Post Game Observations (MSU '16)

[pkt77242]

We didnt put them in a position to succeed, we pretty much only ran dives, no midline, no qb power, 1 qb draw, where was the variation?

Not just on that, they looked bad in the first half when MSU brought pressure. Many times Nelson looked lost and McGlinchey struggled protecting the edge.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Did we have any pressure on the QB in this game? The fact that its 3 games in and 0 sacks in a joke.

I'm tired of these Zone blitzes!

Daelin Hayes made a great play in coverage, but can we have him just do what he does best and get after the QB?


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[Blazers46]

Any visiting recruit on commitment watch....?

 

[Downinthebend]

What the hell was up with running so many speed options?

Can we please not run another the rest of the year?!


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Are you serious? We've ran two today, and two in previous games, how is that alot?

 

[smerky]

- I'll still watch, obviously, but there will be no emotional investment.

Can I use this as my signature?

 

[theclassickiller]

The only silver lining is that BVG may be gone Monday. Honestly, if Kelly wants to salvage this season he has to be. He is a pathetic college level coach and he has shown his true colors at two stops. BVG's two college stops have been two of the worst defenses those colleges have ever fielded.

Cole Luke was beyond bad. I honestly am shocked at how bad he was. He looked like a really, really, really bad freshman who was only on the field because all of the other DBs got their legs broken.

Our tight ends suck a big one. The o-line is atrocious despite having two potential high draft picks on the left side.

Kizer looked like crap with Denbrock calling plays. Kelly just needs to keep the play book. It's unacceptable to have three quarters of terrible offense because you want someone to become something they will never be. Denbrock is to our offense what BVG is to our defense: a handicap.

Please, please, please fire BVG now and let someone else call the plays. Hell, you could throw a dart at ten plays, nine prevent and one blitz, and it would be better than this atrocity. You have to let him go now to salvage a decent bowl game.

 

[Nok]

Fml I'm a Notre Dame, Browns, and Braves fan. Fun year.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Who Is we?

'We' includes your avatar.

 

[ndcoltsfan2010]

Shitty officiating early . We need defensive backs. Like now!!!!!

 

[IrishLax]

Explain to me how the offense is to blame for our CBs playing like trash and our run d getting torched for multiple huge runs.

Is this a joke?

The defense was absolutely shutting down MSU's running attack for the first 20 minutes of the game. They were averaging 2 yards per carry. Then the defense got stuck on the field with virtually no breaks for the next 20 minutes... and the front 7 got gassed, and stopped getting off blocks, and then gave up big runs.

The offense is probably 80% resposnible for MSU's 36 straight points. The other 20% is Cole Luke.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

The only silver lining is that BVG may be gone Monday. Honestly, if Kelly wants to salvage this season he has to be. He is a pathetic college level coach and he has shown his true colors at two stops. BVG's two college stops have been two of the worst defenses those colleges have ever fielded.

Cole Luke was beyond bad. I honestly am shocked at how bad he was. He looked like a really, really, really bad freshman who was only on the field because all of the other DBs got their legs broken.

Our tight ends suck a big one. The o-line is atrocious despite having two potential high draft picks on the left side.

Kizer looked like crap with Denbrock calling plays. Kelly just needs to keep the play book. It's unacceptable to have three quarters of terrible offense because you want someone to become something they will never be. Denbrock is to our offense what BVG is to our defense: a handicap.

Please, please, please fire BVG now and let someone else call the plays. Hell, you could throw a dart at ten plays, nine prevent and one blitz, and it would be better than this atrocity. You have to let him go now to salvage a decent bowl game.

Denbrock called the plays? I didn't know that. You have link of an article to confirm this?


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[Irish YJ]

Is this a joke?

The defense was absolutely shutting down MSU's running attack for the first 20 minutes of the game. They were averaging 2 yards per carry. Then the defense got stuck on the field with virtually no breaks for the next 20 minutes... and the front 7 got gassed, and stopped getting off blocks, and then gave up big runs.

The offense is probably 80% resposnible for MSU's 36 straight points. The other 20% is Cole Luke.

Conditioning,,,, fire Longo...

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

Is this a joke?

The defense was absolutely shutting down MSU's running attack for the first 20 minutes of the game. They were averaging 2 yards per carry. Then the defense got stuck on the field with virtually no breaks for the next 20 minutes... and the front 7 got gassed, and stopped getting off blocks, and then gave up big runs.

The offense is probably 80% resposnible for MSU's 36 straight points. The other 20% is Cole Luke.

