Post Game Impressions

[BGIF]

I'm assuming BK didn't run Golson because A) he doesn't want to risk injury and ...

On target!

Seems a lot of people forget there were only 3 QBs on the plane and one isn't playing this year unless everybody in front of him goes down.

As others have noted, we also didn't need his running. The OLine opened holes and teh RBs churned out yds.

Aside from the increased injury possibility of planned QB runs, why show PU, MSU, and the rest anything until it's needed. Same with long pass plays. Build the chemistry of QB and new receiving corps. Get them on the same page. Let their DCs prepare using HS and B&G clips. And let their DBs cheat.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Cierre Wood earned his starting spot by being by a good margin the best running back on the team.

 

[koonja]

Cierre Wood earned his starting spot by being by a good margin the best running back on the team.

Word. I think HCTI just misses Tommy

 

[Fbolt]

Again, I never said it was the rest of the season......I said he should earn his spot back and right now, he'd be #3 on the depth chart based on this past weeks play. Why would you punish Theo and GA3 by reinserting him following a suspension for burning the hippie lettuce??? Are you out of your mind? If you automatically insert him come Moo U week, what does that say to your team? Go burn a rope....bad on you. Serve your suspension and come back and take over. What does that say to the kids that are putting up numbers, doing their jobs on and off the field? So you're going to reward Cierre with a start off of suspension when he's burned his teammates already?

Stay out of my foxhole, Son.

source on dope smoking - or is this being tossed out there?

 

[NDinL.A.]

I bet you GA111 has a higher ypc than Cierre at the end of the year, and if both are healthy GA111 outshines him against USC and OKLA.

First off, that's not what you originally said. You said that Wood disappeared in big games, which was quickly debunked and you haven't said a word about it since. Second of all, it's MUCH easier to get a higher ypc average when you aren't running as much, and when you aren't asked to get a yard on 3rd and one or 2 yds on 2 plays near the goal-line. Those types of plays bring down your ypc.

No one is debating that... We're debating whether he should be re-inserted over kids that didn't break the rules and had great success against Navy. Why punish them when they weren't the ones smoking dope. Wake up.

Actually, you probably should wake up son because that is exactly what we were debating. Read georgia irish's contribution and you'll see what we are debating. It's quite easy to see there are two debates going on here.

As for that other debate, if Cierre gets suspended for 2 games (thus serving his punishment) and still practices hard and proves he's the best running back on the team in practice, explain to me how that is not earning his spot back? What else does he need to do to earn it back? Sit another game? Ridiculous. If he's the best back, AFTER he serves his suspension, and he's busting his arse in practice, then he's earned his carries. I'd say the same thing about any player on any team in America (and every team in America does this), including Tommy Rees, who unfortunately for him isn't the best player at his position.

We don't need to punish Cierre twice...

 

[irish1958]

Bringing back the wishbone? hehe

I saw Malik Zaire's game last Friday and they ran the wishbone a lot. Incidentally, this kid looks like the real deal.
Maybe it has been mentioned, but I liked GWIII's class when he gentially placed the ball on the turf when he scored. I also wasn't impressed when Theo was strutting around after his touchdown on the opening series, especially since the blocking on the play was so great that my deceased grandmother could have scored.

 

[Grahambo]

Let us not forget that Cierre is a really good and strong pass blocker. He is really underrated at picking up the blitz.

Cierre, Theo, GAIII (Allows Amir to slowly get acclimated and Cam can focus a bit more on defense.)

 

[georgia irish]

ND in LA i went to sleep, but I picked GA111 to be my suprise player of the year.Did anybody see that he had half the touches that Riddick and almost as many yards.The reason is because he can take it to the house once he is gets past the lineman.Oh yea.

 

[Old Man Mike]

I have nothing to say on this "debate"; Kelly will handle it exactly as he said --- Cierre will be back working out fully with the team and showing who he is [he probably has already privately apologized to the team]. Assuming that his body and mind are fully functional [to my knowledge and expectation everything there will be full go], Kelly will do what he always does: assess who is most helpful to our winning the games. Cierre in that sense could be starting or not starting ANY game of the season in the way Coach manages a team. Coach knows exactly what he has in Cierre. All he's going to do is see how hard he works practices.

On a side issue: maybe someone could inform me since I had no clear transmission of any of the game here. On the sack of Everett, it seemed to my fogged memory that both Golic and Lombard slanted left with their blocks [decisively] as if confident that someone was going to pick up the wide rusher. There was no attempt even to look his way. Golson also did not check this direction. Someone HAD to be assigned that block unless the play was supposed to be away immediately. What do you guys think happened?

