Presidential Election 2024

[Bluto]

Why would you applaud this?

 

[CTIDANDREW]

I’m basing this mostly on the assumption that Trump, who will now largely be unconstrained and his admin go completely off the rails. History would seem to point toward that being highly probable. We’ll see.

Yep, totally understand that thought.
I guess I'm just a pessimist when it comes to these things, and most of those states coming up in 26 have been red when it comes to the senate for the majority of my lifetime (born in 91).

It would take something truly drastic in the next two years for the likely (4) needed seats to switch hands.
(2) years is a long time, so who knows.

Knowing the DNC they will likely spend 50% of thier overall budget on Texas, and convince the MSM they believe they have a chance just to finish with egg on thier face again.
I can't fault them for trying I guess, but has just felt like a fools errand for the past decade while plenty of purple state statewide races have gone to the RNC in that same timeline.

 

[Giddyup]

I may be wrong but it seemed Elon really stepped it up after the assassination attempt. It will be interesting to see if he wants a job in space exploration. I know he wants to establish a “colony” on mars in his lifetime.

 

[JadedDomer]

Trump just announced a day 1 EO saying any medical practice operating on minors for s*x changes will lose all federal funding immediately, any practice found to knowingly have continued practice after uncovering known long term consequences will be charged, and any school staff found suggesting gender transitions will be prosecuted.

I'm here for every piece of that.

 

[Giddyup]

100%

Essentially becoming a country of oligarchs.

You may not agree but most supporters believe trump supports more economic and civil freedom for the common man/woman.

 

[Giddyup]

Cuban put himself in the limelight a bunch recently. I chalked it up to ego in terms of a "him versus Elon" mindset. You could be right, but I feel like I recall a specific interview that he did where he was asked the question and he essentially said, yes, I'd do it if asked. I could be wrong though. Either way, point stands that I'm not a super fan of billionaires interjecting in politics.

Cuts both ways. I’d rather have a guy that made his own wealth so he doesn’t have to take special interest bribes (at least as little as possible in our current system). As long as they are for the greater good of the country and not just putting cronyism ahead of the greater interest.

 

[Bluto]

Cuts both ways. I’d rather have a guy that made his own wealth so he doesn’t have to take special interest bribes (at least as little as possible in our current system). As long as they are for the greater good of the country and not just putting cronyism ahead of the greater interest.

Do you really believe Musk, Cuban, Trump, Zuckerberg etc….are putting the greater good of the country ahead of cronyism or their own personal delusions of grandeur (can someone explain why colonizing mars is so important?) particularly if they didn’t have to actually earn said wealth?

Also, there are some simple solutions as far as restricting the influence of money in politics (public funding, spending limits, serious enforcement of existing laws, etc
…)

Unfortunately, with the Citizens United ruling the conservatives on the court decided putting constraints on political spending is the same as restraining free speech.

Seems pretty clear to me that political conservatives want a weird mix of oligarchy, aristocracy, Christianity and neo liberal economics and are actively working to promote that through the judiciary and legislation/public policy.

 

[Bluto]

Trump just announced a day 1 EO saying any medical practice operating on minors for s*x changes will lose all federal funding immediately, any practice found to knowingly have continued practice after uncovering known long term consequences will be charged, and any school staff found suggesting gender transitions will be prosecuted.

I'm here for every piece of that.

So, a school counselor working with a minor who is transgender and their family will be hauled into court?

 

[TorontoGold]

Funny thing is a lot of those people are now sucking up to Trump including Cuban. Why are they congratulating a man they were calling Hitler?

Because billionaires will always protect capital, in terms of political movements all they're good for is their resources. Anyone who thinks otherwise is an objective moron.

 

[Bluto]

Because billionaires will always protect capital, in terms of political movements all they're good for is their resources. Anyone who thinks otherwise is an objective moron.

It’s like nobody ever read Adam Smith.

 

[TorontoGold]

It’s like nobody ever read Adam Smith.

Or Marx, or Becker, or Solow, or Clark.

Economics is boring as shit but pretty straightforward.

 

[JadedDomer]

So, a school counselor working with a minor who is transgender and their family will be hauled into court?