Incorrect. After the botched punt MSU scored in 1 play that took probably 5 seconds. On the next drive after the fumble MSU scored on 3 plays that took probably 45 seconds....coming out after the half msu and ND exhanged possessions, then go look at the play log for msu's 2nd possession of the half. That was coming out of halftime, no excuse for saying the D was just gassed being on tje field for 20 straight minutes...nothing even close to that actually happened. The problem in general with tje defense is they got pushed around all night and couldnt get off the field on 3rd down....the defense was brutal tonight. They had about a 7 minute stretch where they played well in the 4th when msu went completely into a shell offensively...aside from that they were awful pretty consistently except when ND actually had the ball. Another thing is even on MSUs long drives they were methodical slow tempo drives where the D just couldnt get off the field...if they were tired it was their own fault for not getting stops.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

After the game Dahani Jones said MSU is going to the playoffs. Lmao. I hope he is correct though.


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[DONTH8]

Is this a joke?

The defense was absolutely shutting down MSU's running attack for the first 20 minutes of the game. They were averaging 2 yards per carry. Then the defense got stuck on the field with virtually no breaks for the next 20 minutes... and the front 7 got gassed, and stopped getting off blocks, and then gave up big runs.

The offense is probably 80% resposnible for MSU's 36 straight points. The other 20% is Cole Luke.

If "the offense" includes the play calling (which I assume it does) then I absolutely agree with you. Defense was gassed, simple as that in my opinion. Once we put some drives together our team got some stops. Some may argue that it's because they took the foot off the gas as to why our defense got stops in the fourth quarter, but bottom line is we stopped the same plays in the fourth quarter, that they were scoring on in the third.

 

[military_irish]

After the game Dahani Jones said MSU is going to the playoffs. Lmao. I hope he is correct though.


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I wouldn't mind that. I personally have little hatred for them although I hated the flag incident. But that was under John L.

Dantonio is just a "we're going to hit you in the mouth" type of coach and he waits to see how the other teams reacts. There is a reason he is successful, it works.

I just hate losing to them because I know too many State fans.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

I wouldn't mind that. I personally have little hatred for them although I hated the flag incident. But that was under John L.



Dantonio is just a "we're going to hit you in the mouth" type of coach and he waits to see how the other teams reacts. There is a reason he is successful, it works.



I just hate losing to them because I know too many State fans.

I would really like to see his record with this Notre Dame team if he were coach.



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[IrishLax]

Incorrect. After the botched punt MSU scored in 1 play that took probably 5 seconds.

Yeah no shit notice the "20% Cole Luke." Read better.

On the next drive after the fumble MSU scored on 3 plays that took probably 45 seconds....coming out after the half msu and ND exhanged possessions, then go look at the play log for msu's 2nd possession of the half.

No? The second MSU TD of the first half was an 1 play, 92 yard drive. As D was already gassed and just had back-to-back sudden changes with no rest. What is complicated here? The ND drives preceding that were:

3&out, 0 plays (fumble putting defense immediately back on the field), 1 play (fumble, putting defense immediately back on the field). So the defense defended 4 straight drives with a total 4 offensive plays of rest and 2:17 of TOP. Ta'ts how you get gassed. Before the offensive implosion and turnovers, ND yielded a total of 96 yards on 3 drive with zero points.

That was coming out of halftime, no excuse for saying the D was just gassed being on tje field for 20 straight minutes...nothing even close to that actually happened.

lol they actually did fine on the first drive (because they got to catch their breath)... but already being worn down, ND then has a 1 minute TOP drive, then MSU scored on a long 10 play drive wearing out the D... and then we had a 2 play drive, MSU scored, 3 play drive, MSU scored.... because we were gassed.

Basically, MSU had two long grinding drives (one towards the end of the half, where the D was tired from a half of football and being stuck on the field... and then the second drive of the second half) that gassed the defense. If the offense could've possessed the ball, these probably wouldn't have been back breakers, but in the third quarter after the second long grinder we got absolutely blown off the ball and they gashed us for huge runs.

To say "it's their fault for not getting stops" is just insane given that they WERE getting stops before the offense started imploding, and they started getting stops again once ND started moving the ball. ND only ran 24 plays of offense in the first half, which wore down the defense.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Just thinking about the near circus hail marry catch Claypool almost made.

Would like to see him more involved


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[IrishLax]

If "the offense" includes the play calling (which I assume it does) then I absolutely agree with you. Defense was gassed, simple as that in my opinion. Once we put some drives together our team got some stops. Some may argue that it's because they took the foot off the gas as to why our defense got stops in the fourth quarter, but bottom line is we stopped the same plays in the fourth quarter, that they were scoring on in the third.

Yup, play calling was indefensibly stupid. We checked into the plays MSU wanted us to check into, and tried to run the ball into the teeth of the defense and/or dink & dunk against guys sitting on the short routes. As soon as we started attacking vertically we started possessing the ball and having drives.

