Post Game Observations (Pitt '15)......

kmoose

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There was a play in the 2nd half where Jaylon came from the other side of the field to make a play Joe should have been in position to make but it looked like he was in slow-mo. It was wild to see him have no chance of getting to the edge and then Jaylon comes out of nowhere to save him.


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That was a run to the outside where Joe got caught in traffic coming from the middle, while Jaylon had a relatively clear lane from his position on the outside.

MLBers are rarely responsible for run support on the outside. Unless you have a freak of nature in there (like a Manti Teo), run support on the outside is generally the job of the safeties/corners.
 

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My Observations:

1. Great performance from Adams. Very patient runner. Bright future.

2. This is the game I expected from Fuller last week. If teams are going to cover him 1-1, it won't work.

3. I thought from his play in the first half that Farley should have been on the field in the 2nd half instead of Redfield. He was active in the run game and the nice pick.

4. I'm not sure what the coaches are seeing in film for Joe Schmidt, but he needs to sit. 2 plays stand out for me . The screen pass where the CB played it perfectly forcing it inside only to have Schmidt whiff on the tackle. The second was when he blitzed and got thru the line untouched but was outrun by the QB.

5. Interesting that KVR has become the pick on CB of the defense. I think his coverage is too soft and he should have been flagged at least twice today. Also interesting on the last 2pt play for Pitt that they had Luke cover Boyd man to man instead of KVR.

6. Would love to be in the film session for Pitt when they break down the pass protection from #37. His blocking from the RB position was awful. The complete miss he had on Jaylon in the first half was laughable.

7. JP Holtz absolutely killed the Irish a few years ago and really struggled today. Had a least 2-3 drops.

I strongly agree with these points, especially #4 regarding Schmidt. As I said before, let him start the game, get everyone fired up for a series or 2, then turn the majority of snaps over to Nyles. Irish need a MAJOR uptick in his position against Stanford and anyone they play in whichever major bowl it is! DAMN, it is so frustrating especially when it's obvious to EVERYONE that watches the Irish play every week.
 
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Haha, that stat is awesome. Give Joe credit for Cage and Tillery playin better than our NT's last year. Give him credit for JO and Smith playing better than last year. How about KVR, with all his faults, being better than Butler. Maybe Rochell havin his best season yet or Okwara picking up his game. How about Shumate playing his best season to date. Na, none of that matters, as long as Schmidt is on the field. LOL.

Agreed with your point!

I am getting into this conversation quite late. (Sun. AM.)

I tried to keep my mouth shut. I picked your post because you commented on all the wonderfully improved aspects of this team, and in this game.

Okwara is silently putting together a good season, and Rochell is dominant.

Did anyone else see the statistic that ND's defensive ends are out 'statistic-ing' the '12 defensive ends, except with Stephon Tuitt's sack total. But are making up for it by being so far ahead on hurries and TFL? And the combination of Cage and Tillery are statistically pretty even with Nix? (That only leaves the lb's short, and I ain't going there!)

Farley is an in your face, always coming through sort of guy.

Don't look now, but DK is taking over this team. It is the exact same thing he did in high school, except his analogous development to his Freshman to Junior years in high school are being compressed into a seven game stretch in the middle of his first season of competition in college. I wasn't sure how his 'spooky' growth spurt would manifest itself in college, and I never had hopes that he would end up as one of the top couple of quarterbacks for the season, his first year, simply because of the unbelievably higher level of performance required in college, but this kid hasn't seen anything near a ceiling or speed bump! WOW!

I also had good feelings about Josh Adams. Vague and general, I remember thinking this kid was going to be a good running back, especially when some called for his conversion to linebacker, (which I mostly assumed was a tribute to his impressive size!) I remember thinking, 'No this kid is a running back. Too bad though because he has so many great runners ahead of him on the depth chart!' That is a double WOW! And this kid was one yard away from a freshman single game record having not started the game! I like it!

The defensive front seemed fast today. Other than poor Daniel Cage. He only lost discipline on his lanes once or twice, which I thought was impressive for a young player. And, that Pittsburg quarterback was pretty fluid, quick, fast for his position, and an all around good athlete. He got trucked by ND yesterday, and still kept his head in the game and did well. He may end up pretty doggone good before he is done!

So the fact that so many of the front seven got to him was I think a testament to both coverage and the front seven's pass rush. They actually blitzed Jaylon today, could you believe it?!?! Trumbetti, Okwara, and Rochell all looked really good.

Speaking of really good, the offensive line played in unison, (better than in any other game), played physically, and moved rapidly. Whatever the boat anchor, than line appeared to be severed for the Pitt game!

