Protest Erupts In Charlotte

[drayer54]

Yes it is. Having the internet helps. But the majority of Americans when quizzed identified it as part of the Declaration of Independence, or the Constitution. More than once.

How many respondents also had #feelthebern gear on?

 

[yankeehater]

The problem is he had a gun according reports.

Think about this.....I heard a military and police firearms expert (does training now for both) on a national radio show that had an amazing statistic. If a person has a gun in his hand down by his side, and the officer has a weapon pointed at said person the person can get off one round 9 out of 10 times before the officer gets off a single shot. Pretty scary because we all know it only takes one. The action is always quicker than the reaction.

 

[Domina Nostra]

The problem is he had a gun according reports.

Think about this.....I heard a military and police firearms expert (does training now for both) on a national radio show that had an amazing statistic. If a person has a gun in his hand down by his side, and the officer has a weapon pointed at said person the person can get off one round 9 out of 10 times before the officer gets off a single shot. Pretty scary because we all know it only takes one. The action is always quicker than the reaction.

This statistic is a perfect example of the main issue in this debate. If that were true, does it mean that--for all intensive purposes--the police are permitted to just kill anyone holding a gun without further explanation? They know they have no time to assess and react, so they could basically say any movement at all justifies putting the person down. And police are trained to always shoot for the center of the chest. So What do you do with that statistic?

 

[Irish YJ]

Reported where?

Put up a cite.

Sorry. Saw a blip on CNN (tv), and the girlfriend showed up. Got distracted....

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I'm deplorable.

No actually, you are fine. More than fine! I love you madly!

Your perspective on this position is a bit cattywampus, however.

 

[yankeehater]

This statistic is a perfect example of the main issue in this debate. If that were true, does it mean that--for all intensive purposes--the police are permitted to just kill anyone holding a gun without further explanation? They know they have no time to assess and react, so they could basically say any movement at all justifies putting the person down. And police are trained to always shoot for the center of the chest. So What do you do with that statistic?

The simple answer is drop your weapon. They demanded he do that and he didn't. I would imagine if he complied he would still be alive. If he drops the weapon and they still shoot, then they go to jail.

 

[BGIF]

Charlotte man shot by police allegedly stabbed wife, threatened to kill family, documents show | Fox News

Published September 27, 2016 FoxNews.com

Keith Lamont Scott, the 43-year-old North Carolina man shot and killed after a confrontation with Charlotte police, allegedly stabbed his wife, hit one of his children and threatened to kill his family, his wife claimed in multiple requests for domestic violence protective orders, one of which she filed last year.

Local media obtained the documents. In 2004, Rakeyia Scott wrote that her husband "assaulted me several times by stabbing me in the back almost puncturing my lungs, he sliced me [sic] ear, and bruised my body," Fox 46 reported.

In October of 2015, she wrote, "He hit my 8 year old in the head a total of three times with is [sic] fist... He kicked me and threaten [sic] to kill us last night with his gun. He said he is a 'killer' and we should know that." She also said he carried a 9mm handgun but did not have a permit for it, WSOC reported.

Both orders were ultimately dismissed later when Scott's wife said he no longer posed a threat to the family, Fox 46 added.

Rakeyia Scott reportedly recorded video of her husband's encounter with police last week. Police have said he was armed, but witnesses say he held only a book. The 2 1/2-minute video does not show the shooting, though gunshots can be heard.

The gun recovered at the scene of Scott's shooting had been stolen and later sold to Scott, a Charlotte-Mecklenburg police source told The Associated Press on Monday.

The department said plainclothes officers who saw Scott with a gun and marijuana left the area to put on vests identifying them as police before confronting him.

...

These don't justify a shooting ... but if Scott thought the cops were coming for him ...

 

[BGIF]

Charlotte shooting victim's wife said he threatened family: court papers | Reuters

Tue Sep 27, 2016 | 4:21pm EDT
By Colleen Jenkins | WINSTON-SALEM, N.C.

...

Court documents showed that Scott's wife filed a notice of voluntary dismissal for the protective order against her husband on Oct. 16, 2015, saying he was no longer a threat to her or her family.

