Presidential Election 2024

[Bluto]

Would take a lot of funds and take a lot of effort to locate all these individuals. Will be a bit surprised if he can get even half of that number deported in 4 years.

I would not underestimate the levels of crazy some of the sycophants that he chooses to surround and align himself with will go to. I mean they did try to orchestrate a coup. Many of them are not rational actors. Rudy Giuliani would be exhibit A for this argument.

 

[Bluto]

They’ve been saying Trump will get us nuked by NK called trump and bush Jr nazi’s for many, many years. But when u cry wolf….They have nothing else but delusional fear to keep the dem cattle in the pasture. After awhile u just realize it’s the media/Dems that are full of shit. Last four years we’ve seen political persecution left and right by Dems, we better correct the FBI, etc. while we can.

So, enforcing the law is persecution? Interesting concept. Isn’t that the same argument people use for open borders?

 

[ab2cmiller]

I would not underestimate the levels of crazy some of the sycophants that he chooses to surround and align himself with will go to. I mean they did try to orchestrate a coup. Many of them are not rational actors. Rudy Giuliani would be exhibit A for this argument.

LOL

What Trump asked Pence to do was terrible in my view. But was far from a coup.

 

[Bluto]

LOL

What Trump asked Pence to do was terrible in my view. But was far from a coup.

I see. It went quite a bit further than that.

 

[irishff1014]

About time Nevada and Arizona finished fucking around. Damn it that was a whipping

 

[JadedDomer]

I have no questions as to why the democratic party is in shambles.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

The Democrats certainly did a good job of showing everyone how not to run a campaign. They didn’t do a single thing well.

True, albeit the circumstances were unprecedented in our lifetime. They had 107 days after Dark Brandon stepped aside, which everyone wanted him to after the debate.

 

[Wild Bill]

Here's what I predict we will actually see. This won't be perfectly accurate obviously, but pretty close:

- Reduction in corporate taxes. Believe they're are 21% now, Kamala wanted 28%, Trump will lower to around 15%. Companies having money is good, more growth, more jobs, higher 401ks for all.
- Immediate removal of illegal/non-citizens who commit crime. He can't remove 10-20M day 1, but will start with the egregious.
- Obviously, immediately stop s$x changes on minors. No more men in women's sports.
- Allow oil drilling permits, removing all bans or recently implemented regulations
- Lowered federal income taxes. I would not be surprised at all if he moved it to ~15% for the middle class who currently pays ~25%.
- Election integrity. No more ballot dump boxes, perhaps no machines, limited voting window (no more voting month).
- Secure border. This may involve finishing funding to close the wall if he can get it, but if not, more manual efforts and policies.

A lot of other things will be done but I think these are the big ones. If this is facism, sign me up.

Middle-class Americans aren't paying an effective tax rate of 25%. A married couple would need to earn over $380k to enter the 24% federal tax bracket, and that rate only applies to income exceeding $380k. The effective tax rate for a couple earning $380,000 is around 20% or less (depends on deductions/dependents) For a couple making $190k, which is likely closer to the high end of what might be considered middle class, the effective tax rate is roughly 15%.

I think the biggest changes we will see to individual income taxes is whether they extend the cap on SALT deductions, which expires soon, and changes to child tax credits. The SALT cap is a big one, b/c it hammers blue states, so I assume Trump and/or the Rs use it as leverage in negotiations to secure other tax changes that benefit their constituents or donors.

 

[SeekNDestroy]

True, albeit the circumstances were unprecedented in our lifetime. They had 107 days after Dark Brandon stepped aside, which everyone wanted him to after the debate.

It started way back when the DNC allowed Biden to run again. He should’ve been forced to keep his word to not run again. Then there would’ve been a primary and Harris would not have been nominated.

 

[ab2cmiller]

What's weird is that if Biden would've waited another month to pull out, Kamala probably gets elected. She was doing better until she actually had to start doing interviews and trying to explain herself.