Was it a blown RB blitz pick-up assignment [in which case it could relate to the Cierre in or out argument]? Was the TE AND/OR the RB on the wrong side at the snap [in which case the blame is mostly on Everett in pre-snap read]? Did Lombard read it wrong [in which case the problem was either his or Braxton's on a mis-call]? Hiestand and Kelly and Martin will know of course, but I'm still curious.

And as to the fullboat RB availability non-problem: when we have everybody available I believe [and look forward to] some initial split back sets with confusing motion surprises pre-snap. Sometimes Cierre will be the pseudo-slotback in these things and receiving a quick pass.

 

[PANDFAN]

so many RBs makes me concerned about allowing them to get into a rhythm.

Oregon has no prob getting several rbs touches..I think this is.kind of the old thinking but w the way college football is evolving w speed and offenses this has changed since it isn't a prostyle offense...someone like msu then yes

I have nothing to say on this "debate"; Kelly will handle it exactly as he said --- Cierre will be back working out fully with the team and showing who he is [he probably has already privately apologized to the team]. Assuming that his body and mind are fully functional [to my knowledge and expectation everything there will be full go], Kelly will do what he always does: assess who is most helpful to our winning the games. Cierre in that sense could be starting or not starting ANY game of the season in the way Coach manages a team. Coach knows exactly what he has in Cierre. All he's going to do is see how hard he works practices.

On a side issue: maybe someone could inform me since I had no clear transmission of any of the game here. On the sack of Everett, it seemed to my fogged memory that both Golic and Lombard slanted left with their blocks [decisively] as if confident that someone was going to pick up the wide rusher. There was no attempt even to look his way. Golson also did not check this direction. Someone HAD to be assigned that block unless the play was supposed to be away immediately. What do you guys think happened?

Was it a blown RB blitz pick-up assignment [in which case it could relate to the Cierre in or out argument]? Was the TE AND/OR the RB on the wrong side at the snap [in which case the blame is mostly on Everett in pre-snap read]? Did Lombard read it wrong [in which case the problem was either his or Braxton's on a mis-call]? Hiestand and Kelly and Martin will know of course, but I'm still curious.

And as to the fullboat RB availability non-problem: when we have everybody available I believe [and look forward to] some initial split back sets with confusing motion surprises pre-snap. Sometimes Cierre will be the pseudo-slotback in these things and receiving a quick pass.

According to BK it was a miscommunication between golson and Martin in the protection he saw

 

[NDinL.A.]

ND in LA i went to sleep, but I picked GA111 to be my suprise player of the year.Did anybody see that he had half the touches that Riddick and almost as many yards.The reason is because he can take it to the house once he is gets past the lineman.Oh yea.

Congrats on making the "surprise" pick that no one would be surprised about.

Back on point, the whole argument started when you said Cierre disappeared in big games. That was debunked, but you haven't said boo about that since. That was the whole argument; it had nothing to do with GAIII.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Oregon has no prob getting several rbs touches..I think this is.kind of the old thinking but w the way college football is evolving w speed and offenses this has changed since it isn't a prostyle offense...someone like msu then yes

Oregon runs a lot more plays, so they have more opportunities. We're nowhere near running our offense at the speed of Oregon's.

Also, they get 2 RBs touches, and the third only a few. For example, last year James got the bulk of the carries, followed by Kenyon. DAT would get maybe 5 carries, but they would throw him the ball much more (he was basically a slot back last year).

So in order for our RBs to get the touches that OU's RBs get, we'd have to run a ton more plays (not gonna happen for awhile if ever) and we'd have to throw the ball to one of them much more out of the slot (top choice would have to be Riddick considering he played there before.)

Look for GAIII to get more touches in the mold of DAT, which weren't very many in close games, but he just made the absolute most out of them...

 

[UmphreakDomer]

someone cue me in on something:

is cierre's touches in practice dropped or lessened due to suspension, like the QB position? or are there enough of these touches to go around for all of the backs?

also, dont know if you guys saw it, but cierre tweeted after the game: "glad that scrimmage is over". or something to that effect. seems a tad negative. maybe the tweets earlier in fall camp about "not being around next year" added to this suspension. maybe kelly doesnt want everyone to be looking forward to the nfl and letting the world know about it.

 

[RallySon]

It's twitter, no reason to interpret anything.

Gloating on twitter isn't illegal I wouldn't think.

