I just finished watching the game off my DVR. I'd like to know why we did go for it on fourth down, down by 2 scores and 8 minutes left. Did Kelly not essentially quit by punting there? I mean, sure, if we don't convert OK puts up another score - but who cares. At least try to win the game.
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Yes.
NoJusticeNoPeace
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Agreed. Kelly's decisions may not have lost us the game, but it prevented us from getting back into the game.
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Yeah but.....ahhh.....
I am sure the delusional will think of something to blow holes in that iron clad evidence.
Nope dumb penalties and a couple blow assignments on big plays did that.
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NoJusticeNoPeace
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Rees could go 0/100 with 74 picks and curbstomp a 2 year old on the sideline and people would blame the receivers. I'm just ready for the Rees era and Rees discussions to end.
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Because it was 4th and 15, not 4th and 2 or 3. That deep in your own territory, you punt the ball.
What difference will Rees leaving make? You'll just find somebody else to bad mouth. It's your M.O.!
ND had two athletic QBs when Kelly arrived, one a 5 star and a one a 4. Unfortunately on the gridron their brains functioned slower than Rees's feet.
A deer in headlights can't run, "Call AND Haul".
Kelly adapted to what he had.
Rees hasn't been good, but he's really the only option we have. Hendrix is always a deer in the headlights, and Zaire isn't ready. At this point, the important thing is squeezing as many wins out of this season as possible - so we can prevent a recruiting disaster. For me, Rees is the best option to do that.
In 3 minutes ND gave away 14 points.
For the next 57 minutes the game was a 21 -21 tie despite ALL those terribly, horrible things ND coaches and players did and didn't do on offense and defense.
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I know this has been said before on here but seriously what kind of team is ND? If you think of a Alabama, LSU, Georgia you think smash mouth football with occasional play action, & Tuff Defense if you take a Oregon, Texas A&M there associated with the spread option & scoring a butt load of points. Texas Tech is associated with an air attack. My point is those teams are associated with all those things & most would say they do it well! What is NDs identity of course people are going to say we throw the ball yes, that's quite obvious but we don't do it well. Is it running the ball it could be, we ran the ball fairly well today! But I wouldn't say we're a running team. You guys get what I'm saying here we are year 4 and what are we building? An offense primarily out of shot gun that's going to throw 40-50 times a game while sitting in the pocket! Maybe eventually more of a spread option? I don't see us going back to a pro or I with Kelly & I'm not saying we should, but where should we be heading in year 4 of Brian Kelly's scheme? What's the identity of Notre Dame?
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I don't agree that we would have beat them absent the turnovers. They had over 125 more offensive yards and over 10 minutes TOP than us.
We got walloped in many areas, not just at QB.
There's too many 'ifs' and excuses associated with this team. We bring in too much talent to have this as the product on the field.
We got walloped in many areas, not just at QB.
There's too many 'ifs' and excuses associated with this team. We bring in too much talent to have this as the product on the field.
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We let our opponents dictate our game plan instead of developing who we are.
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- I thought the team played with a lot of energy and kept the game from getting out of hand early. I'm proud of the effort.
- I loved the offensive gameplan and thought it would have panned out beautifully if not for the early TOs. I think we would have seen more of Folston too.
- Rees is a tough kid, with a stronger arm than last year but struggles with accuracy especially when forcing the ball.
- I loved the offensive gameplan and thought it would have panned out beautifully if not for the early TOs. I think we would have seen more of Folston too.
- Rees is a tough kid, with a stronger arm than last year but struggles with accuracy especially when forcing the ball.
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We have no consistent strengths on offense this year. I think next year's offense will be wide open and uptempo with Golson back and lots of skill position talent.
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At the risk of upsetting the plethora of nicer fans on this site I heartily agree with NDSean. Tommy is done and possibly the worst QB at ND as far back as I can remember. Not sure if mentioning Demetr us Jones is fair. Evan Sharpley also had a horrible team around him so that would not be a fair comparison either. This offense has good protection, good WRs and TEs and still somehow this offense thanks to Chuck, Brian and Tommy is awful and inconsistent. Having an immobile QB, with. Weak arm and accuracy issues is a recipe for today's results. I will take Zaire and our chances . Anything else is playing not to lose as opposed to playing to win.
No chance of losing any coaches for a while either. We can also expect Tuitt to stay as his draft stock has been dropping.
Defense looks slow, overweight and unathletic. We have players but can't seem to get them engaged in the game. Tommy has done some nice things at ND but nothing any other average QB couldn't have done. Disco will be around for as long as we want him. He and the D are grossly over rated and we need to go for making a bowl game.