Back to defense. Yes there was inconsistent play by most of the defensive back's, except Cole Luke seemed to have an all around solid day. And it is okay for a defensive back to make a mistake. Hopefully, one of his teammates will be there, and astute enough to make up for it. I really don't like to say too much negative about anyone, let alone anyone that plays for or coaches the Irish. Sure there have been one or two exceptions. The Pitt game had one.

It was the last touchdown. Sure Max missed his assignment. But KeiVarae Russell, stopped, on the field, and pointed as if to point it out to Max. I don't know absolutely what was going on, but if Chris Spielman wasn't right, I can't stomach a player 'quitting' like that! I mean it, I felt sick. I couldn't even get mad. I was dumbfounded! Really, if a player responds like that to a difficult task, bench him!

I am now quickly moving to the position that if KR leaves after this year, I won't be the least bit upset. I don't see how that play was any less than total bullshit. And it wasn't the only one. KR appears to be a legend in his own mind; and, every time ND has faced that kind of situation, certainly since BK has been coach, it has ended up as an addition through subtraction situation. It would be great to see KVR benched, and Butler, Coleman, etc., get some experience for next year.
 

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Mcshau even said that Luke was much better in what he saw in practice throughout the week. And that he anticipated Pitt going after keivaree.
 
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The surprising thing is that Morgan and Martini and Grace never see the field. I'll never understand that.

That was a run to the outside where Joe got caught in traffic coming from the middle, while Jaylon had a relatively clear lane from his position on the outside.

MLBers are rarely responsible for run support on the outside. Unless you have a freak of nature in there (like a Manti Teo), run support on the outside is generally the job of the safeties/corners.

I strongly agree with these points, especially #4 regarding Schmidt. As I said before, let him start the game, get everyone fired up for a series or 2, then turn the majority of snaps over to Nyles. Irish need a MAJOR uptick in his position against Stanford and anyone they play in whichever major bowl it is! DAMN, it is so frustrating especially when it's obvious to EVERYONE that watches the Irish play every week.

Great points!

Obviously Pitt aimed right for Joe Schmidt yesterday!

(That is where I had the problem.)
 
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I don't like Joe... But I doubt the coaches keep him in because "He's a captain"... Obviously Morgan isn't ready... No way they stick with Joe through this string of poor play if he wasn't the best option in their mind...
 

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There is a bigger concern here than Joe's play on the field. If no other player has the command of the defense that Joe has, and that keeps him on the field almost exclusively, what the heck are going to do next year? We're 9 games in.......

We lose a lot to graduation this year and there apparently is no heir apparent to step into Joe's shoes.

As for KVR, that play hurt him yesterday, BAD! If he is even thinking about going pro he's crazy. He needs to stfu and work.
 

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I'm surprised Chris Brown didn't have any catches yesterday. I think you will start to see the coaches using Torri Hunter a lot more. The kid is a going to be a stud next year for us and he is just starting to get into things. Everytime he gets the ball he catches it or he takes the jet sweep for 10 plus yards. His only mistake was that fumble this year. I'm interested to see if the staff starts playing him on defense a lot more. We could use him next year on defense.
 

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I'm not a fan of seeing Joe on the field. But it's gotten to the point where every single play of his is criticized. And I'm not a fan of that. We're picking him apart even when it's unnecessary. It's getting ridiculous
 

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Some things of interesting note from yesterday's Post Game PC:

- Prosise injury was "head, neck, upper body area", but caused by "contact with the ground". I hope it is not a neck issue. Those can end playing days, permanently, for a kid.

- Dexter Williams missed his blocking assignment on the Wimbush fumble-TD play. Just goes to show you why the staff doesn't want to play kids that don't have a good grasp of all aspects of the game plan that involves them.

- Torii Hunter at Nickel........ interesting. What's even more interesting is that they have been practicing him there for 3 weeks now, and it's just now getting out into the news.

- Focus in Red Zone was on the unit as a whole, not any individual player(s). Sounds like the coaches have that well in hand now, whatever the issue was.
 

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I'm not a fan of seeing Joe on the field. But it's gotten to the point where every single play of his is criticized. And I'm not a fan of that. We're picking him apart even when it's unnecessary. It's getting ridiculous

The funny thing is............ if Joe Schmidt were a fullback; he would be an Irish hero, and everyone's favorite player.
 

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Two thoughts on Joe Schmidt:
- Why does every thread lately has to devolve into a Joe Schmidt thread?
- How great is it that we really have nothing else bad to talk about lately than the play of Joe Schmidt?
 

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The funny thing is............ if Joe Schmidt were a fullback; he would be an Irish hero, and everyone's favorite player.

Because he'd be making more plays at that position. It wouldn't be a bad one for him actually.
 

