Post Game Observations (Florida State '14)

[kmoose]

Completely agree, 100%. This one hurts even more than it did Saturday. Slow day at work, so I've had the game replay posted in the other thread playing on my side monitor... I didn't hear the Winston / Fisher convo while they were hugging after the game. Literally almost got sick at work.

ND won the game. They fvcking won the game. The worst part is listening to all of my a-hole friends talk shit about how it was the "correct" call.

No. The worst part is that those kids played their hearts out, and fell just short through no real fault of their own.

But for many of you, that's what matters: you! You got arrogant and cocky and went around bragging to your friends about how ND was going to win this game. Now that we lost, you are taking it back in spades, and it's bruising your ego something fierce. So, therefore, it cannot be that Notre Dame lost. WE WON!!! THE GAME WAS SIMPLY STOLEN FROM US!! So don't let your friends give you any shit, because we really won the game. The officials just stole it from us.

 

[blackirish]

I gladly ate a ton of crow on Saturday night. This is the performance I needed to see. ND can play w/ anybody this year & they should be better next year. Remember it's still CFB though so don't be surprised if ND & FSU get beat in one of their remaining games OR they both run the table and both make the playoffs. ND's remaining road is much tougher than the 'Noles but I'll be watching that Thursday night game vs. Petrino upcoming. Good thing for FSU they're on a bye this week but Strong left a solid D in Louisville & Petrino will score points. I can't believe I have to root for FSU the reaminder of the regular season but I will begrudgingly wish them to convincingly win their remaining slate. BTW....loved watching Darby get owned for the majority of the game...punk.

No disrespect irishdodger, but I'm tired of the WE CAN PLAY WITH ANYBODY, hell if we want to look at it that way , NC played with us. ! hell let some of the fans of FSU tell it, they thought that there team played a so so game and that's why they barely won, but the point I'm trying to make is that it's time to start winning these types of games against the FSU's, and Alabamas because if we don't then we're just another good program that get's up for the socalled Big Game.

 

[IrishLion]

My biggest complaint was the screen call to Prosise at the end. A throw behind the LOS, and you have to burn a timeout if he doesn't get out. I would have rather seen a Folston run up the middle, if you're going to run a play that isn't a throw to the endzone.

 

[IrishinSyria]

I have watched video from all 3 angles. The end zone angle in particular shows that Fuller was never blocking. He never initiated contact with the DB which would be required to make the case that he was blocking. In fact, the DB ran into him because Fuller ran a fake to the outside, which is very easy to see from that angle. This is also very clear from the short side (opposite of the broadcast angle) where the judge had full view of all three WRs and called it a TD.

Fuller faked right by taking a quick step, then moved left. Immediately, the DB came into contact with him. The ball had been thrown at that point. If Fuller had intended to block, he would have moved straight toward his defender, raised his hands to the DB jersey, and pushed backward. THIS NEVER HAPPENED. Again, all three video angles are presented in the blown call thread for your reviewing pleasure.

Where do you get the required from? You have this whole explanation for the elements of an offensive pass interference which, as far as I can tell, has absolutely nothing to do with the official rules.

According to you, the elements of OPI are: 1) WR must initiate contact, 2)WR must move straight toward the defender, 3) WR must raise hands to the DB's jersey, and 4) WR must push backward.

None of that is in the rule book, but you keep on posting it with certainty so please, tell me where you get your definition of OPI from. My reading of the rules is that there is a very deliberate attempt to place a heightened burden on the offensive player for the very purpose of penalizing pick plays.

 

[tussin]

No. The worst part is that those kids played their hearts out, and fell just short through no real fault of their own.

But for many of you, that's what matters: you! You got arrogant and cocky and went around bragging to your friends about how ND was going to win this game. Now that we lost, you are taking it back in spades, and it's bruising your ego something fierce. So, therefore, it cannot be that Notre Dame lost. WE WON!!! THE GAME WAS SIMPLY STOLEN FROM US!! So don't let your friends give you any shit, because we really won the game. The officials just stole it from us.

Can you stop? Perhaps leave the site for an extended period of time?

You have no idea how arrogant or cocky I was leading up to the game. You have no idea what I was telling my friends. I actually told them I thought we were going to lose. You may not realize this, because I suspect you don't have many friends, but part of the camaraderie of male friendship (particularly concerning sports) is beating on your friends when they are down.

It's great though that you are always thinking team first! You're a true saint. Hopefully BK will cite you as an example of selflessness in the next team meeting.

 

[kmoose]

My biggest complaint was the screen call to Prosise at the end. A throw behind the LOS, and you have to burn a timeout if he doesn't get out. I would have rather seen a Folston run up the middle, if you're going to run a play that isn't a throw to the endzone.

Also, Fuller seems to run better in traffic. So if you are going to try to run a quick pass, and let a little shifty guy try to make a couple of guys miss and get into the end zone? I'd rather it go to Fuller.

 

[phork]

You know what? I am totally chill now. The media blabbers are all on NDs knob and most want to see them in the playoff.

Win out and none of this matters.

