Possible Miami Violations

[NYIrish14]

Interesting that Seantrel Henderson transferred from USC to Miami. Maybe the kid just loves great weather and beautiful girls...

 

[jason_h537]

No one is getting the death penalty. You guys need to stop it. At worst they get something harsher than USC got

 

[eNDzone]

No one is getting the death penalty. You guys need to stop it. At worst they get something harsher than USC got

Not saying they will. I am just wondering what would happen with the death penalty?

 

[Old Man Mike]

Also, it's not particularly "us" who are predicting any particular penalties, but just reporting what a lot of commentators "out there" are saying.

 

[GreatGolson]

well if not death penalty then perhaps "life with no chance of parole?"

 

[DomerInHappyValley]

I'm not predicting the death penalty but the facts still remain
The Statute of limitations can be bypassed for willful misconduct.
He was recognized by the school as a booster
The assistant AD and AD for most of this was the same man who said big time players need big time compliance.
And one of the links I posted earlier it was Mandel from SI said they got off probation in 2008 which would make them a repeat offender.

USC just got popped OSU is in the process of getting popped(especially now that Pryor supposedly admitted to the NCAA that his mentor was giving him money and paying for his cars).
Oregon is sitting in some hot water that looks to be getting hotter. And there will always be questions there when you remember who their biggest booster is.
The Scam Newton saga.
All those are adding up to some program is gonna be made an example of and there's every chance it could be Miami.
At the very least if all the evidence checks out and the go after them for willful.
I don't see how they escape with anything less than 30 less scholarships 4 year bowl ban and 1 year tv ban.
ETA
Allegations of NCAA violations could have Miami Hurricanes football flirting with the Death Penalty - ESPN

In 2003, the Hurricanes were put on probation and docked scholarships for baseball infractions. In the Committee on Infractions report, it defined Miami then as a repeat violator, which means that it committed major violations while already on probation for previous violations -- that would be the famed 1995 case that involved a widespread, multi-sport Pell Grant scam and other shenanigans. The Canes' football program got a one-year bowl ban in that case.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Some commentators across Florida are suspecting the Death penalty to come down due to this.

Also, as an aside, one e-mail response from an anti-Miami poster was blasted as obviously coming from Notre Dame "who never does anything wrong, right??" [even though that poster responded that the blaster wasn't even close and he should "guess again"].

They hate us , gentlemen. They hate us "because we're beautiful".

Smart, too!

 

[D-BOE34]

Im still waiting for when Kiffy boy can't keep himself clean and USC gets smacked again!

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

Im still waiting for when Kiffy boy can't keep himself clean and USC gets smacked again!

Hell, I half expect Kiffy to leave USuCk and end up in Coral Gables.... This job is right up his alley. Plus, his wife would love the South Beach scene.

 

[phork]

USC got the ban hammer from the former AD of Miami. Who was on watch when this was going down. USC was 2 guys. Miami is atleast 73. If any of these violations go back to 2001,2 or 3 then the Death Penalty rule kicks in. Meaning 5 years after the last year of probation (remember they got whacked in the 90s) and you are a repeat offender.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out. This might give the edge to Commissioners and presidents everywhere to abandon the NCAA.

Imagine it plays out that way, then you throw in your 4 super conferences.... Very interesting indeed.

 

[DomerInHappyValley]

USC got the ban hammer from the former AD of Miami. Who was on watch when this was going down. USC was 2 guys. Miami is atleast 73. If any of these violations go back to 2001,2 or 3 then the Death Penalty rule kicks in. Meaning 5 years after the last year of probation (remember they got whacked in the 90s) and you are a repeat offender.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out. This might give the edge to Commissioners and presidents everywhere to abandon the NCAA.

Imagine it plays out that way, then you throw in your 4 super conferences.... Very interesting indeed.

Nope Death penalty still in effect they got hit with stuff in their baseball program in 2003. Just got off in 2008.
Allegations of NCAA violations could have Miami Hurricanes football flirting with the Death Penalty - ESPN

In 2003, the Hurricanes were put on probation and docked scholarships for baseball infractions. In the Committee on Infractions report, it defined Miami then as a repeat violator, which means that it committed major violations while already on probation for previous violations -- that would be the famed 1995 case that involved a widespread, multi-sport Pell Grant scam and other shenanigans. The Canes' football program got a one-year bowl ban in that case.

