Post Game Observations (Florida State '14)

[kmoose]

Charlie Weis had 3 plays. If he had this receiving corps his offense would be garbage. He lucked out by getting Floyd and Tate. He never developed anyone in his whole time here.

You are right. He didn't take a running back, in the aforementioned Golden Tate, and turn him into one of the best receivers in the country. Let's not forget that Brady Quinn was a pretty mediocre QB before Weis' arrival, and left as a pretty damn good QB.

 

[Circa]

Fans know that college football is better off when ND is among the elite even if they don't normally like them.

Saturday's game was straight out of WWF or WWE. ND (normally bad guy) has been down. The new villan is FSU and everyone hates them because they refuse to do anything but have contempt for everyone else and play by their own rules. Here comes the one bad guy (ND) that can put FSU in its place and everyone suddenly loves them. The rematch is coming folks.

This play.. "call'.. idiocy.. I just can't get over the utter contempt. What actually is the NCAA's job other than ignoring the obvious infraction filled SEC? Is the whole CFB world run by the coaches and ref's? You never see the NCAA step in on any of these situations, and there has been some flat out atrocious refereeing in the past 10 years. Plays like these and games like these are going to turn the CFB world into what many have seen the NFL being for a long time. It's a damn shame the Playoff era may be decided by hypocrisy at it's finest.

 

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Cuz weiss running a program, or just being an oc are so comparable whiskey. Ill make it more simple, kelly will suck as an oc for me because he doesnt call rb screens or rb passes in general . Or run well designed wr screens, luckily fuller is a pimp. Basically any play that takes advantage of the college hash marks, he refuses to run. I think hes ran 3 rb screens this year,matching his total from previous 4. Thats me assuming he has atleast ran 3 over 4 years. I want well coached and executed screens 24/7 whiskey. I need it, give it to me.

 

[tussin]

Cuz weiss running a program, or just being an oc are so comparable whiskey. Ill make it more simple, kelly will suck as an oc for me because he doesnt call rb screens or rb passes in general . Or run well designed wr screens, luckily fuller is a pimp. Basically any play that takes advantage of the college hash marks, he refuses to run. I think hes ran 3 rb screens this year,matching his total from previous 4. Thats me assuming he has atleast ran 3 over 4 years. I want well coached and executed screens 24/7 whiskey. I need it, give it to me.

Yes, because Weis did a great job at Florida in 2011.

 

[gfviperman]

Haven't read all 785 posts so don't know if this has been asked:

If the roles were 100% reversed, do you think the officials would have thrown the flag on FSU???

 

[Luckylucci]

Wow, Weis is a laughing stock of CFB at this point and we're comparing him to Kelly and I thought some couldn't go further off the deep end, I was wrong. Oh so wrong.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Wait, so now somehow Chaz Weiss is to blame for our loss to FSU?

I'm down with that. It's easier to swallow than what actually happened.

Maybe we should employ more female refs, they will have an easier time swallowing the whistle when they should.

 

[Cackalacky]

This thread, this day, they should have sent a poet....

 

[nd_fan]

Cuz weiss running a program, or just being an oc are so comparable whiskey. Ill make it more simple, kelly will suck as an oc for me because he doesnt call rb screens or rb passes in general . Or run well designed wr screens, luckily fuller is a pimp. Basically any play that takes advantage of the college hash marks, he refuses to run. I think hes ran 3 rb screens this year,matching his total from previous 4. Thats me assuming he has atleast ran 3 over 4 years. I want well coached and executed screens 24/7 whiskey. I need it, give it to me.

Charlie Weiss is garbage and ran ND's program to the ground. Get over him

 

[Circa]

Cuz weiss running a program, or just being an oc are so comparable whiskey. Ill make it more simple, kelly will suck as an oc for me because he doesnt call rb screens or rb passes in general . Or run well designed wr screens, luckily fuller is a pimp. Basically any play that takes advantage of the college hash marks, he refuses to run. I think hes ran 3 rb screens this year,matching his total from previous 4. Thats me assuming he has atleast ran 3 over 4 years. I want well coached and executed screens 24/7 whiskey. I need it, give it to me.

The evolution of offensive play calling is continuing every day. I'm pretty happy we have a coach who can see the D and have a schematic advantage! I'm just not seeing why you would change something that's clearly not broken yet and is always getting better?

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[nsisk157]

Haven't read all 785 posts so don't know if this has been asked:

If the roles were 100% reversed, do you think the officials would have thrown the flag on FSU???

highly, highly unlikely IMO...

 

[Circa]

Really dislike ESPN but ole Gene W has a pretty good read here. "Instead, an official made the controversial call (I swear I saw the referee ask the official who threw the flag, "Are you sure?" before breaking the news to America and the two teams on his ref mike). The Irish were faced with another fourth-and-18, but unlike the earlier near-miracle conversion in the drive, this Everett Golson pass settled into the arms of FSU's Jacob Pugh." 'GeneW.'

The BMOC isn't sure about Florida State after Notre Dame game - ESPN

 

[Bugzly21]

Some of y'llare taking this loss bad if arguing for Weis as a good HC and comparing Kelly to him.

 

[Bugzly21]

This is how dumb the ref that called the PI is, after the penalty on the last play he called it a clean interception even though the defender was outside the endzone

 

[Fbolt]

Don't know if this has been stated as I'm not going to review all the pages.

I like it that BK stood up and called out FSU and the ACC refs. He - to the best of my recollection - has never done that at ND. He's always taken it on the chin, sucked it up, and moved on. Tactical move.

Do not like the CW bashing. He tried but just couldn't hackk the HC opportunity. As an OC, he was pretty good. But really, a RB screen does not an OC make. I love them too-especially if it's up the middle and caught by the "Bus". Times change and everyone has to adapt. I have.