The brutal misstep of not being able to answer a question on The View on what she would've done different during Biden's Presidency was tripping over the hurdle coming down the main stretch.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Some of you conveniently forget how batshit crazy the Trump administration was. It certainly wasn’t a “normal” Republican administration.

Trump has been anything but normal from day one when he rode down the escalator in 2015 announcing he was running. Immediate red flags from start to present.

You want real batshit crazy? Go into some of these states and see the state legislators they have winning elections, crafting and passing bills in the state capitals.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

It started way back when the DNC allowed Biden to run again. He should’ve been forced to keep his word to not run again. Then there would’ve been a primary and Harris would not have been nominated.

100% agreed.

 

[ab2cmiller]

 

[IrishLax]

Dems, ironically, won 5 of 6 major Swing State races (only trailing in PA Senate currently and that's coming down to the wire). Trump just thumped Kamala head-to-head.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Dems, ironically, won 5 of 6 major Swing State races (only trailing in PA Senate currently and that's coming down to the wire). Trump just thumped Kamala head-to-head.

All the crazy conspiracy theories based off of vote totals when California was only 60% counted as well as some of the other western states. The vote totals will climb.

 

[Wild Bill]

It started way back when the DNC allowed Biden to run again. He should’ve been forced to keep his word to not run again. Then there would’ve been a primary and Harris would not have been nominated.

The problem for DNC was the absence of a clear frontrunner in a primary. The uncertainty may have been the deciding factor in peddling Kamala. Her losing to Trump may be viewed by them as a better outcome than the rise of a candidate like Bernie Sanders, who would have focused their platform more on progressive economic polices than social issues.

IMO, the Democrats’ most effective ticket would be a candidate who champions progressive economic policies with moderate social stances. Americans who are working, married, raising families, or planning to, don't give a shit about left wing social policies, and a large faction are absolutely disgusted by them, they just don't feel comfortable expressing it openly.

It seems that most people simply want the chance to earn a fair wage, access affordable housing, and raise a family in a safe community. Whether progressive economic policies can deliver on these goals is open for debate, but that’s not my point - my point is that this stuff matters more than any of the social nonsense they ram down our throats. Lately, it seems like Bernie is the only person on the left, at least at a national level, who seems to grasp this. Even though I don't agree with his policies, I do see it as an effective way to appeal to a lot of the voters the DNC has lost.

 

[Bluto]

Dems, ironically, won 5 of 6 major Swing State races (only trailing in PA Senate currently and that's coming down to the wire). Trump just thumped Kamala head-to-head.

Any idea where the remaining votes in PA are coming in from?

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Some of you conveniently forget how batshit crazy the Trump administration was. It certainly wasn’t a “normal” Republican administration.

Ever consider Trump dominated because his "normal" was no wars, gas prices around $2 a gallon, and inflation less than 3%?

 

[Giddyup]

True, albeit the circumstances were unprecedented in our lifetime. They had 107 days after Dark Brandon stepped aside, which everyone wanted him to after the debate.

*Dank Brandon

 

[NDMatt91]

The AP and Fox have already called the race, saying there are not enough outstanding votes, but Casey is saying there are 100k votes yet to be counted. Something doesn't smell right.

 

[Bishop2b5]

It won't on January 20th when all of the arrests start happening. Maybe Trump will be too busy implementing Project 2025 that the arrests will have to wait. Project 2025. Project 2025 Project 2025.

I've already ordered a Handmaid's Tale outfit for my wife. Looking forward to the concentration camps and maybe getting a slave or two again.

 

[Giddyup]

“The AP and Fox have already called the race, saying there are not enough outstanding votes, but Casey is saying there are 100k votes yet to be counted. Something doesn't smell right.”


They forgot to check the janitor’s closet.

 

[Giddyup]

Project 2025 was a sneaky little move by the neo cons and GOPe but Trump already said they are full of shit. Gave something for Dems to use and run with and run they did.

