Rees vs Golson/Hendrix

[HereComeTheIrish]

IT was a very minor injury not like i wished him to break his neck.

That's like me wishing (which I would never do) one of your kids ripping up their knee, putting them out of something they love to do. Get it?

 

[NDinL.A.]

just for wishing for a sprained ankle

That was just freaking stupid. Why would you wish bodily harm on one of our kids? Who wins there? Would you feel better about yourself if he did?

IT was a very minor injury not like i wished him to break his neck.

I didn't ban you. I was out all day after the game. I saw that you were given a vacation this morning when I logged on.

But yeah, that post was bush-league, and several posters weren't happy about it. That's probably how the mods found out. And you did it on 2 different posts. Why would you wish injury to one of our own? I could see begging for him to be pulled from the game, but wishing injury? You went too far there IMO.

But no, I didn't give you that short vacation.

 

[BobD]

IT was a very minor injury not like i wished him to break his neck.

it's bad karma to wish that kind of stuff,........it comes around.

I hope nobody wishes me to sprain one or both of my typing fingers.

 

[irishff1014]

I didn't ban you. I was out all day after the game. I saw that you were given a vacation this morning when I logged on.

But yeah, that post was bush-league, and several posters weren't happy about it. That's probably how the mods found out. And you did it on 2 different posts. Why would you wish injury to one of our own? I could see begging for him to be pulled from the game, but wishing injury? You went too far there IMO.

But no, I didn't give you that short vacation.

I probably shouldn't have said it but this is almost like an email once you hit the submit button its a little to late.

 

[BGIF]

I probably shouldn't have said it but this is almost like an email once you hit the submit button its a little to late.

Then unplug your keyboard.



Actually it wasn't too late. Unlike an email there's an EDIT feature on this board. You could also have sent a PM to any moderator that was logged on at the time asking them to delete your injury wish. But you didn't do that either, did you?

You also could have posted an apology. "My bad, I shouldn't have said that. This is ND. He's family. Please disregard my hissy fit."

You didn't do that either, did you? Instead you raged through a dozen or more threads haranguing in each, regardless what the topic was. Finally you wished an injury on one of our own.


After you got a 24 ban to get over your hissy fit, you came back with your cutesy zinger at NDinL.A. for banning you. But it wasn't him, was it? An apology to NDinL.A. was appropriate but you didn't do it there either, did you?

Then you post,

IT was a very minor injury not like i wished him to break his neck.

And follow it with

I probably shouldn't have said it but ...

The 24 hours obviously had no impact.

 

[irishff1014]

Then unplug your keyboard.



Actually it wasn't too late. Unlike an email there's an EDIT feature on this board. You could also have sent a PM to any moderator that was logged on at the time asking them to delete your injury wish. But you didn't do that either, did you?

You also could have posted an apology. "My bad, I shouldn't have said that. This is ND. He's family. Please disregard my hissy fit."

You didn't do that either, did you? Instead you raged through a dozen or more threads haranguing in each, regardless what the topic was. Finally you wished an injury on one of our own.


After you got a 24 ban to get over your hissy fit, you came back with your cutesy zinger at NDinL.A. for banning you. But it wasn't him, was it? An apology to NDinL.A. was appropriate but you didn't do it there either, did you?

Then you post,



And follow it with




The 24 hours obviously had no impact.

I just assumed it was him. i don't pay enough attention to the name to know how many Mods there are on here.

 

[Murphy921]

Dear Coach Kelly,

If Rees has another bad half (especially against Purdont), please put Andrew Hendrix in. Crist isn't washed up, but Hendrix needs a chance and some playing time, or he'll walk (and I wont blame him). Weren't you watching the Blue/Gold Game? He's a good player! Give Golson a redshirt year to put some weight on and learn the system, and play the kid. Just give it a shot.

Cheers,
JP

p.s. Goodman is about as good as a PR as Turk is as a punter. Garbage. Just sayin.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Dear Coach Kelly,

The teams you coach win lots of games. I'm on a blog about football. Please keep knowing more about football than me.

Sincerely,
IrishJayhawk

 

[NDinL.A.]