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This. Which is also what we'd have seen this year.
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My thoughts:
- Rees. Woof.
- Can't see DD on TV, but where was his separation today? He was barely targeted.
- GAIII had his best game, mostly due to the OL playing really well in run blocking. Folston was the best IMO, not sure why he didn't see the field in the 2nd.
- Defense is slow to react and not athletic enough to play with the big boys. I don't know who is to blame for this. It can't be the recruits because we recruit as good or better than a team like Oklahoma, and it's apparently blasphemy to question the S/C coach, so not sure where to put the blame. But it looks like our guys have ankle weights tied to them.
- Biggest disappointments so far: Grace, Councel (he's not fast, btw), Farley, Tuitt, Shembo, Bennett Jackson. Basically the entire defense not named Jaylon Smith and Nix.
- Play calling was better than past weeks. But we're still not running the ball enough.
- BK is too conservative in many ways IMO. Not going for it on 4th down and 1, not trusting freshman RBs (Folston's playing really well - let him loose), 42 seconds and 3 TOs at end of 1st half, etc.
- Brindza could be the best punter in the country IFF he was more accurate. That guy gets at least one bomb per game.
- Defense gave up 450 yards of offense. That's more than West Virginia and Louisianna Monroe gave up to OK. Rees was bad, but this defense is bad too.
- Liked seeing Hendrix and thought he played well, but again, BK is too conservative. That 'wrinkle' is not sustainable unless you let Hendrix throw.
- Long year ahead, hopefully we can turn it around.
- Rees. Woof.
- Can't see DD on TV, but where was his separation today? He was barely targeted.
- GAIII had his best game, mostly due to the OL playing really well in run blocking. Folston was the best IMO, not sure why he didn't see the field in the 2nd.
- Defense is slow to react and not athletic enough to play with the big boys. I don't know who is to blame for this. It can't be the recruits because we recruit as good or better than a team like Oklahoma, and it's apparently blasphemy to question the S/C coach, so not sure where to put the blame. But it looks like our guys have ankle weights tied to them.
- Biggest disappointments so far: Grace, Councel (he's not fast, btw), Farley, Tuitt, Shembo, Bennett Jackson. Basically the entire defense not named Jaylon Smith and Nix.
- Play calling was better than past weeks. But we're still not running the ball enough.
- BK is too conservative in many ways IMO. Not going for it on 4th down and 1, not trusting freshman RBs (Folston's playing really well - let him loose), 42 seconds and 3 TOs at end of 1st half, etc.
- Brindza could be the best punter in the country IFF he was more accurate. That guy gets at least one bomb per game.
- Defense gave up 450 yards of offense. That's more than West Virginia and Louisianna Monroe gave up to OK. Rees was bad, but this defense is bad too.
- Liked seeing Hendrix and thought he played well, but again, BK is too conservative. That 'wrinkle' is not sustainable unless you let Hendrix throw.
- Long year ahead, hopefully we can turn it around.
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Two things:
1. Kelly proved at his previous stops that he's not conservative. I think he's playing the QB hand he's been dealt.
2. I'm not sure that Hendrix has shown us that he can throw. He seems to freeze when he gets on the field. If that wasn't the case in practice, I think Kelly would be playing him.
But I don't really know. I'm not in practice.
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I think Hendrix is a bad passer, but after seeing Rees today I think letting Hendrix play is worth the risk.
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Okay. Hard to say. Other than the first 3 minutes, though, we played a good team straight up. I guess I'm still excited that our standards have raised so much from 4 years ago.
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Everyone is thinking that. Lots of people are saying it too.
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I think Hendix throws with too much strength and not enough touch. He's never looked natural as a passer, but maybe if he gets a bunch of reps he'll settle down?
IDK. I still like Rees because of what he's been through and won't be mad if he's still the starter, but I'd be excited to see Hendrix.
I don't think that second part is true. Turnovers aside, they had 125 more offensive yards than us and over 10 minutes time of possession. They beat us in about every area, not only turnovers.
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I'm no Tommy defender, and he sure makes some horrible throws that miss open guys and, yes, he's immobile enough to make the Venus de Milo look like Usain Bolt, but some of the problem is pass rush related -- don't know why there is often no back in to help block when the line is often overwhelmed -- and some of it you can't tell if it's Rees or the receivers running the wrong route. What I can say is that chemistry between QB and receivers is really gravitating towards nil.
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IMO Tommy also sits in the pocket too long. I feel like the OL has given him plenty of time for the most part this year.