 

[IrishinSyria]

My biggest complaint was the screen call to Prosise at the end. A throw behind the LOS, and you have to burn a timeout if he doesn't get out. I would have rather seen a Folston run up the middle, if you're going to run a play that isn't a throw to the endzone.

I was screaming RUN THE BALL at my TV right before that play. That being said, the bubble screen was good for at least 5 yards every other time we ran it (maybe 3 once) so I can't really fault the play call.

 

[kmoose]

Can you stop? Perhaps leave the site for an extended period of time?

Funny, I was just thinking the same thing about you. Perhaps since you are the angry one, maybe it is you who should take a break and calm down?

 

[Whiskeyjack]

No. The worst part is that those kids played their hearts out, and fell just short through no real fault of their own.

But for many of you, that's what matters: you! You got arrogant and cocky and went around bragging to your friends about how ND was going to win this game. Now that we lost, you are taking it back in spades, and it's bruising your ego something fierce. So, therefore, it cannot be that Notre Dame lost. WE WON!!! THE GAME WAS SIMPLY STOLEN FROM US!! So don't let your friends give you any shit, because we really won the game. The officials just stole it from us.

You really enjoy playing the condescending scold, don't you? There are other message boards better suited to hard-nosed realists like yourself, moose.

I doubt anyone from IE was bragging about how we'd win the game. Many of us were quietly confident that we could win, and depending on one's view of Pat Ryan, we may actually have been robbed. Holding such an opinion does not indicate a sense of entitlement, nor a flaw in one's character.

On a more serious note, your post quoted above is completely devoid of content. You're simply hectoring tussin over his very natural response to a controversial and emotional loss. I've given you the benefit of the doubt so far, but you're basically just trolling those who disagree with you now. Knock it off, or there will be consequences.

 

[ACamp1900]

I was screaming RUN THE BALL at my TV right before that play. That being said, the bubble screen was good for at least 5 yards every other time we ran it (maybe 3 once) so I can't really fault the play call.

In my haze I believe I remember screaming for them to run the ball also... the last series' play calling was a bit maddening.

 

[wizards8507]

You really enjoy playing the condescending scold, don't you? There are other message boards better suited to hard-nosed realists like yourself, moose.

Come on, Whiskey. You're better than the "you better agree with the cool kids or get yourself on over to ND Nation" argument.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

This says much better than what my long winded response was attempting to say....

I've been around for a long time and see a lot of ND games.

Still to this day the game that bothers me the most is 1993 vs BC

 

[tussin]

Funny, I was just thinking the same thing about you. Perhaps since you are the angry one, maybe it is you who should take a break and calm down?

Ha, I was having a back and forth with Whiskey concern a mutual reaction to the game and you butted in with a personal attack loaded with assumptions of how I felt pre- and how I should feel post-game.

Congrats, you're the lucky recipient of the first neg I've ever given out on this website. :awesomewo

 

[kmoose]

You really enjoy playing the condescending scold, don't you? There are other message boards better suited to hard-nosed realists like yourself, moose.

I doubt anyone from IE was bragging about how we'd win the game. Many of us were quietly confident that we could win, and depending on one's view of Pat Ryan, we may actually have been robbed. Holding such an opinion does not indicate a sense of entitlement, or a moral flaw in one's character.

On a more serious note, your post quoted above is completely devoid of content. You're simply hectoring tussin over his very natural response to a controversial and emotional loss. I've given you the benefit of the doubt so far, but you're basically just trolling those who disagree with you now. Knock it off, or there will be consequences.

Who is this hector guy, anyway?

So people can talk to me however they want, call me names, question my intelligence....... all of this can go on without a single word from you. But, when I make an observation about other people's behaviors, or try to respond to their specific points, I am "hectoring", whatever that means?

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Come on, Whiskey. You're better than the "you better agree with the cool kids or get yourself on over to ND Nation" argument.

He doesn't have to agree. He's welcome to argue, calmly and objectively, that the call was correct. What he's not entitled to do is lecture us on what an acceptable emotional reaction to this loss is.

He has derailed his thread many times by taunting others for feeling cheated over the loss. In my book, that's a form of trolling. He's gotten a lot of slack so far, but it needs to stop, or he's getting a vacation.

 

[IrishinSyria]

In my haze I believe I remember screaming for them to run the ball also... the last series' play calling was a bit maddening.

I would argue the last two series were somewhat maddening. If I have one critique of Kelly, it's that when the pressure is really on he has a tendency to move away from his game plan and revert to an offense that tries to do too much through the air.

In fact, I just went through and counted our running plays in the first half: we had 23 out of a total of 35 for the night. That aspect of our offense was working, no idea why we abandoned it in the second half.

 

[kmoose]

Ha, I was having a back and forth with Whiskey concern a mutual reaction to the game and you butted in with a personal attack loaded with assumptions of how I felt pre- and how I should feel post-game.

Congrats, you're the lucky recipient of the first neg I've ever given out on this website. :awesomewo

I never singled you out for how you felt before the game. But if you have a guilty conscience............

 

[ACamp1900]

I've been around for a long time and see a lot of ND games.

Still to this day the game that bothers me the most is 1993 vs BC

agree, UM 2011 is up there too... but BC 93 haunts me dreams... I've still never lived it down.

