Protest Erupts In Charlotte

[BGIF]

Protest erupts after police kill black man in North Carolina | Reuters

9/21/16 5:21 am

By Greg Lacour | CHARLOTTE, N.C.
Protesters blocked a highway and clashed with police in Charlotte, North Carolina, early on Wednesday morning after officers fatally shot a black man they said had a gun when they approached him in a parking lot.

About a dozen officers and several protesters suffered non-life threatening injuries during an hours-long demonstration near where Keith Lamont Scott, 43, was shot by a policeman on Tuesday afternoon, police and local media said on social media.

Early Wednesday morning, protesters blocked Interstate 85, where they stole boxes from trucks and started fires before police used flash grenades in an attempt to disperse the angry crowd, an ABC affiliate in Charlotte reported.

A group of protesters then tried to break into a Walmart store before police arrived and began guarding its front entryway, video footage by local media showed.

Earlier in the evening, police in riot gear reportedly used tear gas on protesters who threw rocks and water bottles at them as they wielded large sticks and blocked traffic. One officer was sent to the hospital after being struck in the head by a rock, police said.

Charlotte Mayor Jennifer Roberts urged for calm.

"The community deserves answers and (a) full investigation will ensue," she said on Twitter, adding in a subsequent post, "I want answers too."

Scott was shot by officer Brentley Vinson earlier in the day, according to Charlotte-Mecklenburg police. The shooting occurred when officers were at an apartment complex searching for a suspect with an outstanding warrant and they saw Scott get out of his vehicle with a firearm, the department said.

Vinson fired his weapon and struck Scott, who "posed an imminent deadly threat to the officers," the department said in a statement.

Vinson, who joined the Charlotte police force in July 2014, is black, according to the department. He has been placed on paid administrative leave.

 

[BGIF]

I read several news reports and have seen some TV reports.

Scott, a black man, was shoot by Officer Vinson, a black man.

Police were searching for a suspect on an outstanding warrant. The suspect was a a different person who was not Scott. According to police, Scott drove up an got out of the car with a gun. Vinson shot him due to "imminent deadly threat to police officers".


None of the reports mentioned if Scott had a gun in his hand or in a holster. Police recovered a gun at the scene. Family members dispute he had a gun.

The reports did not mentioned if Vinson ordered Scott to drop the weapon.

There was also no mention of body cameras or dash cams although Charlotte Mecklenburg PD purchased body cams last September.

There is a lot of details not yet reported.

 

[irishff1014]

You can't fix stupid.

 

[Wingman Ray]

Cant figure out the logic here. Black man gets shot by another black man so it is okay to loot and sack the local Walmart???? WTH did Walmart do to warrant the aggression other than have stuff to steal inside???

So why dont they just say crowd wants to burglarize Walmart because it was mid month and the welfare check is spent??

 

[irishff1014]

Cant figure out the logic here. Black man gets shot by another black man so it is okay to loot and sack the local Walmart???? WTH did Walmart do to warrant the aggression other than have stuff to steal inside???

So why dont they just say crowd wants to burglarize Walmart because it was mid month and the welfare check is spent??

See above post

 

[Bogtrotter07]

You can't fix stupid.

Ain't that the troof!

BGIF is the only one who posted facts or pertinent information in this thread.

I dare the rest of you to come and take a walk with me and stay that out loud (to a group of my family and friends.)

 

[Irish Insanity]

Cant figure out the logic here. Black man gets shot by another black man so it is okay to loot and sack the local Walmart???? WTH did Walmart do to warrant the aggression other than have stuff to steal inside???

So why dont they just say crowd wants to burglarize Walmart because it was mid month and the welfare check is spent??

See above post

Did he just link Walmart, welfare, looting, and black people?

Man Wingman, your posts have been really good lately. This isn't one of them.

 

[wizards8507]

Can we please stop saying "protests" when we mean "riots"? It's disingenuous.

Did he just link Walmart, welfare, looting, and black people?

Man Wingman, your posts have been really good lately. This isn't one of them.

Black people did loot a Walmart because a black man was shot and killed by a black cop. That's not racist, it's a statement of fact. I can't speak to whether the looters are welfare recipients, but I think it's safe to assume that the people who loot Walmarts are not the most financially secure individuals.

