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Really? That's fine. I've been reading this board for a while...and just wanted to chat...
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They did look dominant the last couple weeks. I think their biggest weakness is passing defense, but we have a few play makers back there so I'm not too worried about it.
 
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BarRoom Hero said:
Thanks kuehnja. this board is tough...
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Welcome BarRoom Hero, sorry for the harsh welcome from some members but a lot of first time posters during the season seem to be trolls (not that you are but we become a little wary).
 
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It's funny because he's had an account for longer than I have... yet people are accusing him of being a newbie troll...
 
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Just cause the guy doesn't post 20 times a day he's a troll? Why u so aggressive Go Irish?
 
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I really feel like Kelly gives us some good info after games in post-game pressers and also in any press conference he is in, really.. I see some of these post-game interviews and press conferences and the coaches aren't really saying anything, just kind of going through the motions if you know what I mean.. I respect Kelly for knowing that we have some die-hard fans, and we want to know some valuable information.. Idk if this has been stated much, but it's one of the major reasons I like Kelly and one of the reasons why I think he is the right man for the job, he understands the ND football program is more than just a football program, it's a family
 
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Something I noticed that I didn't see mentioned is that I thought Slaughter played a pretty awesome game. I love his fire.
 
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jared.arndt said:
For those saying 'I will reserve judgement until U$C,' uhhh he beat them for the first time in NINE years.

2-0 against U$C two weeks from now, you heard it here first.
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Did you just use last year's USC game as a reason they should be sold on Tommy? The same USC game where he turned the ball over 4 times and threw for under 150 yards on 32 attempts? Where Kelly didn't trust Rees to air it out on the final drive so he had him keep feeding it to Hughes? Where we still probably would have lost despite Hughes' beastly performance were it not for Ronald Johnson forgetting how to catch a football?

Look, I love winning and I really like what I've seen out of Rees in the last few weeks. The best part is there's been noticeable improvement in how he's distributed the football, made his reads, and kept control of the football. However, your kidding yourself if you think this was against anything but terrible defenses. I think Tommy may have been pressured once today. Air Force matched up terribly against our offense: they were smaller, slower, and not as quick. Two weeks from now, Tommy's going to be seeing a defense that, while not good, at least has athletes of a similar caliber as our offense. It will be a much more revealing test of how he has developed since the Pitt game.

Just to be perfectly clear: I want you to be right. And no, you are definitely not the first person to predict a win vs USC 2 weeks from now; I'll be surprised if we aren't favored. I want Tommy to go 4-0 vs USC in his career and to win by embarrassingly large margins. However, until he proves otherwise, a close examination of his record reveals some pretty significant struggles against the few quality defenses he has played.
 
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Please tell me we aren't slipping into a Rees/Hendrix debate...

It's late Saturday night after a convincing win against a sneaky good Air Force team. Rejoice fellas.
 
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Did you just use last year's USC game as a reason they should be sold on Tommy? The same USC game where he turned the ball over 4 times and threw for under 150 yards on 32 attempts? Where Kelly didn't trust Rees to air it out on the final drive so he had him keep feeding it to Hughes? Where we still probably would have lost despite Hughes' beastly performance were it not for Ronald Johnson forgetting how to catch a football?

Look, I love winning and I really like what I've seen out of Rees in the last few weeks. The best part is there's been noticeable improvement in how he's distributed the football, made his reads, and kept control of the football. However, your kidding yourself if you think this was against anything but terrible defenses. I think Tommy may have been pressured once today. Air Force matched up terribly against our offense: they were smaller, slower, and not as quick. Two weeks from now, Tommy's going to be seeing a defense that, while not good, at least has athletes of a similar caliber as our offense. It will be a much more revealing test of how he has developed since the Pitt game.

Just to be perfectly clear: I want you to be right. And no, you are definitely not the first person to predict a win vs USC 2 weeks from now; I'll be surprised if we aren't favored. I want Tommy to go 4-0 vs USC in his career and to win by embarrassingly large margins. However, until he proves otherwise, a close examination of his record reveals some pretty significant struggles against the few quality defenses he has played.
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I agree with most of you post though I do disagree with the bolded part. He played well against MSU this year, and played very well against Miami last year (who I would consider similar to USC this year on defense, not a great defense but a lot of individual talent). He also played well against Utah last year that was a good defense (though not a great defense).
 
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jonesman said:
OH, and Tommy better get used to seeing that dude named Hendrix on the field. The read option looked AWESOME with him on the field.

