime is growing with white people" without putting at least some context behind it.

yes, per capita.

but you're right, understanding violence is all about understanding context. white people are not getting more violent - but the context has shifted in several largely white places creating more crime.

similarly, higher rates of crime in predominantly black places does not reveal anything about black people. rather, it reveals a lot about the contexts in which black people live. that context has changed in ways that have led to a tremendous decline of violence over the past twenty years. this is hard to explain for those who believe in the inherent, essential differences between groups of people.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

I keep looking for the thread you started about this shooting that you're so passionate about. Clearly you started a thread and I just can't find it anywhere.

Maybe I didn't need to provoke the people who like to race bait and have posted racist shit here in the past? I mean, Irishpat is gone but it's still here.

 

[Redbar]

That’s useful context for understanding your perspective, I appreciate it. But that’s the view “from the front porch.”

When my students make an argument I follow up by asking them how they came to that argument. Is it based on their own experiences exclusively? Is it based on people they know? Is it based on their sense of the lives of other people? Is it based on interactions with other people? If so, what was the context for those interactions? Is it based on what they’ve read? If so, where did they read it? Is it based on data that someone has gathered? If so, how were the data gathered?

What one learns, very quickly, is that most of these sources contain some form of bias. But the sources of information or data that have the most obvious, blatant biases are those that are based on our own experiences exclusively, and our ‘sense’ of other people. It doesn’t mean we should discount our intuition and our experiences, which are hugely important – but it does mean we should push ourselves to get additional data that may be less biased – and by bias I mean anything that is not representative of reality, whether it’s intentionally unrepresentative or not. All data contains some bias, but some contain much much more than others.

So your experience growing up is valuable data. I’m assuming you are white – if so, there is a high likelihood, based on the living situations of all Americans from different race/ethnic groups now and in the past, that no matter your family’s income you grew up in an environment that was dramatically more advantaged than black Americans. I say this because the distributions of majority-black and majority-white Americans still barely overlap—the “worst” white neighborhoods are better-resourced, with higher quality institutions, more economic opportunities, and less poverty than the “best” black neighborhoods. See the second source I sent for information documenting this. If you want to know why this is the case you can read some of Doug Massey’s research on the history of social policies that were designed, explicitly (as revealed in actual debates, policy discussions, and legal texts) to make sure that blacks were not able to expand into white neighborhoods and, secondly, that black neighborhoods could not access the same resources commonly available to even the poorest whites (things like home mortgages, for instance).

There’s also a substantially higher probability that someone like you, who was into minor delinquency by your own admission, would have ended up in prison if you were black. I’m not saying it definitely would have happened, but there’s a much higher chance. Blacks and whites have similar rates of drug usage—if anything, blacks use less than whites, which we know not only from surveys but also from emergency room admissions for overdoses. But black arrest rates for drug possession are on a different scale than whites. The behaviors of blacks and whites don’t differ much—the consequences of those behaviors differ tremendously.

No matter your family background, you also had a major advantage when you entered the labor market. As one of those papers shows, an experimental study of job-seekers in Milwaukee found that when matched pairs of applicants went to employers asking for a job, white applicants who checked a box indicating that they had a criminal record were more likely to get called back than black applicants who indicated that they did not have a criminal record.

From your own experience, you might not have realized that your neighborhood was totally different than the black family with the same income. That the police were not targeting you like they do—statistically, this is uncontroversial—in black neighborhoods. That your minor hijinks could have put you on a path toward prison in a different community. And that your first employer might not have hired you if you were the same person, but your skin was dark.

This stuff is tough to understand unless you open yourself up to the thought that the everyday experiences of different people may be totally different than yours. Surrounding yourselves (in real life, or on the internet) with like-minded people who give you reps and gang up to ridicule those who disagree with you doesn’t help. It takes effort, and lots of reading, to get closer to an unbiased view of the world. I don’t see a lot of that on here.

This would be exhibit #370 of why autry denson should win IE member that needs to post more.

 

[Redbar]

yes, per capita.

but you're right, understanding violence is all about understanding context. white people are not getting more violent - but the context has shifted in several largely white places creating more crime.

similarly, higher rates of crime in predominantly black places does not reveal anything about black people. rather, it reveals a lot about the contexts in which black people live. that context has changed in ways that have led to a tremendous decline of violence over the past twenty years. this is hard to explain for those who believe in the inherent, essential differences between groups of people.

This would be exhibit #371. Beautiful.

 

[greyhammer90]

This is anger arising from a sense that young people are systematically oppressed, and sometimes killed, by representatives of an institution that is not seen as representing the black community. If you don't live within this community you probably won't understand the anger. Despite the sentiments of those on IE, if you're white and male you do not understand what it means to be oppressed. Most of the time this kind of anger lies within the community, sometimes it boils over into the streets. My suggestion would be to try to figure out why a community of people would be so angry, think about how you might feel if you felt targeted by the police or had a member of your community killed by them, and start to listen to the voices of the people affected. Believe it or not, all of us have no idea what is running through their minds and are in no position to evaluate whether it's logical or merited.

And this is a prime example of why he shouldn't.