 

[Irishcop]

God Damnit, another one. Add this to Tulsa and all the other one's this year and last. My job just keeps getting better by the minute.... I wasn't at any police shooting this year or last, so I do not know what happened, but just great��!!!!!!!!! I'm seriously thinking about hanging it up and finding another profession. I seriously don't know if it's training or police departments are just hiring scared asses to put in a uniform but it seems that some officers are pretty quick to go for the gun real quick lately. I've dealt with a lot of armed people in my 16 years on the job, thank God I've never had to jerk off on the trigger. I just don't understand the amount of police involved shooting lately.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

God Damnit, another one. Add this to Tulsa and all the other one's this year and last. My job just keeps getting better by the minute.... I wasn't at any police shooting this year or last, so I do not know what happened, but just greatí*½í±!!!!!!!!! I'm seriously thinking about hanging it up and finding another profession. I seriously don't know if it's training or police departments are just hiring scared asses to put in a uniform but it seems that some officers are pretty quick to go for the gun real quick lately. I've dealt with a lot of armed people in my 16 years on the job, thank God I've never had to jerk off on the trigger. I just don't understand the amount of police involved shooting lately.

Hang in there bro. We need good cops like you to stick around. Thanks for your work.


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[Buster Bluth]

You can't fix stupid.

Sure you can, with education. The sort of education these neighborhoods never get.

Somehow people continue to not understand that these riots/protests aren't ultimately about specific police actions or even the race of the officer but are merely the boiling point between a group of people who feel they've always been disenfranchised, etc and the front-line enforcers of said disenfranchisement.

These same people continue to not understand that riots are inherently illogical. Uneducated masses have been burning their own cities down for thousands of years. In a fitting coincidence, they might be smarter about what they burn down if they were given a half-way decent education like the people usually just five miles in any direction from their schools.

 

[kmoose]

Ain't that the troof!

BGIF is the only one who posted facts or pertinent information in this thread.
I dare the rest of you to come and take a walk with me and stay that out loud (to a group of my family and friends.)

You do realize that it is perfectly acceptable for people to offer their opinions on subjects, on an internet message board?

 

[RDU Irish]

Newborn nursery "drop-in" has baby urine test positive for MJ and cocaine. Mom's response "my sister don't do coke?" - b/c she had her sister piss in her newborn baby's urine collection bag to "foil" the drug screening that she is subjected to by social services. And our society sends this baby home with mom eventually. No clue what race these folks were but an absolutely true story from my wife last week.

But Buster- you keep blaming the schools.

 

[wizards8507]

Sure you can, with education. The sort of education these neighborhoods never get.

Somehow people continue to not understand that these riots/protests aren't ultimately about specific police actions or even the race of the officer but are merely the boiling point between a group of people who feel they've always been disenfranchised, etc and the front-line enforcers of said disenfranchisement.

These same people continue to not understand that riots are inherently illogical. Uneducated masses have been burning their own cities down for thousands of years. In a fitting coincidence, they might be smarter about what they burn down if they were given a half-way decent education like the people usually just five miles in any direction from their schools.

You can't be serious.

What "education" do you need before you learn "don't burn down a fucking gas station"?

 

[Irish Insanity]

The problem is most of this isn't just 1 generation deep. It's learned from their parents who learned it from their parents who learned it from their parents and so on.

 

[Domina Nostra]

God Damnit, another one. Add this to Tulsa and all the other one's this year and last. My job just keeps getting better by the minute.... I wasn't at any police shooting this year or last, so I do not know what happened, but just great��!!!!!!!!! I'm seriously thinking about hanging it up and finding another profession. I seriously don't know if it's training or police departments are just hiring scared asses to put in a uniform but it seems that some officers are pretty quick to go for the gun real quick lately. I've dealt with a lot of armed people in my 16 years on the job, thank God I've never had to jerk off on the trigger. I just don't understand the amount of police involved shooting lately.

I wonder if it really an increase, or just the appearance of an increase resulting from cameras?

I suspect its some of both. As the whole idea of shared values breaks down, people have less reason to trust each other. It's harder to police in that environment.

 

[kmoose]

Sure you can, with education. The sort of education these neighborhoods never get.

Why not? It's available to them. You see, the truth of the education dilemma Buster, is that it is HARD WORK to get a good education. And many of these students from poor areas don't have the support system, at home, that they need in order to succeed. They need parents who will make education a priority. Parents who will demand that they go to school, do the work, and don't quit even when it is hard. They DON'T need the drug dealers, pimps, gang bangers, and other pressures that label them as "suckas" if they try to get educated. But these neighborhoods are FULL of those people. And if the police try to aggressively remove those people from these neighborhoods? Well, then they get labelled as racists who are unfairly targeting minorities. No amount of investment in schools in extremely poor neighborhoods is going to give society any kind of return, unless those other factors are addressed at the same time. To be fair, though, and to your point: Addressing those other factors without making any investment in those schools is not going to bring any good results, either.