Not technically from what I saw although the official language obviously isn't out. It read any school staffer suggesting to a kid he/she transition. And I 100% agree with that. If a kid brings it up that's one thing and has nothing to do with the school. If the school is pushing them to, see you later psycho.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

I suppose Ohio could be interesting as well depending on who is appointed to replace JD Vance

I doubt it.

 

[Irish#1]

Do you really believe Musk, Cuban, Trump, Zuckerberg etc….are putting the greater good of the country ahead of cronyism or their own personal delusions of grandeur (can someone explain why colonizing mars is so important?) particularly if they didn’t have to actually earn said wealth?

Also, there are some simple solutions as far as restricting the influence of money in politics (public funding, spending limits, serious enforcement of existing laws, etc
…)

Unfortunately, with the Citizens United ruling the conservatives on the court decided putting constraints on political spending is the same as restraining free speech.

Seems pretty clear to me that political conservatives want a weird mix of oligarchy, aristocracy, Christianity and neo liberal economics and are actively working to promote that through the judiciary and legislation/public policy.

Harris outspent Trump by a significant amount.

Conservatives just want to go back to "normal" as indicated by the voting.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Why would you applaud this?

It sucks. And if Soros had done it, it would also suck. Whatever the ideology, political preference, etc.

Billionaires made more billions yesterday once the result was clear and markets opened. They will continue to do so, and would still do so had Harris or Biden or just about anyone else had won.

I will not give money to a federal or state wide candidate. Ever. My money goes to my down ballot local candidates and into my community. These other people do not need it, whether I vote for them or not.

One way or another, this country won't get anywhere until we decide to stop wealth worship and value each other. Hard to have family values when you don't value families, no matter where they live or who they vote for.

 

[ab2cmiller]

 

[Blazers46]

Regarding Elon:

I, too, am worried about a billionaire with active stake in high-level-security companies having an admin role in the government. Someone asked earlier, but I didn't see it answered...do the same laws apply to Elon in terms of divesting interest during active governing? Mark Cuban was actively campaigning for and seeking a position in the Harris admin. People on the right would hate that. My general rule of thumb is to not tie my rooting interest to any billionaire, regardless of who's "team" he/she is "playing for."

Elon talked about how Biden's DOJ is going after him and explained in detail how insane it was. Taking him at his word, it does sound unbelievably batshit crazy, but I don't know any further details on the matter so it's hard to have any strong opinion regarding this particular case. Regardless, one would have to assume that human nature will take over and greed, ego, etc and the office will be used to his benefit. This should be alarming and at the very least warrant a close eye.

As far as X goes, it's entirely open sourced for transparency. I personally am a firm believer in free speech and I cringe at the idea of censorship, "disinformation" laws, etc. If/when you see throttling of liberal views and censorship on X, then let the freak out ensue. Until then, he should just divest and let someone else run it temporarily like any other company.

Billions or millions…. How much is too much? The majority of your political leaders are millionaires and out of touch and have their thumb in private companies. Optics it looks bad but it’s already gross.

 

[Bluto]

Harris outspent Trump by a significant amount.

Conservatives just want to go back to "normal" as indicated by the voting.

I understand Harris outspent Trump. That’s an example of the larger problem.

I think you are confusing people who voted largely on economic issues revolving around recent inflation and the current conservative movement (federalist society, heritage foundation, Opus Dei, etc…). I’m talking about the later.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

I think if the DNC looked at Colorado and Washington in terms of how to run their party instead of New York, they might do a bit better going forward. Considering those two states were the only two who shifted left instead of right this cycle, maybe it's worth a shot to take a look at what those state parties did to swing more voters when the rest of the country went the other way.

 

[SeekNDestroy]

Harris outspent Trump by a significant amount.

Conservatives just want to go back to "normal" as indicated by the voting.

Trump is anything but “normal.”

 

[ab2cmiller]

Trump is anything but “normal.”

He meant "normal" as compared to the lefties. LOL

 

[SeekNDestroy]

He meant "normal" as compared to the lefties. LOL

Some of you conveniently forget how batshit crazy the Trump administration was. It certainly wasn’t a “normal” Republican administration.