 

[Wingman Ray]

Can you imagine what an offense like Louisville would do to this team?? This team isn't even remotely close to a championship contention level.

We need to lower our academic standards and start oversigning if we want to seriously try and win it all. Otherwise we should all just admit that our standards are worth more than winning because that's where we're at folks.

Man we get the recruits. I mean, they aren't Bama or OSU but a TON better than MSU and most every other college in the country. We just have really, really bad coaches.

BK did what, win with Cinn in a cupcake conference. What happened when that team played a real world contender team in FL that year? Oh yeah, completely wrecked.

BK is good for teams like Cinn and S Florida. He is just in over his head at ND.

And I don't even want to get started on that BVG clown.

 

[OlympiaIrishFan]

Yes, the offense was crappy for most of the game. Yes, they left the defense out there too long. But, crappy defense just didn't happen today. We had multiple NFL Players on Defense for the last 3 years and the same issue. Quit blaming the offense for leaving them out there too long, quit blaming the refs. The defense isn't prepared properly. OSU, Stanford, Texas, and MSU the last 4 our of 5 games. Same old crap. The offense was great against Texas, what was the excuse then?

CRappy defense for 3 years under BVG. He is the issue. And BK is the issue too because he allows it to happen. Enough of the crap blaming the offense today, it is a 3 year issue. Heck, just look at the last 4 out of 5 games. And our great d against Nevada. Please. They are not a good team. Sad!

 

[military_irish]

I would really like to see his record with this Notre Dame team if he were coach.



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A lot of his success is because his scheme is ran perfectly. His OL always has a hat on someone and their backs find the holes. Then as we seen it opens the play action perfectly.

I think ND's offense needs to work the opposite. Take the top off the defense early and open up running lanes that way.

But Dantonio just has that old school smash mouth mentality on both sides of the ball. Makes me envious at times.

My blood still runs Blue and Gold through and through. Just would be nice to have a real identity that has the same approach every game. A lot of games I watch of ND are like mystery grab bags. You never know what you're going to get, not just game to game but quarter to quarter.

 

[OlympiaIrishFan]

Wingman, look at him against Bama, FSU, Clemson, OSU, losing record against Stanford, etc. We lose more often against good teams than we win under BK. I really thought it was going to get better. It isn't. Didn't last year, and not this year against good teams. We just don't rise to the occasion.

 

[NDgradstudent]

We need to lower our academic standards and start oversigning if we want to seriously try and win it all. Otherwise we should all just admit that our standards are worth more than winning because that's where we're at folks.

MSU does not have better recruits than us.

 

[Wingman Ray]

My blood still runs Blue and Gold through and through. Just would be nice to have a real identity that has the same approach every game. A lot of games I watch of ND are like mystery grab bags. You never know what you're going to get, not just game to game but quarter to quarter.

Man this 100%. So tired of hearing the worn out excuse that ND gets everyones best. Oh go hang that on someone that believes it. Every team short of the barely D1 teams are down to the wire. Purdue, Navy, North Carolina, Virginia. Take the shit teams in every conference and ND barely wins, year in year out, while the good teams stomp the crap out of them.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

I don't remember who said this during Kelly's press conference, maybe irishman77, but he said he looks at Kelly's body language to gage how the team is practicing and will fair. The poster said something like...Kelly seems like it's been a very long and frustrating week.

The poster nailed it. The team did not look prepared and was very sloppy.


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[TP81989]

The defense is just awful and the excuses about them being tired is BS. They were put in some tough spots because of turnovers, but at least step up and hold them to FG's. The secondary and lack of a pass rush every game is beyond pathetic.

The OL is soft and only excels at pass blocking. Just about everytime they face a defense that doesn't totally suck they struggle in the running game. They get the same caliber OL that Ohio St. does, but they rarely blow teams off the ball like they do. It all goes back to coaching and instilling the right mentality.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

The defense is just awful and the excuses about them being tired is BS. They were put in some tough spots because of turnovers, but at least step up and hold them to FG's. The secondary and lack of a pass rush every game is beyond pathetic.



The OL is soft and only excels at pass blocking. Just about everytime they face a defense that doesn't totally suck they struggle in the running game. They get the same caliber OL that Ohio St. does, but they rarely blow teams off the ball like they do. It all goes back to coaching and instilling the right mentality.

Offensive line is very talented, but I give them a pass as they are extremely young and inexperienced.

Three first year starters. And even the veterans don't have many starts. Nelson 13 career starts, McGlinchey 17 starts.


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[ACamp1900]

I am observing USC Stanford 2007 on the Pac 12 Network,... Brings me such perspective and makes me feel so much better.....