 

[phork]

Nope Death penalty still in effect they got hit with stuff in their baseball program in 2003. Just got off in 2008.
Allegations of NCAA violations could have Miami Hurricanes football flirting with the Death Penalty - ESPN

I don't see any choice then.. Al Golden to OSU?

 

[DomerInHappyValley]

I don't see any choice then.. Al Golden to OSU?

Way I've heard it is he want's PSU, his press conference today he sounded ticked if da scr-U-ed knew about this investigation before they hired him and didn't tell him.
He may He may not since Pryor's attorney said Pryor made OSU aware of additional violations and they didn't report it when they talked to the NCAA.
Even if it is an upgrade they may be looking at some serious sanctions if Pryor isn't lying again.

 

[DomerInHappyValley]

Report: NCAA could apply ‘willful violators’ clause to Miami | CollegeFootballTalk

Miami fans take
Renegade reporter spells out litany of accusations while often failing to substantiate his claims | All About The U

 

[irish1958]

^
Wow, I am relieved; for a while there I actually thought that Miami MIGHT have done something wrong.

 

[ohara831]

The follow who wrote that did a great job of showing people what it means to be in Denial and acting like a bunch of poop wasn't about to fall on his Canes. But the NCAA is about to empty the Honey Wagon on his beloved U.

 

[Dizzyphil]

If the Convicts go down has hard as I believe they will, imagine what this could possibly do for the recruiting for FSU, FL, UCF and USF.

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[koonja]

I wonder how Sentreal Henderson is feeling right about now. Bet he wishes he was at ND.

 

[phork]

I wonder how Sentreal Henderson is feeling right about now. Bet he wishes he was at ND.

I don't think he could sp.... Nevermind. I bet ND is glad he isn't there.

 

[irishog77]

I wonder how Sentreal Henderson is feeling right about now. Bet he wishes he was at ND.

I think being from Minnesota, he was able to see a few years ago what all transpires on "yacht parties." Da U may have seemed like a logical choice.

 

[Irish Insanity]

NCAA president Mark Emmert says death penalty an option to punish rule-breakers - ESPN

"If, and I say if, we have very unique circumstances where TV bans and death penalties are warranted, then I don't think they are off the table and I would be OK with putting those in place," Emmert told The Associated Press in a telephone interview Friday.

I actually agree with Urban Meyer. If you watch the video he states that if the coaches or any staff members knew of were involved their shouldn't be allowed to hold those positions anymore. Thats something that never crossed my mind.

 

[BGIF]

I wonder how Sentreal Henderson is feeling right about now. Bet he wishes he was at ND.

He chose to sign with Southern Cal over his other finalist, OSU.

Then left Southern Cal because "Miami was a better fit".


The current leaders on the NCAA Probation Poll Top 10.


Since he's supposedly suspended for the '11 Opener might a transfer be in order to Auburn, North Carolina, ... ?

 

[BGIF]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/ncaa/08/21/miami.harris.season.ap/inde

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/ncaa/08/21/miami.harris.season.ap/inde

AP
8/21/11

...

Filling out the season's first depth chart is going to be an arduously difficult process for Miami. The accusation that Harris is one of 12 current Hurricanes who allegedly broke NCAA rules by accepting gifts from rogue booster Nevin Shapiro is overshadowing just about everything that happened on the field during training camp.

If Miami uses any player later deemed ineligible by the NCAA -- which has been investigating for months -- then the Hurricanes run the risk of having to retroactively forfeit games. If the Hurricanes sit those 12 players, most of whom are presumptive starters and in many cases expected to be NFL draft picks next year, then their chances of winning in 2011 plummet quickly.

New coach Al Golden will tip his hand on where things stand this week, when he releases Miami's depth chart for the Sept. 5 opener at Maryland.

"We don't know yet," Golden said Saturday.

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Harris is hardly alone in eligibility limbo right now. Shapiro also said Vaughn Telemaque, Ray Ray Armstrong, Travis Benjamin, Aldarius Johnson, Marcus Forston, Olivier Vernon, Marcus Robinson, Adewale Ojomo, Dyron Dye, JoJo Nicholas and Sean Spence -- a list that includes many of the players who were, or are, expected to have huge roles for Miami this season - accepted benefits from him. If Miami officials have made eligibility determinations on any of those players, no one is saying.