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Two thoughts on Joe Schmidt:
- Why does every thread lately has to devolve into a Joe Schmidt thread?
- How great is it that we really have nothing else bad to talk about lately than the play of Joe Schmidt?

Haha, I was thinking the same. I'm glad we still have something to whine about.
 

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That was a run to the outside where Joe got caught in traffic coming from the middle, while Jaylon had a relatively clear lane from his position on the outside.

MLBers are rarely responsible for run support on the outside. Unless you have a freak of nature in there (like a Manti Teo), run support on the outside is generally the job of the safeties/corners.

The run went to the opposite side of the field from where Jaylon was lined up. Joe was closer to the hole, but was slow and took a poor angle and got outran.

Luckily Jaylon is a freak in his own right and was able to run across the formation for the tackle.

Joe is an un-blocked MLB on that play. An un-blocked MLB needs to take advantage of being unblocked. We saw several plays yesterday where Joe just can't do it.
 

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First drive of the game, three plays, 75 yards, bomb to Fuller - I knew then we would win this game. Our boys came prepared to win, on the road, with an early kick-off time.

21-3 at halftime. I could not ask for anything better than that against a Pitt that circled us on their calendar.

Pitt was very aggressive on defense, and our Oline was not only ready for them but dictated play in the trenches.

Lot of complaints about our defense, but I am not seeing the reason for it. Pitt's QB is known for his efficiency, and we made him look like a back up. Pitt had one big chunk play late in the game...

We are a good team, but after watching Bama/LSU....we got some work to do in order to be competitve at the end of the year.
 

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I was thinking that perhaps KVR moves to strong safety next year. He is a solid tackler and we have some nice young talent at CB. I think his play this year has diminished his chances of being a high draft pick and I think he could be an outstanding safety. Thoughts?
 

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I was thinking that perhaps KVR moves to strong safety next year. He is a solid tackler and we have some nice young talent at CB. I think his play this year has diminished his chances of being a high draft pick and I think he could be an outstanding safety. Thoughts?

I think he leaves either way.
 

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The surprising thing is that Morgan and Martini and Grace never see the field. I'll never understand that.

I see Martini out there quite a bit. Not sure exactly what packages and what LB spot he is playing every time but I do see him out there quite a bit and he's usually making some decent plays.
 

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I'm surprised Chris Brown didn't have any catches yesterday. I think you will start to see the coaches using Torri Hunter a lot more. The kid is a going to be a stud next year for us and he is just starting to get into things. Everytime he gets the ball he catches it or he takes the jet sweep for 10 plus yards. His only mistake was that fumble this year. I'm interested to see if the staff starts playing him on defense a lot more. We could use him next year on defense.

I was thinking about this also yesterday. I think what happens in many of the routes is that Fuller is option 1 and Brown is 2. Fuller was open very often yesterday and Kizer did not have to even go to option 2. It seems that when Fuller's catches are down, Brown's will be up. Unless they make a deliberate effort to get the ball to Brown.
 

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I was at the game yesterday...great time:

1. Pitt Fans...Including the student section left early leaving 90% Irish fans.
2. All the bars around the stadium were jammed with ND Fans..a few Steelers fans
3. Newsome had an awesome day punting
4. Adams was patient and ran strong.
5. Dexter laid Wimbush out to dry
6. got to "isolate" on Joe on a bunch of plays...I'm officially off his bandwagon. Wow.
7. was scared to death when CJ went down and went to the locker oom because we didnt know what happened to him
8. DK to Fuller seemed unstoppable.
9. Day had another disruptive day
10. Never going to Heimz Field again.
 

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I was at the game yesterday...great time:

1. Pitt Fans...Including the student section left early leaving 90% Irish fans.
2. All the bars around the stadium were jammed with ND Fans..a few Steelers fans
3. Newsome had an awesome day punting
4. Adams was patient and ran strong.
5. Dexter laid Wimbush out to dry
6. got to "isolate" on Joe on a bunch of plays...I'm officially off his bandwagon. Wow.
7. was scared to death when CJ went down and went to the locker oom because we didnt know what happened to him
8. DK to Fuller seemed unstoppable.
9. Day had another disruptive day
10. Never going to Heimz Field again.

Thanks for the post but care to elaborate on #10? Sounded like it was an Irish home away from home after half.
 

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Thanks for the post but care to elaborate on #10? Sounded like it was an Irish home away from home after half.

The combination of noon kickoff, the pro stadium off campus, the massive evacuation towards the end of the game, everytime our band played they blared crappy stadium music, everytime we stood up to cheer, Pitt fans would scream "Sit down Teo...your girlfriend is not coming", very week tailgating environment, and my buddy's nine year old son crying when an idiot walked by and yelled "Notre Dame fvcking sucks". That stuff happens but they seemed a little meaner than normal. Anyway...had a great time in the bars after.
 