Dear Coach Kelly,

If Rees has another bad half (especially against Purdont), please put Andrew Hendrix in. Crist isn't washed up, but Hendrix needs a chance and some playing time, or he'll walk (and I wont blame him). Weren't you watching the Blue/Gold Game? He's a good player! Give Golson a redshirt year to put some weight on and learn the system, and play the kid. Just give it a shot.

Cheers,
JP

p.s. Goodman is about as good as a PR as Turk is as a punter. Garbage. Just sayin.

Yes, that's it. Put in the kid who was badly beaten out by both Rees and Crist and basically give up on the season (as he knows WAY less of the playbook and has never seen a live college defense once in his life) b/c a kid played well against 3rd stringers and walk-ons in a scrimmage game. That'll work.

The ONLY was you'll see Hendrix or Golson as the starting QB this year is if we lose 2 more games and the season is lost anyways. Seeing Hendrix in meaningful time with the game on the line is a pipe dream, whether you agree with it or not...

 

[sharksamardzija8345]

Dear Coach Kelly,

The teams you coach win lots of games. I'm on a blog about football. Please keep knowing more about football than me.

Sincerely,
IrishJayhawk

7-5 and 2-2 isn't exactly Nick Sabanesque.. just saying.. Cinci he was excellent, perhaps he thinks he knows too much and his ego is too big to own his missed judgements

 

[RDU Irish]

Seriously, the best chance for Hendricks or Golson is for a "package" that they plan on using, say, the third series the next two games come hell or high water. Just matter of fact, giving the other teams something to worry about without overly threatening the status of the starter.

A full blown replacement of Rees with anyone other than Crist is a pipedream at best. I do see value in giving these younger guys some quality minutes to build depth and confidence.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

7-5 and 2-2 isn't exactly Nick Sabanesque.. just saying.. Cinci he was excellent, perhaps he thinks he knows too much and his ego is too big to own his missed judgements

a. Kelly was 8-5 last year. Kelly is 2-2 this year. He's now 10-7.
b. Saban was 7-6 in his first year at Bama. Saban won his first four in year 2. He was then 11-6.

So, hmmmmm...

 

[BGIF]

7-5 and 2-2 isn't exactly Nick Sabanesque.. just saying.. Cinci he was excellent, perhaps he thinks he knows too much and his ego is too big to own his missed judgements

Nick Saban was 7-6 and lost to Louisiana-Monroe before he won a national title ... just saying.

"... his ego is too big to own his missed judgements"? Strange I recall Kelly's post game presser after Tulsa where he flat out said he called the jump ball to Floyd instead of kicking a FG. I also recall him owning the Crist decision.

Well as least you got the "Cinci he was excellent" part right.

1 for 3.

 

[Kingbish01]

a. Kelly was 8-5 last year. Kelly is 2-2 this year. He's now 10-7.
b. Saban was 7-6 in his first year at Bama. Saban won his first four in year 2. He was then 11-6.

So, hmmmmm...

A.) Saban went on to win 22 of his next 23 games. And is 32 of 35 since that start.

B.) That was in the SEC

 

[Whiskeyjack]

B.) That was in the SEC

2010 Sagarin Average SEC SoS: 27.8

ND's 2010 Sagarin SoS: 22

It's easier to succeed in the SEC than at ND.

 

[Kingbish01]

2010 Sagarin Average SEC SoS: 27.8

ND's 2010 Sagarin SoS: 22

It's easier to succeed in the SEC than at ND.

He is 16 and 4 against the top 25 (Teams that finished in the top 25) since he took over at Bama in '07. ND has played 8 top 25 teams (finished the season in the top 25) since the start of '07. Soooooo....... I kinda disagree.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

He is 16 and 4 against the top 25 since he took over at Bama in '07. ND has played 8 top 25 teams since the start of '07. Soooooo....... I kinda disagree.

The SoS numbers don't lie. Yes, SEC teams face off against more ranked opponents, but they also sandwich those big games with cupcake matches, which ND doesn't do.

ND's average SoS over the last decade is 19.9. No conference even comes close to that. So if your argument is that the SEC plays a tougher schedule year after year, you're simply wrong.