 

[wizards8507]

So people can talk to me however they want, call me names, question my intelligence....... all of this can go on without a single word from you.

At least you don't work for ESPN. I'm officially disqualified from ever commenting on Notre Dame football ever again because I, like my overlords, clearly hate the Irish due to some sort of pro-southern and/or anti-Catholic bias. Because if there's one thing folks from Bristol, Connecticut are known for, it's pro-southern bias.

But, when I make an observation about other people's behaviors, or try to respond to their specific points, I am "hectoring", whatever that means?

How many neg reps have you gotten? I was hit with two drunk ones last night but I've been busy at work today.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

So people can talk to me however they want, call me names, question my intelligence....... all of this can go on without a single word from you. But, when I make an observation about other people's behaviors, or try to respond to their specific points, I am "hectoring", whatever that means?

Most of the ad hominem directed your way was in direct response to you calling others "unmanly", "whiners", "arrogant", "cocky", etc. But if I missed something that crossed the line, link me to the post so I can see it. The other mods have spent plenty of time in this thread, and I'm sure most of them would agree that you've brought this on yourself.

If you'd like a return to civility, I'd suggest that you stop trying to tell people how they're allowed to feel about the loss, and stick to discussing objective aspects of the game itself.

 

[ACamp1900]

At least you don't work for ESPN. I'm officially disqualified from ever commenting on Notre Dame football ever again because I, like my overlords, clearly hate the Irish due to some sort of pro-southern and/or anti-Catholic bias. Because if there's one thing folks from Bristol, Connecticut are known for, it's pro-southern bias.


How many neg reps have you gotten? I was hit with two drunk ones last night but I've been busy at work today.

You work for ESPN???!!!

...

Okay, I'm done defending him... ban him

 

[kmoose]

How many neg reps have you gotten? I was hit with two drunk ones last night but I've been busy at work today.

5 positive, 3 negative. I guess I'm not a very good troll

 

[IrishinSyria]

agree, UM 2011 is up there too... but BC 93 haunts me dreams... I've still never lived it down.

BC 2002 and USC 2005 are definitely up there too.

I'd put this in the same boat as the USC 2005 game: great game, good loss, and one play I will have nightmares about for years. Just like the USC 2005 game, we were in a position for that one play to not matter, and a great opponent was forced to do some pretty great things themselves to make it come down to one play. Also, much like the USC game, I am sure that the team who ended up winning this one will be forced to vacate their win sooner or later.

 

[kmoose]

If you'd like a return to civility, I'd suggest that you stop trying to tell people how they're allowed to feel about the loss, and stick to discussing objective aspects of the game itself.

If people don't want others to comment on their feelings, then they should keep their feelings off of a message board. Once you put it out there, you can't cry when people criticize it. And that's the second time you have accused me of calling someone "unmanly", which I have not done once in this thread. If you are going to chastise me, don't you think you ought to do it for something I actually did?

 

[ACamp1900]

BC 2002 and USC 2005 are definitely up there too.

I'd put this in the same boat as the USC 2005 game: great game, good loss, and one play I will have nightmares about for years. Just like the USC 2005 game, we were in a position for that one play to not matter, and a great opponent was forced to do some pretty great things themselves to make it come down to one play. Also, much like the USC game, I am sure that the team who ended up winning this one will be forced to vacate their win sooner or later.

I seriously doubt I'll ever watch Saturday's game again though... For one reason or another I can watch the 89 Miami game (it made me an Irish fan) and the 1991 Orange Bowl (clipping call)... I have a hard time watching any ND loss other than those and the thought of re- watching the Bush push game is pretty much on par with getting a tooth pulled without pain meds...

 

[gkIrish]

5 positive, 3 negative. I guess I'm not a very good troll

Considering it usually takes a lot for someone to give someone else a neg rep, I wouldn't be too proud of your ratio.

 

[IrishinSyria]

I'll I seriously doubt I'll ever watch Saturday's game again though... For one reason or another I can watch the 89 Miami game (it made me an Irish fan) and the 1991 Orange Bowl (clipping call)... I have a hard time watching any ND loss other than those and the thought of re- watching the Bush push game is pretty much on par with getting a tooth pulled without pain meds...

Like I said, I still have nightmares about that game: not only the final play but the stop before (how does a fumble out of bounds help the offensive team???) and the 4th and 9 blown coverage.

This one has a few of its own: Winston's last pass, the bubble screen, no call on the dPI in the end zone, and the last two plays

 

[Classic Irish]

Also, much like the USC game, I am sure that the team who ended up winning this one will be forced to vacate their win sooner or later.

This^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[JohnnyJasper]

I've been around for a long time and see a lot of ND games.

Still to this day the game that bothers me the most is 1993 vs BC

What everyone is feeling and what it believe everyone could agree with that just makes us so infuriated and sickened by this game is at the end of it we can't say "WE WON!" like we all did when the TD to Robinson was caught initially. This will only make us hungrier for more. I have a funny feeling that we haven't seen the last of Winston. And I have zero concerns going into that game when the time comes and the rest of the games this season/playoff. We are ND.