 

[RDU Irish]

Why not? It's available to them. You see, the truth of the education dilemma Buster, is that it is HARD WORK to get a good education. And many of these students from poor areas don't have the support system, at home, that they need in order to succeed. They need parents who will make education a priority. Parents who will demand that they go to school, do the work, and don't quit even when it is hard. They DON'T need the drug dealers, pimps, gang bangers, and other pressures that label them as "suckas" if they try to get educated. But these neighborhoods are FULL of those people. And if the police try to aggressively remove those people from these neighborhoods? Well, then they get labelled as racists who are unfairly targeting minorities. No amount of investment in schools in extremely poor neighborhoods is going to give society any kind of return, unless those other factors are addressed at the same time. To be fair, though, and to your point: Addressing those other factors without making any investment in those schools is not going to bring any good results, either.

Public boarding schools and more compassionate (to kids) policies toward removing kids from bad situations. Situation like I point out above should have that kid up for adoption never to speak to mom again. Show up drunk or high to give birth to a child and you are unfit to be a part of their life, put that on the "you had one job" ESPN clip - you don't respect that life in utero what makes anyone think you will respect it for the next 18 years? That child's success should not be dependent on their parent pulling their head out of their ass. Shouldn't have to go to Russia to get a strings free adoption in this country.

 

[ACamp1900]

all kinds of tragic in this thread... smh at pretty much all of it.

 

[IrishBroker]

You can't be serious.

What "education" do you need before you learn "don't burn down a fucking gas station"?

Thank you.

You wanna protest? Fine, I support that....I may disagree, but it's your right. But you start burning down your community and harassing innocent people, you're an idiot. Don't hide behind "well, it's because of...."

And every time a cop shoots someone, it's as if they are all lumped in together as one big issue...which is more rhetoric. These cases are all independent of each other and involve different people and different circumstances. It's frustrating to watch a community burn before there is even an investigation.

Sure, we can be better as a society...body cams and better police vetting will help, which is already taking place. So when are the people who are burning things down going to do THEIR part?

 

[Irishcop]

Thank you.

You wanna protest? Fine, I support that....I may disagree, but it's your right. But you start burning down your community and harassing innocent people, you're an idiot. Don't hide behind "well, it's because of...."

And every time a cop shoots someone, it's as if they are all lumped in together as one big issue...which is more rhetoric. These cases are all independent of each other and involve different people and different circumstances. It's frustrating to watch a community burn before there is even an investigation.

Sure, we can be better as a society...body cams and better police vetting will help, which is already taking place. So when are the people who are burning things down going to do THEIR part?

Well said.

 

[Wingman Ray]

Thank you.

You wanna protest? Fine, I support that....I may disagree, but it's your right. But you start burning down your community and harassing innocent people, you're an idiot. Don't hide behind "well, it's because of...."

And every time a cop shoots someone, it's as if they are all lumped in together as one big issue...which is more rhetoric. These cases are all independent of each other and involve different people and different circumstances. It's frustrating to watch a community burn before there is even an investigation.

Sure, we can be better as a society...body cams and better police vetting will help, which is already taking place. So when are the people who are burning things down going to do THEIR part?

110% this.

I dont get it. I grew up poor in a podunk little town with crappy,poor schools. I busted my butt working two jobs in college to be in a position to get a job that would better my and my family's lives. It is called hard work and if you keep at it, you will succeed. What kills me is these people that just want EVERYTHING handed to them for nothing. Just another excuse to raise caine until someone gives them something for free.

I mean seriously, what did Walmart due to warrant get sacked? Did the cop work at walmart? No. Thats just a way to do what they want to do under the disguise of some self perceived social injustice

 

[Irishcop]

Hang in there bro. We need good cops like you to stick around. Thanks for your work.


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Thanks.

 

[autry_denson]

You can't fix stupid.

thought I might weigh in on this incident, but then I read your message and realized you're probably right.

 

[GATTACA!]

110% this.

I dont get it. I grew up poor in a podunk little town with crappy,poor schools. I busted my butt working two jobs in college to be in a position to get a job that would better my and my family's lives. It is called hard work and if you keep at it, you will succeed. What kills me is these people that just want EVERYTHING handed to them for nothing. Just another excuse to raise caine until someone gives them something for free.

I mean seriously, what did Walmart due to warrant get sacked? Did the cop work at walmart? No. Thats just a way to do what they want to do under the disguise of some self perceived social injustice

#racist

 

[IrishBroker]

The problem now is that any type of attention that should be spent on fixing the issue of police and the black community, is now focused on the response.

Cop shoots someone, communities burn.

It's getting us no where.