According to state records and media reports, Keith Scott had a criminal record in North Carolina, South Carolina and Texas, where he was convicted of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon in 2005.

Relatives have described him as a family man and a good person. Bamberg said that after Scott was badly hurt in a motorcycle accident in November 2015, his wife of 20 years nursed him back to health.

"At the time that the shooting incident occurred, he was required to take numerous medications daily for both pain as well as cognitive ability," Bamberg said. "His medication did affect him mentally."

What was he doing with a gun? A convicted felon ... with cognitive impairment?

 

[BGIF]

Keith Scott WAS carrying stolen gun – and his wife filed for a restraining order | Daily Mail Online

By CLEMENCE MICHALLON FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
PUBLISHED: 18:16 EST, 26 September 2016 | UPDATED: 22:06 EST, 26 September 2016


Much of the same stuff as the previous links but this article has photos the others don't including the gun, marijuana, and gun ankle holster.

Again these items aren't justification to shoot but seeing the cops surround his vehicle with him a convicted felon ... did he take action to keep from going to jail?

 

[BGIF]

Mr. Scott Knew He Was In Trouble

Mr. Scott Knew He Was In Trouble

Again not justification for police to shoot but enough for Scott to realize he was in a lot of trouble.


I checked NC Law to see if a felon is allowed to carry in N.C. which has an open carry law.

It is a crime.


http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/enactedlegislation/statutes/pdf/byarticle/chapter_14/article_54a.pdf

Article 54A.
The Felony Firearms Act.
§ 14-415.1. Possession of firearms, etc., by felon prohibited.
(a) It shall be unlawful for any person who has been convicted of a felony to purchase,
own, possess, or have in his custody, care, or control any firearm ...


Every person violating the provisions of this section shall be punished as a Class G felon.
(b) Prior convictions which cause disentitlement under this section shall only include:
(1) Felony convictions in North Carolina that occur before, on, or after December
1, 1995; and
(2) Repealed by Session Laws 1995, c. 487, s. 3, effective December 1, 1995.
(3) Violations of criminal laws of other states or of the United States that occur
before, on, or after December 1, 1995, and that are substantially similar to the
crimes covered in subdivision (1) which are punishable where committed by
imprisonment for a term exceeding one year.

When a person is charged under this section, records of prior convictions of any offense, whether
in the courts of this State, or in the courts of any other state or of the United States, shall be
admissible in evidence for the purpose of proving a violation of this section.

...

N.B

According to court records, Mr. Scott was born in South Carolina, was about six feet tall and weighed 230 to 250 pounds. While living in South Carolina in the 1990s, he was charged with a number of offenses including check fraud, aggravated assault and carrying a concealed weapon. Later, he moved to Texas where he shot and wounded a man in San Antonio in 2002, for which he was convicted and sentenced, in 2005, to seven years in prison. He was released in 2011.

https://theconservativetreehouse.co...ence-including-arrest-for-shooting-at-police/

North Carolina
Mid-Level Felonies

Some mid-level felonies also carry the possibility of intensive probation, depending on the defendant's criminal record. Examples of mid-level Class E, Class F, or Class G felony offenses include violent assaults, involuntary manslaughter, habitual driving while impaired, common-law robbery, and some sexual assaults. However, a conviction for a mid-level felony offense could result in a lengthy prison sentence, and some drug trafficking crimes carry mandatory minimum jail sentences.

Felonies Explained: Types of Felonies and Examples

 

[IrishBroker]

Again not justification for police to shoot but enough for Scott to realize he was in a lot of trouble.


I checked NC Law to see if a felon is allowed to carry in N.C. which has an open carry law.

It is a crime.


http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/enactedlegislation/statutes/pdf/byarticle/chapter_14/article_54a.pdf



N.B

https://theconservativetreehouse.co...ence-including-arrest-for-shooting-at-police/





Felonies Explained: Types of Felonies and Examples

Of course...he knew this. So does everyone else with half a brain. Same with many other of these cases. (Of course there are those that are just plain excessive police behavior)

But it's not about logic and reason. It's about revenge and narrative. It's about giving criminals an excuse because of political correctness.