...

 

[irish1958]

^^
Of interest, Robinson said in an interview of The Herd that there were well over 100 players accused by Shapiro, but he only named the 72 that he could get independent confirmation on.
There could be many more ineligible players that we don't know about.

 

[BGIF]

^^
Of interest, Robinson said in an interview of The Herd that there were well over 100 players accused by Shapiro, but he only named the 72 that he could get independent confirmation on.
There could be many more ineligible players that we don't know about.

It wouldn't be suprising if there were more involved over the years with 72 documented but I doubt there are "many more ineligible players" currently on the team.

What I do find surprising is the NCAA clearing Miami transfers at others schools so quickly but not doing so for a single Miami player. It's not a question of defending Miami nor bashing the others, simply a question of fairness. Was it concidental that that the transferees infractions were all deemed marginal and not worth pursuing while current Miami players with similar infractions weren't given the same treatment?

Is the NCAA's action saying if a recruit/student athlete commits an extra benefits infraction and transfers the violation goes to the original school and doesn't stay with the player at all? I realize it's the school that is the member. But the individual should be held accoutable for his actions as well. If an student athlete transfer was found to have received extra benefits before he transferred he should pay the same penalty as those that didn't transfer. That's equal treatment.

 

[koonja]

As soon as I heard about Miami's issues I immediately checked their verbal commits and targets. I was pretty disappointed when I found that we don't have any mutual interest with any of their recruits (I was hoping we'd poach some studs). On a second thought, I guess there's a reason for that.

 

[BGIF]

As soon as I heard about Miami's issues I immediately checked their verbal commits and targets. I was pretty disappointed when I found that we don't have any mutual interest with any of their recruits (I was hoping we'd poach some studs). On a second thought, I guess there's a reason for that.

There could still be a butterfly effect that a Miami verbal now choses another school changing the depth chart picture there. That could result in another recruit at that school or considering that school to re-evaluate their decision.

Brian Smith came to ND because somebody else reconsidered their verbal.

 

[BGIF]

'Canes Eligibility Issues

'Canes Eligibility Issues

Miami Hurricanes say 15 athletes under investigation - ESPN

AP
8/22/11

The probe into Miami athletics is growing, with the university looking into the eligibility of 15 athletes who may have accepted improper benefits from a rogue booster.

Miami President Donna Shalala did not reveal any names of the players under investigation as she released a video statement Monday. The booster, convicted Ponzi scheme architect Nevin Shapiro, told Yahoo Sports for an article published last week that 12 current football players and one men's basketball player got money, gifts and other items from him.

"We cannot let the actions of some define the many," Shalala said

...

"The Miami athletic compliance staff, in a joint effort with the NCAA, is now beginning the process of reviewing the eligibility of 15 current student-athletes," Shalala said. "With the season fast approaching I know our players, coaches and fans are eager to know the results. The process, however, must be deliberate and thorough to ensure its integrity."

The university wants to decide the status of the football players by the end of this week. Football coach Al Golden is planning to release a depth chart in the coming days for the Sept. 5 opener at Maryland, a process that would become very difficult if players like Harris, Spence, Forston, Telemaque, Armstrong and Benjamin -- some of the team's on-field leaders -- are ineligible.

...

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Ex-'Canes absolved by 'limited immunity' in exchange for cooperation.

An NCAA spokesman not-so-subtly hinted to Dodd Monday that former Miami recruits Orson Charles (right, currently at Georgia), Andre Debose (Florida), Jeff Godfrey (Central Florida), Robert Marve (Purdue), Matt Patchan (Florida) and brothers Arthur and Bryce Brown (above, Kansas State) were all granted "limited immunity" that absolved them of past violations if they agreed to cooperate in the NCAA's investigation of the dozens of current and former 'Canes also caught in Shapiro's web. "The enforcement staff has been given, by the membership, a pretty important investigative tool," the spokesman said, at the NCAA's disposal "When we think that's really our only shot of getting that information." She was also clear that immunity is an extraordinary measure in an extraordinary case: Under normal circumstances, "You can't transfer to escape a penalty."

 

[ohara831]

^^^I bet there was some singing going on in those interrogations.