When Hendrix learns the O well enough, I am ready to see Tommy put on a red hat!!! Perfect example of his lack of growth was watching him today miss TJ Jones TOTALLY uncovered before the play. He was committed to throwing a ball to Eiffert no matter the coverage. Tommy looks good against a **** poor pass D. Not buying one bit of Tommy's progression. Any semi accurate QB would have looked like an All-American today.
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Ha ha...Tommy plays his best game of his career, completely dominates his 2nd straight opponent and leads the offense to its 2nd straight 500+ yd game, and you STILL come on here and bag on him??? You have TONS of examples of his maturity and growth in this offense in this game and the last game as well, and you pick ONE play out of so many positives and use that as an example of him not growing??? Seriously? Dude, it's overkill at this point, and it's embarrassing. I could totally see your point after the Pitt game, but today? That's pretty bad. It's like watching a fantastic movie and then picking out one bad line and saying, "See, that director sucks b/c of that bad line!"

Kmoose was absolutely right...you make excuses for why Rees looked good, but in the previous breath you're fawning over what Hendrix did against that same awful defense. You make it too obvious how much you hate Rees and love Hendrix.

And how bad does it make Hendrix look that A) he's had all this time to beat out Tommy Rees, who sucks according to you, and hasn't even come close to doing it, and B.) He still isn't even close to grasping the offense, the same offense Rees has led to 2 straight dominant performances. But yet you think he should be starting over Hendrix. Hmmmmm. How does that even make sense??? And don't get me wrong, I love Hendrix and I thought he looked good running that VERY LIMITED package he ran today, but a couple of you are having a bad case of premature ejaculation. Love what he did today, but have some perspective for Pete's sake.

Edit: And like it's been said...I don't think Tommy is a great QB by any strecth, but he is the best man on the roster at this time, and IMO (and Kelly's) it's not even close. Something, whatever it is, is missing with Crist, and the kids are too young and don't know the offense. And Rees wins, period.

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fair enough.. like I said I'm not claiming to be right.. however, I'd like to see Hendrix on Saturdays more than Rees. Will that happen? No, but it's something I hope for
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Man, I hate to pile on, but seriously, this post makes me think you are at most a freshman in high school, or someone that just doesn't care whether ND wins or not. Why in the world would you rather start Hendrix when he can only run one-eighth of the offense and he doesn't give us our best chance at winning?????? I cannot believe an Irish fan is truly saying that. And it's not about being in the minority...it just doesn't make sense. What is Hendrix going to do when a team calls for a perfect run-blitz and overstuffs our line and he doesn't have an audible to go to b/c he doesn't know the offense?

Have you seen the OSU offense lately? Their QB is a better athlete than Hendrix, but he's too young, doesn't know the offense in-and-out, and teams have adjusted to him. And now they can't move the ball. Yes, their o-line sucks, but he's just doing what most young QBs do. And most young QBs lose (except for Rees LOL).

Seriously, you have a QB on a 3 game winning streak, who has one loss in his career as a starter, and you want to bench him before the biggest game of the season against our top rival with the entire college football world watching (and TONS of major recruits) in favor of the young kid who has thrown 4 passes in his entire career??? What true Irish fan who loves the team says that? Think about what you are proposing. It's like you'd rather have fun and look good in a loss than look pretty good in a win. Wow.

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This team is dominate.
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The correct word is dominant. This team is 'dominant'. Or, 'this team dominates'. The way you worded it was about as poor English as you can get, and I'm sure it was just a typo. But that's why people thought you were a troll.

If you're not a troll, welcome aboard!
 
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I agree with most of you post though I do disagree with the bolded part. He played well against MSU this year, and played very well against Miami last year (who I would consider similar to USC this year on defense, not a great defense but a lot of individual talent). He also played well against Utah last year that was a good defense (though not a great defense).
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Fair enough. I meant to put the phrase "inconsistent play" in there.

And no, I am not trying to start a QB debate. I trust Kelly when he says Hendrix can't run the full offense yet. And I do like Crist and think he got the shaft this year, but at the same time I realize that he had his opportunity to make the job his and never got it done. So Tommy is our guy- and a lot of the time, he's great. However, I, for one, still see him as the weak link on an incredibly talented offense.*

*edit: I just realized that it probably wasn't me who was accused of starting a QB debate.
 