 

[RDU Irish]

Charlotte man shot by police allegedly stabbed wife, threatened to kill family, documents show | Fox News

Published September 27, 2016 FoxNews.com



These don't justify a shooting ... but if Scott thought the cops were coming for him ...

"In October of 2015, she wrote, "He hit my 8 year old in the head a total of three times with is [sic] fist... He kicked me and threaten [sic] to kill us last night with his gun. He said he is a 'killer' and we should know that." She also said he carried a 9mm handgun but did not have a permit for it, WSOC reported."

Initial reports had the family and friends adamant that he did not have a gun or own a gun.....yet her own report from 2015 discusses a 9mm and threatening to kill his own family.....

So maybe Obama and Hillary can tell these folks to drop their guns and comply with police.

 

[ginman]

I wish you could all just leave out the facts, it tends to obfuscate the narrative! Fortunately not many people are interested in them anyway.

 

[Bishop2b5]

 

[BGIF]

Charging Decision Expected in Charlotte Police Shooting | www.wokv.com
By Mark Becker
WSOCTV.com Posted: 9:21 a.m. Wednesday, Nov. 30, 2016

CHARLOTTE, N.C. — The family of Keith Lamont Scott, the man shot and killed in September by police in Charlotte, North Carolina, is set to meet with prosecutors Wednesday morning and learn whether charges will be filed against the officer who fired the fatal shot.

After the meeting, prosecutors will make a public announcement on that decision.

...

 

[BGIF]

Officer Vinson Will Not Be Charged, Lawful Shooting of Scott

Officer Vinson Will Not Be Charged, Lawful Shooting of Scott

MSNBC is showing live Andrew Murray, Mecklenburg Co DA PC.

Officer Vincent saw Mr Scott enter a convenience store wearing an ankle holster with a gun. He also had a cigarillo believed to be marijuana. This was captured on convenience store video.

The cop called for backup. When backup arrived cops conferred about course of action and put on vests and police markings.

They approached him and told him to get out of the car. He took a deep sigh and started to exit. One cop yelled, "GUN, GUN". Then the shooting took place. Prosecutor noted that no video captured the gun in Vinson's hand BUT the video do show the bulge of the empty holster where the gun was in the convenience store video.

I can't keep up with the item by item timeline. Bottom line the cops acted as trained when facing a life threatening situation. Officers on scene were in radio contact with headquarters.

Mr Scott got out of the car, stepped back, eyeballed the cops. Officer Vinson was aware that Vinson was armed, had a record, and was armed with an illegal weapon. Vinson saw Scott reach from gun and shoot.

Prosecutor then described the entry wounds and CSI analysis of bullet trajectories.

Scott's DNA and fingerprint was found on slide and grip of the gun. DA established gun's change of possession from theft to purchase. Police have corroboration between the seller and a third party. DA went over that corroboration including use of a charge or debit card.

A notebook belonging to Mrs Scott was found in the truck it did not match the "book" described by witnesses. Some witnesses said another or other cops shot Scott, not Officer Vinson. Ballistics confirmed all 4 bullets shot from Vinson's gun. One witness described a white officer shooting Scott. Vinson is black. Another witness also claimed a white shooter. That witness's line of sight from his window turned out to be blocked by a tree. Another witness said Scott had his hand up. There was no corroboration of that. Witnesses statements varied greatly.

Mrs Scott was attempted to be interrogated at the hospital but her attorney stopped the interview. She later stated the cops did not try to interview her. She later stated that 4 white officers shot Scott and no black officer was on the scene.

Prosecutor decision: Officer Vinson fired lawfully. He then backed up his reasoning step by step.

I don't recall Ferguson, Baltimore or other cities providing this much detail before a charge.

Q&A
Scott was on mind altering drugs but the officers didn't know that at time, it later determined by autopsy.

63 FBI agents worked on the case spending more than 2300 hours.

He was shot because he drew the gun, was warned several times (up to 10 times) to drop the gun, and did not. DA explained reaction time for officer seeing an armed person raise gun. Officer at the site has to make that judgement.