 

[Irish#1]

Sure you can, with education. The sort of education these neighborhoods never get.

Somehow people continue to not understand that these riots/protests aren't ultimately about specific police actions or even the race of the officer but are merely the boiling point between a group of people who feel they've always been disenfranchised, etc and the front-line enforcers of said disenfranchisement.

These same people continue to not understand that riots are inherently illogical. Uneducated masses have been burning their own cities down for thousands of years. In a fitting coincidence, they might be smarter about what they burn down if they were given a half-way decent education like the people usually just five miles in any direction from their schools.

My 93 year old mother in-law only has a 7th grade education. Pretty sure she knows it's not right to break into or try to burn down a WalMart.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Sure you can, with education. The sort of education these neighborhoods never get.

Somehow people continue to not understand that these riots/protests aren't ultimately about specific police actions or even the race of the officer but are merely the boiling point between a group of people who feel they've always been disenfranchised, etc and the front-line enforcers of said disenfranchisement.

These same people continue to not understand that riots are inherently illogical. Uneducated masses have been burning their own cities down for thousands of years. In a fitting coincidence, they might be smarter about what they burn down if they were given a half-way decent education like the people usually just five miles in any direction from their schools.

Weak. These "neighborhoods" have the same educational standards as the rest of the neighborhoods in that particular state. All the teachers hold the same certification. The population makes the school, not the other way around.

 

[Irish#1]

Thank you.

You wanna protest? Fine, I support that....I may disagree, but it's your right. But you start burning down your community and harassing innocent people, you're an idiot. Don't hide behind "well, it's because of...."

And every time a cop shoots someone, it's as if they are all lumped in together as one big issue...which is more rhetoric. These cases are all independent of each other and involve different people and different circumstances. It's frustrating to watch a community burn before there is even an investigation.

Sure, we can be better as a society...body cams and better police vetting will help, which is already taking place. So when are the people who are burning things down going to do THEIR part?

You can thank the media for some of this. I heard the report on the local news. It mentioned the victim being black, but never mentioned the policeman being black. They like to tailor their stories just enough to keep the pot stirred so they have something exciting to report on.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

You do realize that it is perfectly acceptable for people to offer their opinions on subjects, on an internet message board?

Yes.

That is why I did. I felt it was susinct and to the point. And clearly my opinion.

Everyone between my post and BGIF's didn't seem to have the same quality of thought BGIF put into the original post. Or of those that came later including but not limited to IrishCop and Buster.

Buster is right on. Where ever in the world you concentrate violence, ignorance, and poverty, you get the same reaction. (Just like the Charlotte protestors.) And of course the opposite side of the equation is that it is just like when you gather a bunch of the privileged that observe it. (Just like the kneejerk posters here who continue to post their clichéd, worn out prejudices, that are critical of the situation and all people of a race (African-American), without the slightest clue of what is going on. Logic is out the door!

Here is the test of the bigotry that I am opposed to in this thread : In my neighborhood of around 500 homes, I can think of 25 or 30, off of the top of my head, that are occupied by one or more person that is 'black,' as some insist on saying. If I would take all of those people, and put them in a room and show them any of these shootings, no one would react by rioting!

Why? Because as Buster stated, or strongly implied, they were raised with some semblance of the overwhelming advantages of the white boys club, that is fit to sit in judgment of these events. When didn't your Christian God warn you about sitting in judgement, once or twice? Mine did.

What I would feel comfortable about doing is drilling down and discussing why something like this happens. Now that would be a room for people to show their intelligence! Of course I don't have much hope for that.

People just want to stay with their tried and true prejudices, because they don't feel comfortable with anything else, anything beyond.

I subscribe to the Chaos Theory, and its iterations in everyday life. I see human behavior as expanding symmetry, (eliminating time as a variable), or at least evolving symmetry, that because of our limited perspective looks to be small magnifications of the Mandelbrot set. (I think I had an interesting conversation with a UND Professor about this not too many years ago.)

So that being said if you agree with me, agreeing with Buster, that these incidents show the illogic of repressed people. (Remember the people of Western Europe rioted in the street not too many centuries ago when the switch was made from the Julian to the Gregorian calendar, because all the commoners saw is that the calendar was moving forward ten days in the month of October of 1582, so they were pissed off they were being cheated out of 10 days!)

I see the same illogic taking over the Presidential election in 2016. We are going to put a totally unqualified liar in the White House because we are pissed at the system! I honestly see no more illogic in those in poverty burning their neighborhoods down around them, than the American electorate playing Russian-roulette with Donald Trump.

I would certainly entertain and comments, criticisms, or discourse on the matter.