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IrishinSyria said:
Fair enough. I meant to put the phrase "inconsistent play" in there.
And no, I am not trying to start a QB debate. I trust Kelly when he says Hendrix can't run the full offense yet. And I do like Crist and think he got the shaft this year, but at the same time I realize that he had his opportunity to make the job his and never got it done. So Tommy is our guy- and a lot of the time, he's great. However, I, for one, still see his as the weak link on an incredibly talented offense.*

*edit: I just realized that it probably wasn't me who was accused of starting a QB debate.
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Now that I can agree with.
 
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I think BarRoom Hero was referring to Duty Calls:

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Anyway, I totally agree with everything else you said.
 
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First off I would like to make this point: in the run-up to this game we were told that Air Force had a porous defense and a very scary and diverse offensive attack. So the end result of the game is not all that surprising. We should have expected offensive fireworks.

The offense did indeed look great. They totally dominated a weak defense. They demonstrated a killer instinct that has been lacking over the last several years.

In my opinion the defense was not as awful as most of us seem to think. Diaco's scheme limited the big play and contained Jefferson. The defense stiffened inside the 20. One td was the result of a horrendous special teams penalty. The biggest concern I have is how poorly they played against that "super fast" no huddle offense. The two late td drives were just window dressing. Yes, they surrendered a lot of yards...Notre Dame was ahead by 40 before the two late tds...who cares?

One more thing...Tommy Rees defenders, please do not show support for Tommy by ripping Hendrix "he only knows 4 plays" etc. I think the Rees critics can see that Tommy is not the greatest athletic specimen and look no further. What I see in #11 is a young player who does not get flustered...who makes good reads most of the time...who plays within himself...and who is improving remarkably. Hendrix looked good but Tommy is the guy who can run the offense.
 
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Irish To The Core said:
First off I would like to make this point: in the run-up to this game we were told that Air Force had a porous defense and a very scary and diverse offensive attack. So the end result of the game is not all that surprising. We should have expected offensive fireworks.

The offense did indeed look great. They totally dominated a weak defense. They demonstrated a killer instinct that has been lacking over the last several years.

In my opinion the defense was not as awful as most of us seem to think. Diaco's scheme limited the big play and contained Jefferson. The defense stiffened inside the 20. One td was the result of a horrendous special teams penalty. The biggest concern I have is how poorly they played against that "super fast" no huddle offense. The two late td drives were just window dressing. Yes, they surrendered a lot of yards...Notre Dame was ahead by 40 before the two late tds...who cares?

One more thing...Tommy Rees defenders, please do not show support for Tommy by ripping Hendrix "he only knows 4 plays" etc. I think the Rees critics can see that Tommy is not the greatest athletic specimen and look no further. What I see in #11 is a young player who does not get flustered...who makes good reads most of the time...who plays within himself...and who is improving remarkably. Hendrix looked good but Tommy is the guy who can run the offense.
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There is no etc. Tommy supporters are not "ripping" Hendrix in any way. Its a simple fact, Hendrix does not know the playbook sufficiently to take the reigns of this O.

I really like what BK did with the QBs today. Hendrix should feel a little more confident and might even get some time against USC. But, besides ONE play, Tommy was great. I feel at ease when he is in there running the offense. The O-Line and two headed RB monster obviously helps that feeling.

Week by week I am more impressed with this coaching staff. The offense is starting to look high octane and as much as people might be dogging Diacos game-plan, it worked. The D took away the big play, protected the red-zone and got turnovers. AF is going to get yards against anyone.. Without the 2 4th quarter TDs in mop up time, we hold them to 19..

With a week off to rest and prepare, I see a big, huge win against USC.
 
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One observation that I had that I didn't see anywhere else in the thread is that Michael Floyd is a beast in the run game. I know that isn't exactly a revelation; he has been beating up DBs for a while now (I happened to look at the USC drive video posted on the front page, and he had some great blocks in there, too). Still, his blocking was exceptionally good today, I thought. He is really a complete WR, and will be a player at the next level.
 
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I thought the team did great and it was a nice win. I think Andrew will be good once he grasps the offense but it is clear to me that Tommy is the best option right now. Sometimes it seems like there is too much pressure on these kids and some of them do not play like we know they can. So afraid to make mistakes that they lose focus. Jonas has gained this new confidence and is tearing up the field.

I feel bad for Dayne because you know he can be a great quarterback. Just sad that you can only give these guys so much time for it to "click." Love all the quarterbacks but I'm so excited to see how this offense will be with a guy that can really run.

It bothers me that no one has spoken to Doug Flutie about his awful hair color. I can see his white roots and the light brown does not seem to blend well.
 
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