 

[military_irish]

MSNBC is showing live Andrew Murray, Mecklenburg Co DA PC.

Officer Vincent saw Mr Scott enter a convenience store wearing an ankle holster with a gun. He also had a cigarillo believed to be marijuana. This was captured on convenience store video.

The cop called for backup. When backup arrived cops conferred about course of action and put on vests and police markings.

They approached him and told him to get out of the car. He took a deep sigh and started to exit. One cop yelled, "GUN, GUN". Then the shooting took place. Prosecutor noted that no video captured the gun in Vinson's hand BUT the video do show the bulge of the empty holster where the gun was in the convenience store video.

I can't keep up with the item by item timeline. Bottom line the cops acted as trained when facing a life threatening situation. Officers on scene were in radio contact with headquarters.

Mr Scott got out of the car, stepped back, eyeballed the cops. Officer Vinson was aware that Vinson was armed, had a record, and was armed with an illegal weapon. Vinson saw Scott reach from gun and shoot.

Prosecutor then described the entry wounds and CSI analysis of bullet trajectories.

Scott's DNA and fingerprint was found on slide and grip of the gun. DA established gun's change of possession from theft to purchase. Police have corroboration between the seller and a third party. DA went over that corroboration including use of a charge or debit card.

A notebook belonging to Mrs Scott was found in the truck it did not match the "book" described by witnesses. Some witnesses said another or other cops shot Scott, not Officer Vinson. Ballistics confirmed all 4 bullets shot from Vinson's gun. One witness described a white officer shooting Scott. Vinson is black. Another witness also claimed a white shooter. That witness's line of sight from his window turned out to be blocked by a tree. Another witness said Scott had his hand up. There was no corroboration of that. Witnesses statements varied greatly.

Mrs Scott was attempted to be interrogated at the hospital but her attorney stopped the interview. She later stated the cops did not try to interview her. She later stated that 4 white officers shot Scott and no black officer was on the scene.

Prosecutor decision: Officer Vinson fired lawfully. He then backed up his reasoning step by step.

I don't recall Ferguson, Baltimore or other cities providing this much detail before a charge.

Q&A
Scott was on mind altering drugs but the officers didn't know that at time, it later determined by autopsy.

63 FBI agents worked on the case spending more than 2300 hours.

He was shot because he drew the gun, was warned several times (up to 10 times) to drop the gun, and did not. DA explained reaction time for officer seeing an armed person raise gun. Officer at the site has to make that judgement.

I seen the video and believe the officer acted accordingly but if that was Mr. Scott's gun wouldn't his DNA and fingerprints be on the slide and grip anyways?

 

[BGIF]

I seen the video and believe the officer acted accordingly but if that was Mr. Scott's gun wouldn't his DNA and fingerprints be on the slide and grip anyways?

Yes, and that establishes that he had a gun. AND, that nobody else's DNA/fingerprints were on it as would be the case if a cop removed it from Scott's holster and planted it or in the planting of a throwaway gun. If the gun was wiped clean to remove cops DNA/fingerprints they would have removed Scott's I.D. as well. That was also the reason to document the chain of possession of the gun from the theft to the sale to Scott to establish it was Scott's.

 

[military_irish]

Yes, and that establishes that he had a gun. AND, that nobody else's DNA/fingerprints were on it as would be the case if a cop removed it from Scott's holster and planted it or in the planting of a throwaway gun. If the gun was wiped clean to remove cops DNA/fingerprints they would have removed Scott's I.D. as well. That was also the reason to document the chain of possession of the gun from the theft to the sale to Scott to establish it was Scott's.

That makes sense.

 

[BGIF]

Right to carry states

Right to carry states

Interesting point raised by a legal talking head on CNN.

Most open carry states require you to have the gun in a holster. NC does not.

This raises the question that if you remove the gun from the holster in NC and have it at your side are you "brandishing"?

A retired federal officer said it doesn't matter when ordered by an officer to put the gun down, or drop the gun, you are required to do so.