 

[NDinL.A.]

someone cue me in on something:

is cierre's touches in practice dropped or lessened due to suspension, like the QB position? or are there enough of these touches to go around for all of the backs?

also, dont know if you guys saw it, but cierre tweeted after the game: "glad that scrimmage is over". or something to that effect. seems a tad negative. maybe the tweets earlier in fall camp about "not being around next year" added to this suspension. maybe kelly doesnt want everyone to be looking forward to the nfl and letting the world know about it.

I don't read twitter much, but on another site they were saying that Cierre's tweets were very positive about the game.

 

[UmphreakDomer]

I don't read twitter much, but on another site they were saying that Cierre's tweets were very positive about the game.

good deal. maybe i was looking for something to be wrong.

now--about my first question....thoughts?

 

[Ironman8]

Hey guys,

Finally back from my dream week. Saturday was absolutely perfect. Aviva is easily the nicest and most beautiful stadium I have ever been in.

I have a ton of pictures from the week and the game, and will work on trying to upload and share them. Have some great stories from the week - including a hysterical one concerning Cris Collinsworth.

Stephon Tuitt and Jarron Jones are so unbelievably massive in person. I can't understand how someone can be that large and athletic.

Hated to leave, but my liver couldn't handle another day. Great start for our boys - there was no point in that game anyone there thought it was in question. Both lines had complete control.

 

[PANDFAN]

Oregon runs a lot more plays, so they have more opportunities. We're nowhere near running our offense at the speed of Oregon's.

Also, they get 2 RBs touches, and the third only a few. For example, last year James got the bulk of the carries, followed by Kenyon. DAT would get maybe 5 carries, but they would throw him the ball much more (he was basically a slot back last year).

So in order for our RBs to get the touches that OU's RBs get, we'd have to run a ton more plays (not gonna happen for awhile if ever) and we'd have to throw the ball to one of them much more out of the slot (top choice would have to be Riddick considering he played there before.)

Look for GAIII to get more touches in the mold of DAT, which weren't very many in close games, but he just made the absolute most out of them...

They also get running plays from the qb so actually they are spreading it between 4...I used them as an example because they have a lot of talent in the backfield and just stating that they don't have a problem w production because of anyone not having a chance to get into a rythem...much like them dat is a homerun threat much like ga3 will be for us...while ceirre will be the James(last year) and theo being barnjer.
Cierre will get prob 50% of carries
Theo 35%
Ga3 15%

This is obviously my opinion but feel we have a similar structure

 

[phgreek]

Hey guys,

Finally back from my dream week. Saturday was absolutely perfect. Aviva is easily the nicest and most beautiful stadium I have ever been in.

I have a ton of pictures from the week and the game, and will work on trying to upload and share them. Have some great stories from the week - including a hysterical one concerning Cris Collinsworth.

Stephon Tuitt and Jarron Jones are so unbelievably massive in person. I can't understand how someone can be that large and athletic.

Hated to leave, but my liver couldn't handle another day. Great start for our boys - there was no point in that game anyone there thought it was in question. Both lines had complete control.

Dude fire away...can't wait to see/hear...maybe it is worthy of its own thread???

 

[PLACforever]

So is Mark May. He said it was unnecessary.

Did he mention USC keeping Barkley in for some of the 4th quarter and marching down the field when they were up on Hawaii as much as we were on Navy?
Mark May is a goofy looking fool.

 

[TheTurningPoint]

I think Cierre was referring to a 50-10 beat down of Navy as a scrimmage...

 

[NDinL.A.]

They also get running plays from the qb so actually they are spreading it between 4...I used them as an example because they have a lot of talent in the backfield and just stating that they don't have a problem w production because of anyone not having a chance to get into a rythem...much like them dat is a homerun threat much like ga3 will be for us...while ceirre will be the James(last year) and theo being barnjer.
Cierre will get prob 50% of carries
Theo 35%
Ga3 15%

This is obviously my opinion but feel we have a similar structure

I agree 100% with how we'll see it play out eventually, percentage wise. Maybe a little less Cierre and a little more Theo the first couple games back for Cierre, but after that 50/35/15 sounds like a great guess...

 

[TheTurningPoint]

Also what is getting lost and I feel is the best thing that happened Saturday is that ND FINISHED the game. There wasn't a WTF here we go again moment, not a well now we got a game moment. Navy was driving to make to 20-7, but then Tuitt takes it to the house. Over the last 5-10 years past ND teams would have let them back in it, or taken that foot off the pedal. If Kelly has weeded that out, then fellas, I'll bet ya we have a damn good year just the fact these kids know how to win. Cant underestimate the lessons they learned @ Pitt, @ Wake, BC, usc, and the fsu game. There was ZERO sense of negativity on that sideline and field saturday.