 

[Pachuco]

Sorry if this has been covered already...

I respect the heck out of Cam, but Coach Kelly should consider taking more of a risk on kickoff returns.

His sure hands are a positive for fielding the ball, but Cam poses very little of a threat due to his lack of speed.

 

[NDTH91]

Sorry if this has been covered already...

I respect the heck out of Cam, but Coach Kelly should consider taking more of a risk on kickoff returns.

His sure hands are a positive for fielding the ball, but Cam poses very little of a threat due to his lack of speed.

Agreed. I know he's small and maybe fragile, but I would love to see Fuller back there (i know, i know, we can't risk it blah blah blah - it would be fun to watch). I would at least like to see Prosise or Brown get a crack. Someone with that extra gear who can just run past people.

 

[Bluto]

Sorry if this has been covered already...

I respect the heck out of Cam, but Coach Kelly should consider taking more of a risk on kickoff returns.

His sure hands are a positive for fielding the ball, but Cam poses very little of a threat due to his lack of speed.

I'm pretty sure cam is back there to block. FSU just so happened to kick it to him. Carlisle was doing pretty good up until his injury. Maybe get Tori Hunter back there and see what happens?

 

[NDTH91]

I'm pretty sure cam is back there to block. FSU just so happened to kick it to him. Carlisle was doing pretty good up until his injury. Maybe get Tori Hunter back there and see what happens?

I'd be for it.

IMO Carlisle will never break one because he doesn't have that extra gear. He's - wait for it - quicker than fast. The top speed is what makes kick returners dangerous. You can't juke your way to a TD (punts are a diff story). Speed is what made GA3 a threat (lord knows he wasn't the most elusive guy), and speed is what we need if we want a threat back there again.

We have a need... FOR SPEED!

 

[irishog77]

It's difficult to take posters serious...cuz ur writing like u c from a 9th grader texting.

 

[NDTH91]

It's difficult to take posters seriously...cuz ur writing like u c from a 9th grader texting.

Reading the last 10 or so posts, I'm not sure what you're talking about... Did I not dig deep enough?

Edit: At the risk of typing like a 9th grader - FIFY (fixed it for you)

 

[Luckylucci]

I'm pretty sure cam is back there to block. FSU just so happened to kick it to him. Carlisle was doing pretty good up until his injury. Maybe get Tori Hunter back there and see what happens?

There seemed to be a lot of confusion between Cam and Carlisle during the UNC game. Carlisle was back to return but he kept wanting to come out and Cam kept wanting him to take a knee, it resulted in some ugly returns. The solution seems to be having Cam return kicks because he was the guy versus FSU.

 

[Redbar]

Haven't read all 785 posts so don't know if this has been asked:

If the roles were 100% reversed, do you think the officials would have thrown the flag on FSU???

I also highly doubt it.

I have another question for you though, if EG had thrown the football to either CJ or Will instead of the wide open Corey, would it have been defensive PI or at least defensive holding? I bet yes.

 

[CanadianIrishFan306]

Do you guys think if they didn't throw the flag people would complain about the no call or just ignore it?

 

[CanadianIrishFan306]

Do you guys think if they didn't throw the flag people would complain about the no call or just ignore it?

 

[irish o'phile]

If the flag was thrown in the forest, and no one was around to hear it, would it have made a noise?

 

[stlnd01]

Do you guys think if they didn't throw the flag people would complain about the no call or just ignore it?

No. The FSU coaching staff might have griped to refs on the field, but Robinson was so wide open on that play that there would have been no wider clamor for an offensive pass interference call. Which doesn't mean it wasn't the correct call.
At this point I'm actually more upset about them not flagging the FSU player who took his helmet off. We'd have had two shots from the nine, instead of one from the 18.

 

[IrishLax]

No. The FSU coaching staff might have griped to refs on the field, but Robinson was so wide open on that play that there would have been no wider clamor for an offensive pass interference call. Which doesn't mean it wasn't the correct call.
At this point I'm actually more upset about them not flagging the FSU player who took his helmet off. We'd have had two shots from the nine, instead of one from the 18.

I honestly think in 13 seconds we could've easily gotten 3 shots into the endzone. It takes about 4-5 seconds to run a short pass play... 7 seconds is considered the "max" an incomplete pass play should take. So that missed call is really huge.

 

[ThePiombino]

I honestly think in 13 seconds we could've easily gotten 3 shots into the endzone. It takes about 4-5 seconds to run a short pass play... 7 seconds is considered the "max" an incomplete pass play should take. So that missed call is really huge.

Even if it's one shot (which it would be at least two barring a brain fart), I like our chances from inside the 10 better. The officials effed us more than one way on this. Cold.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

I honestly think in 13 seconds we could've easily gotten 3 shots into the endzone. It takes about 4-5 seconds to run a short pass play... 7 seconds is considered the "max" an incomplete pass play should take. So that missed call is really huge.

I'm more upset about this than the OPI. You can't miss that call in a situation like that. The officials, one in particular, totally botched the end of the game. It's funny, because this morning on Evan & Phillips (sirius xm sports radio), they announced this bit of information and Evan was floored. The sports bite guy, Mike, explained to him the whole scenario and then asked, "Now do you think ND got screwed?" Evan immediately replied, "Yes."

Look, I get that what's done is done. But this game was EPIC and destined to be an instant classic. Two unbeaten, top 5 giants, going head to head. Two polar opposite programs in terms of integrity. An unbelievable amount of "noise" surrounding FSU heading into the game. And the outcome was determined by the refs...not the players. It wasn't just the OPI call. But entire last series in the redzone for ND was fudged up. It's sickening and ruined what could've been a spectacular finish to one of the best games in CFB this year.