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In regards to Joe Schmidt. Did anyone else notice the play late in the second half where Pitt QB was taking off to run right towards Joe but instead of Joe seeing what was going on, he had his back turned chasing the Pitt WR to the sideline with his arms extended like a lost puppy?
 

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Two thoughts on Joe Schmidt:
- Why does every thread lately has to devolve into a Joe Schmidt thread?
- How great is it that we really have nothing else bad to talk about lately than the play of Joe Schmidt?

Because he is playing historically bad football for us. The amazing thing is I think he's getting worse. Last year, i thought he came up big in some games and made big time plays. So many big plays are directly his fault. Middle linebacker is the quarterback of our defense and needs to play better if we have any chance at going 3-0 down the stretch and competing in any bowl game or playoff game.

If a QB was playing this poorly, they'd be benched.
If a receiver was constantly running the wrong routes and dropping passes they'd be benched.
If a running bag was consistently fumbling the ball and running for 30 yards a game then they'd be benched.
If a cornerback was playing this badly and getting burned for a touchdown all the time they'd be benched.



I just don't understand why a 5-star recruit in Morgan who showed some toughness and potential last year as a true frosh isn't playing. Are we redshirting him? Also what was the point of bringing back Grace for a 5th year? If you are telling me he's not even close to playing better than Joe Schmidt than i would have rather offered a spot to a freshman.

I like Joe Schmidt and he seems to be exactly what i want from a player as far as attitude and work ethic and desire. Ultimately, he's not as athletically gifted as Division 1 football players and he's hurting our team. Watching Joe Schmidt play is like what watching Rudy play if he had been forced to play every down against every team instead of a cameo sack against Ga Tech.
 

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I'm not a fan of seeing Joe on the field. But it's gotten to the point where every single play of his is criticized. And I'm not a fan of that. We're picking him apart even when it's unnecessary. It's getting ridiculous

I'm with you and feel bad criticizing so badly a walk-on 22-year-old, but he's clearly--by far--the weak link of our defense. I can't keep trying to look the other way. Yes, we need a better pass rush from our front 4 and, yes, KVR can play better, but if Joe Schmidt played like Joe Schmidt did last year for us then we'd have a pretty darn good defense. As is, it's just not enough to expect to stop a quality offensive team.
 

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I'm with you and feel bad criticizing so badly a walk-on 22-year-old, but he's clearly--by far--the weak link of our defense. I can't keep trying to look the other way. Yes, we need a better pass rush from our front 4 and, yes, KVR can play better, but if Joe Schmidt played like Joe Schmidt did last year for us then we'd have a pretty darn good defense. As is, it's just not enough to expect to stop a quality offensive team.

The numbers don't support the Chicken Little attitude.

ND has held 6 of 9 teams on their schedule under their season avg for scoring. Only Viriginia, UMass, and Pitt scored above their season avg against ND.

TX: Averages 25.4, scored 3. Delta: -22.4
VA: Avg 24, scored 27. Delta: +3
GT: Avg 33.6, scored 22. Delta: -11.6
UMass: Avg 21.6, scored 27. Delta: +5.4
Clemson: Avg 38.7, scored 24. Delta: -14.7
Navy: Avg 35.4, scored 24. Delta: -11.4
USC: Avg 37.4, scored 31. Delta: -6.4
Temple: Avg 34, scored 20. Delta: -14
Pitt: Avg 26.6, scored 30. Delta +3.4

So this defense has played well, including doing some of their best work (on the scoreboard) against some of the better offenses they faced.
 

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The numbers don't support the Chicken Little attitude.

ND has held 6 of 9 teams on their schedule under their season avg for scoring. Only Viriginia, UMass, and Pitt scored above their season avg against ND.

TX: Averages 25.4, scored 3. Delta: -22.4
VA: Avg 24, scored 27. Delta: +3
GT: Avg 33.6, scored 22. Delta: -11.6
UMass: Avg 21.6, scored 27. Delta: +5.4
Clemson: Avg 38.7, scored 24. Delta: -14.7
Navy: Avg 35.4, scored 24. Delta: -11.4
USC: Avg 37.4, scored 31. Delta: -6.4
Temple: Avg 34, scored 20. Delta: -14
Pitt: Avg 26.6, scored 30. Delta +3.4

So this defense has played well, including doing some of their best work (on the scoreboard) against some of the better offenses they faced.

Worth noting that Pitt scored a defensive TD. Offense only scored 24.
 
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