 

[NDVirginia19]

Some of you conveniently forget how batshit crazy the Trump administration was. It certainly wasn’t a “normal” Republican administration.

The foreign policy was pretty spectacular. How did two decades of "normal" governance post-cold war help the average American? How did four years of "normal" governance under Biden help the average American?

 

[Bluto]

Some of you conveniently forget how batshit crazy the Trump administration was. It certainly wasn’t a “normal” Republican administration.

It will be interesting the see how things pan out if Trump moves forward with some of his big promises. If he does in fact deport 10 million people at the jump the service and ag sectors of the economy will collapse.

Im guessing he’ll talk a big game but in the end his signature accomplishments will again be appointing more crazy judges and another big tax cut that balloons the deficit.

My biggest fear is that he recklessly deregulates a sector of finance and that leads to a catastrophic collapse ala 2008.

 

[SeekNDestroy]

The foreign policy was pretty spectacular. How did two decades of "normal" governance post-cold war help the average American? How did four years of "normal" governance under Biden help the average American?

We’ll see what happens now that Trump can do whatever he wants with absolutely no checks and balances. Nobody in his administration, congress, or the courts will get in his way.

 

[NDVirginia19]

We’ll see what happens now that Trump can do whatever he wants with absolutely no checks and balances. Nobody in his administration, congress, or the courts will get in his way.

The thought that SCOTUS is a rubber stamp is laughable

 

[JadedDomer]

Here's what I predict we will actually see. This won't be perfectly accurate obviously, but pretty close:

- Reduction in corporate taxes. Believe they're are 21% now, Kamala wanted 28%, Trump will lower to around 15%. Companies having money is good, more growth, more jobs, higher 401ks for all.
- Immediate removal of illegal/non-citizens who commit crime. He can't remove 10-20M day 1, but will start with the egregious.
- Obviously, immediately stop s$x changes on minors. No more men in women's sports.
- Allow oil drilling permits, removing all bans or recently implemented regulations
- Lowered federal income taxes. I would not be surprised at all if he moved it to ~15% for the middle class who currently pays ~25%.
- Election integrity. No more ballot dump boxes, perhaps no machines, limited voting window (no more voting month).
- Secure border. This may involve finishing funding to close the wall if he can get it, but if not, more manual efforts and policies.

A lot of other things will be done but I think these are the big ones. If this is facism, sign me up.

 

[TorontoGold]

Here's what I predict we will actually see. This won't be perfectly accurate obviously, but pretty close:

- Reduction in corporate taxes. Believe they're are 21% now, Kamala wanted 28%, Trump will lower to around 15%. Companies having money is good, more growth, more jobs, higher 401ks for all.
- Immediate removal of illegal/non-citizens who commit crime. He can't remove 10-20M day 1, but will start with the egregious.
- Obviously, immediately stop s$x changes on minors. No more men in women's sports.
- Allow oil drilling permits, removing all bans or recently implemented regulations
- Lowered federal income taxes. I would not be surprised at all if he moved it to ~15% for the middle class who currently pays ~25%.
- Election integrity. No more ballot dump boxes, perhaps no machines, limited voting window (no more voting month).

A lot of other things will be done but I think these are the big ones. If this is facism, sign me up.

If trans issues are anywhere near your top 50 reasons you should reevaluate what is important to you if you are a Trump supporter.

Lowering corporate taxes will only work if he actually enforces residency laws and tax treaties. If not, then it's hilariously bad tax policy.

 

[SeekNDestroy]

The thought that SCOTUS is a rubber stamp is laughable

I know you’re relatively new to the political board and don’t know my history, but I have family in the DMV who are involved in Opus Dei along with virtually every conservative Catholic politician and a few members of SCOTUS. This court will ALWAYS rule in favor of Trump. I know what the fuck I’m talking about.

 

[JadedDomer]

If trans issues are anywhere near your top 50 reasons you should reevaluate what is important to you if you are a Trump supporter.

Lowering corporate taxes will only work if he actually enforces residency laws and tax treaties. If not, then it's hilariously bad tax policy.

I would move heaven and earth to protect one child from permanently mutilating him/herself for no reason. Maybe that's just me.