 

[Kingbish01]

The SoS numbers don't lie. Yes, SEC teams face off against more ranked opponents, but they also sandwich those big games with cupcake matches, which ND doesn't do.

ND's average SoS over the last decade is 19.9. No conference even comes close to that. So if your argument is that the SEC plays a tougher schedule year after year, you're simply wrong.

That's actually good to know, living in the middle of SEC country. That being said, I wasn't talking about anything more than Nick Saban and my point was he started 11 and 6....And then blew the eff up. Also not that it matters, but LSU played Oregon and WVU. Bama played PSU, Va Tech, and Clemson in recent years. Florida sticks out as never playing anyone besides FSU and Miami every once in a while. Okay so back to the I hate/I love Tommy thread.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

That's actually good to know, living in the middle of SEC country. That being said, I wasn't talking about anything more than Nick Saban and my point was he started 11 and 6....And then blew the eff up.

No argument there. I was only addressing the comparison between SEC and ND schedules.

Also not that it matters, but LSU played Oregon and WVU. Bama played PSU, Va Tech, and Clemson in recent years. Florida sticks out as never playing anyone besides FSU and Miami every once in a while.

That's a good point. There are always a few SEC teams with a top SoS, but the conference as a whole doesn't average the crazy SoS rankings that most people assume.

And now back to your regular programming...

 

[Kingbish01]

No argument there. I was only addressing the comparison between SEC and ND schedules.



That's a good point. There are always a few SEC teams with a top SoS, but the conference as a whole doesn't average the crazy SoS rankings that most people assume.

And now back to your regular programming...

I was shocked at your #'s and wanted to verify before I repeated them. Just looking at 2010 most of the "Big Dogs" ( Auburn, Bama, LSU, Ark, and Fla) in the SEC had tougher scheduls than ND last year (going off of your Sagarin SOS rankings). It's the weaker teams in the division that need to play cupcakes because if they don't, they would get drilled week in and week out.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I was shocked at your #'s and wanted to verify before I repeated them. Just looking at 2010 most of the "Big Dogs" ( Auburn, Bama, LSU, Ark, and Fla) in the SEC had tougher scheduls than ND last year (going off of your Sagarin SOS rankings). It's the weaker teams in the division that need to play cupcakes because if they don't, they would get drilled week in and week out.

It's mainly the SEC West that consistently puts out top SoS rankings. In 2010, 4/6 of the SEC West had a tougher SoS than ND (Auburn- 13, 'Bama- 14, LSU- 15, and Arkansas- 11). The only two teams from the SEC East that played a tougher schedule were Florida - 21 and SCar- 12 (and our SoS was ranked right behind Florida's at 22).

 

[BGIF]

I was shocked at your #'s and wanted to verify before I repeated them. Just looking at 2010 most of the "Big Dogs" ( Auburn, Bama, LSU, Ark, and Fla) in the SEC had tougher scheduls than ND last year (going off of your Sagarin SOS rankings). It's the weaker teams in the division that need to play cupcakes because if they don't, they would get drilled week in and week out.

The weaker teams NEED them but the entire conference plays cupcakes by design to build conference wins.

From 2010 SEC Team Schedules

AUB Div 1aa Chatatanooga, La Monroe, Arkansas St
LSU Div 1aa McNeese St, La Monroe
ARK Div 1aaTennesse Tech, La Monroe
ALA Div 1aa Georgia St
UGA Div 1aa Idaho St
SCA Div 1aa Furman, Troy
UF Div 1aa Appalachian St
UTN Div 1aa Tennessee Martin, Memphis
MS Div 1aa Jacksonville St, Tulane
MST Div 1aa Alcorn St, Memphis
UK Div 1aa Charleston Southern
VU - Vandy was the only SEC team to play all Div 1 Opponents. Something Notre Dame has done every year since the 1930's.

Sagarin's Final Rankings do NOT reflect just SCHEDULED games. It includes League Championship Games and Bowl Games which boosts their schedule strength considerably.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Sagarin's Final Rankings do NOT reflect just SCHEDULED games. It includes League Championship Games and Bowl Games which boosts their schedule strength considerably.

That's a great point. I'd bet ND played a tougher regular season schedule than anyone in the SEC.