 

[ab2cmiller]

The AP and Fox have already called the race, saying there are not enough outstanding votes, but Casey is saying there are 100k votes yet to be counted. Something doesn't smell right.

Supposedly these 100k votes are from counties that more heavily supported McCormick. That’s why AP called the race

 

[ab2cmiller]

 

[BleedBlueGold]

The problem for DNC was the absence of a clear frontrunner in a primary. The uncertainty may have been the deciding factor in peddling Kamala. Her losing to Trump may be viewed by them as a better outcome than the rise of a candidate like Bernie Sanders, who would have focused their platform more on progressive economic polices than social issues.

IMO, the Democrats’ most effective ticket would be a candidate who champions progressive economic policies with moderate social stances. Americans who are working, married, raising families, or planning to, don't give a shit about left wing social policies, and a large faction are absolutely disgusted by them, they just don't feel comfortable expressing it openly.

It seems that most people simply want the chance to earn a fair wage, access affordable housing, and raise a family in a safe community. Whether progressive economic policies can deliver on these goals is open for debate, but that’s not my point - my point is that this stuff matters more than any of the social nonsense they ram down our throats. Lately, it seems like Bernie is the only person on the left, at least at a national level, who seems to grasp this. Even though I don't agree with his policies, I do see it as an effective way to appeal to a lot of the voters the DNC has lost.

To the bolded; I made this exact point earlier. I believe this election is really that simple. Democrats have ignored the middle class's pocket books while simultaneously insulting their core social beliefs. Throw rampant illegal immigration on top of it and "Boom goes the dynamite."

People want to be left the hell alone, they want to feel safe, they don't support tax dollars for war, they want to prosper based on their own merits, and they don't want social extremism thrust upon them. Whichever party gets that message, wins the elections. Currently, it's the GOP (which is crazy because my entire life, the GOP has been filled with corporate neocons. Now it appears to be the Dems' turn for such abandonment.)

 

[SeekNDestroy]

Ever consider Trump dominated because his "normal" was no wars, gas prices around $2 a gallon, and inflation less than 3%?

The average American doesn’t care about wars that don’t involve us, gas was $2 a gallon because of COVID shutdowns, and inflation happened because of COVID as well. Inflation was world wide and the US handled it better than anyone else. If Trump had done a better job handling COVID “it’s going to magically disappear” then inflation wouldn’t have been as bad. It was all about businesses raising prices to make up for their previous losses.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Would take a lot of funds and take a lot of effort to locate all these individuals. Will be a bit surprised if he can get even half of that number deported in 4 years.

No need to locate nor deport most of them. Simply cut off ALL services other than genuine emergency medical care, make it 100% illegal to provide housing or employ anyone here illegally and phase that in over a 12 month period with severe penalties for violations, and the vast majority will be forced to deport themselves and go back home. Take away the reasons for coming here illegally and the problem largely solves itself quickly.

 

[SeekNDestroy]

No need to locate nor deport most of them. Simply cut off ALL services other than genuine emergency medical care, make it 100% illegal to provide housing or employ anyone here illegally and phase that in over a 12 month period with severe penalties for violations, and the vast majority will be forced to deport themselves and go back home. Take away the reasons for coming here illegally and the problem largely solves itself quickly.

Who is going to work those jobs then? They aren’t taking jobs from Americans. They’re taking jobs that Americans won’t do. Unemployment is at 4.1%. I think it would be a disaster for the economy.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

The average American doesn’t care about wars that don’t involve us, gas was $2 a gallon because of COVID shutdowns, and inflation happened because of COVID as well. Inflation was world wide and the US handled it better than anyone else. If Trump had done a better job handling COVID “it’s going to magically disappear” then inflation wouldn’t have been as bad. It was all about businesses raising prices to make up for their previous losses.

Does sending US tax dollars to help with these wars count as being involved in your eyes? Because the average American would much rather keep that money at home.