 

[UmphreakDomer]

I think Cierre was referring to a 50-10 beat down of Navy as a scrimmage...

correct. i'm not disputing that.

my point being, and at this time, its moot, but there was nothing positive about that tweet. it seemed jaded. again, maybe i was expecting more, or not surprised because he's a trash talker.

i will say, i dont tweet. i have an app on my phone that has re-tweets by eric hansen. they are pretty arbitrary at times. but, i didnt see anything like "glad my boys got a couple apiece. go irish" you know? it just felt ho-hum in what he said.

 

[KPENN]

Also what is getting lost and I feel is the best thing that happened Saturday is that ND FINISHED the game. There wasn't a WTF here we go again moment, not a well now we got a game moment. Navy was driving to make to 20-7, but then Tuitt takes it to the house. Over the last 5-10 years past ND teams would have let them back in it, or taken that foot off the pedal. If Kelly has weeded that out, then fellas, I'll bet ya we have a damn good year just the fact these kids know how to win. Cant underestimate the lessons they learned @ Pitt, @ Wake, BC, usc, and the fsu game. There was ZERO sense of negativity on that sideline and field saturday.

To further your point, right after Navy scored at the start of the half ND drove it right back down the field and scored a TD.

 

[UmphreakDomer]

Also what is getting lost and I feel is the best thing that happened Saturday is that ND FINISHED the game. There wasn't a WTF here we go again moment, not a well now we got a game moment. Navy was driving to make to 20-7, but then Tuitt takes it to the house. Over the last 5-10 years past ND teams would have let them back in it, or taken that foot off the pedal. If Kelly has weeded that out, then fellas, I'll bet ya we have a damn good year just the fact these kids know how to win. Cant underestimate the lessons they learned @ Pitt, @ Wake, BC, usc, and the fsu game. There was ZERO sense of negativity on that sideline and field saturday.

i agree with everything here and it all makes me happy.

the bolded part is especially true. my pops and i have been saying that for years as well. and in all honesty--there wasnt a *huge* drop off in the 2nd team, offensively and defensively.

 

[UmphreakDomer]

To further your point, right after Navy scored at the start of the half ND drove it right back down the field and scored a TD.

and made the proper defensive adjustment to stop their next offensive drive with a pick from manti.

 

[Old Man Mike]

I got the impression that this season the whole team actually thinks we're not only good but that we're winners. [this is not a statement by me that this is true or a proven fact, just the impression that I get from not only the game but the practice comments et al]. Last year I thought that we were saying all the "right" things that we thought we had to say, but that there was some doubt about it. I believe that this came from not being completely into the systems yet and people [some] being uncomfortable with their own or some teammate's role. I don't sense that yet this year, but rather the opposite. A good solid win over Purdue would inoculate that. Here's to that next week.

 

[Irish#1]

What we saw Saturday was exactly what we were hoping for. A very solid beating of a team we have struggled with for the last five years. A couple of mistakes here and there, but where were the penalties and turnovers? To me that was the biggest positive to this game.

We saw enough evidence that we are a pretty good team with solid lines on both sides of the ball. Our corners will be a concern, but they have to go thru the growing pains. Golsen looked better than I thought he would be with his decisions, but I thought he looked as composed as a junior or senior might.

When Woods gets back I suspect our running game will be even better. A great start and something to build upon.

 

[notredomer23]

Haven't really been able to post these thoughts, but here it goes...

* Stephon Tuitt will be a top 10 draft pick whenever he decides to leave and he will make that NFL team very happy.

* If you take away Golson's INT he played a perfect game. 12-18 passing, 3 of those incompletions were easy drops. Stud.

* Our wide receivers are going to be better than expected.

* Our tight ends are the best group in the country and its not even up for debate. If Eifert goes down you still have Niklas and Koyack(case of the dropsies, but he'll be fine). Niklas was a great blocker.

* Our running back group when Cierre gets back is going to be scary. It's scary right now, but against MSU you legitimately have four running backs capable of carrying the ball

* Ishaq needs to be on the field. When he is plays are made.

* Shembo played well, Manti played great, and not mentioned much during the game but Kapron Lewis Moore and Louis Nix quietly had huge games.

* Our secondary will be a weakness, but I do not think it will be as bad as some people are saying. The scheme we were doing was inviting them to pass the ball. We had no deep safeties. This week will be interesting to see how the secondary does. One thing is certain, we will not be running press coverage against most teams this year.

*We really really need Tommy Rees back because our place holder position is lacking.

*I know it is one week, but I believe we are a better team that expected.