 

[BGIF]

Phil Steele's Toughest Schedules 2010

6. ND
7. UF
9. LSU
11. SCA
19. AUB
21. ALA
23. MST
29. ARK
32. VU
33. MS
38. UTN
43. UGA
75. UK


2011 OPPONENT WINNING % also from Phil Steele

5. LSU
6. ND
9. MS
26. ALA
26. ARK
35. MST
36. UF
39. AUB
41. SCA
45. UGA
50. VU
57. UTN
79. UK

 

[Kingbish01]

The weaker teams NEED them but the entire conference plays cupcakes by design to build conference wins.

From 2010 SEC Team Schedules

AUB Div 1aa Chatatanooga, La Monroe, Arkansas St
LSU Div 1aa McNeese St, La Monroe
ARK Div 1aaTennesse Tech, La Monroe
ALA Div 1aa Georgia St
UGA Div 1aa Idaho St
SCA Div 1aa Furman, Troy
UF Div 1aa Appalachian St
UTN Div 1aa Tennessee Martin, Memphis
MS Div 1aa Jacksonville St, Tulane
MST Div 1aa Alcorn St, Memphis
UK Div 1aa Charleston Southern
VU - Vandy was the only SEC team to play all Div 1 Opponents. Something Notre Dame has done every year since the 1930's.


Sagarin's Final Rankings do NOT reflect just SCHEDULED games. It includes League Championship Games and Bowl Games which boosts their schedule strength considerably.

BGIF--I agree playing these teams are a joke, without a doubt. But even with these teams on the schedule Bama, Lsa and Ark still played a top 15 schedule and they didn't have the SEC championship game to inflate the SOS. The SOS should include the league championship game (only 2 teams play so it's not like everyone in the conference gets an inflated ranking). I don't know about you guys, but I have been lucky enough to attend the UF/Bama SEC champ game a few years back. I think Bama beating UF was a tougher game that year then the National Championship game.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

BGIF--I agree playing these teams are a joke, without a doubt. But even with these teams on the schedule Bama, Lsa and Ark still played a top 15 schedule and they didn't have the SEC championship game to inflate the SOS. The SOS should include the league championship game (only 2 teams play so it's not like everyone in the conference gets an inflated ranking).

I disagree. Bowls and conference championships are post-season play, because teams qualify for them according to their regular season records. If you strip out post-season play, ND played a tougher 2010 schedule than every single SEC team. With the notable exception of LSU, 2011 will probably be no different.

 

[Kingbish01]

Phil Steele's Toughest Schedules 2010

6. ND
7. UF
9. LSU
11. SCA
19. AUB
21. ALA
23. MST
29. ARK
32. VU
33. MS
38. UTN
43. UGA
75. UK


2011 OPPONENT WINNING % also from Phil Steele

5. LSU
6. ND
9. MS
26. ALA
26. ARK
35. MST
36. UF
39. AUB
41. SCA
45. UGA
50. VU
57. UTN
79. UK

Phil Steele loves ND, we are one of his sleeper picks to win the NC game this year. My fingers are crossed, but I think he may be wrong. : - (

 

[Kingbish01]

I disagree. Bowls and conference championships are post-season play, because teams qualify for them according to their regular season records. If you strip out post-season play, ND played a tougher 2010 schedule than every single SEC team. With the notable exception of LSU, 2011 will probably be no different.

But do you still stand behind your comment that it would be easier to win in the SEC than at ND? Remember that big time Championship game at the end of the year.

 

[Kingbish01]

Before we get yelled at for not staying on topic....I wish BK would bench Tommy Rees for Kevin McDougal. Oh wait....He doesn't know the playbook. DAMN

 

[Whiskeyjack]

But do you still stand behind your comment that it would be easier to win in the SEC than at ND? Remember that big time Championship game at the end of the year.

It depends on how you define success. The only way for ND to "succeed" is to win 10+ games against a typically brutal regular season schedule, thereby making it into a BCS game. An SEC team can succeed by winning their division, even if they lose the championship game.

I do think ND would have an easier time of winning the SEC East than in making it to the BCS as an independent. Factor in the championship game and it's probably a wash.