Position Battles (so far)

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QB: Rees is No. 2
C: Cave is No. 1
WR: Floyd, Riddick, TJ > Duval (thank goodness)
ILB: Teo' and Calabrese; Te'o is backed my Danny Spond tho. I'm really worried about that.
OLB: Neal and Fleming, backed by B. Smith and Shembo respectively
 

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Not doubting you buddy, but where did you see this stuff? Last I heard Prince was an inside backer.
 

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Thanks, wow, that is different than I expected....Prince at outside, Filer from first string a couple weeks ago, to not on the two deep????? No Shaq, and just saw on Rivals a link about him and a possible transfer, can't read it though....just gotta trust the coaches.
 

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Thanks, wow, that is different than I expected....Prince at outside, Filer from first string a couple weeks ago, to not on the two deep????? No Shaq, and just saw on Rivals a link about him and a possible transfer, can't read it though....just gotta trust the coaches.

Yeah read the forum post about Shaq leaving on Rivals. Apparently Kelly is trying to get him to stay but it sounds like Shaq might be gone.
 

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Rivals reporting that "it's a done deal" even though Kelly is still trying to convince him otherwise. He has asked for his release
 

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While the position that Shembo is backing up is an OLB position, its primarily the position given to the best pass rushing LB.
The LB battles all together have given me a ton of confidence about our defense. Our defense will spend a lot of time on the field this year and if there's not a lot of dropoff from first to second team, then that is very encouraging. I love what B. Smith will bring as a leader for the second unit.
I am disapointed that Shaq has asked for his transfer. However, for TJ to come in and beat him out shows how good TJ is. Im excited abuot his upside but its never good to see solid talent leave.
 

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I'm not stunned by any of this except Evans leaving [one wonders about Filer, too]. That will be a shame. But I've been listening carefully to what Coach says and who he doesn't talk about. He personally put Riddick at wide-out and then chose TJ also as a golden-haired boy in the spring. He is making decisions based upon what he thinks thew real potential to help his system may be. He's told us that he's been wowed by Shembo and stated pretty clearly that he wanted playing time for him. He's told us clearly that he's impressed with Spond [frankly I am too.] He gave other guys a lot of chances and, in his mind, they did not stand up. Neal did. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------When McDonald went down, he was screwed at a position that he already thought was weak--seemingly, in his read-between-the-lines way of communicating such matters, the weakest or at least most unstable part of the defense. [yes despite all the negative talk about our safeties, I heard him say many good things about three of them regularly, and hardly ever such a statement about persons such as Evans, Filer, Kumara, and the mass of second level d-linemen and linebackers---Cwynar is the exception, and on occasion, Hafis Williams]. Rees is the talent, not Montana, in his eyes, and Rees has gotten some of this special commentary here and there ---almost never Montana. Cave over Wenger is a similar situation. Kelly said: when Cave blocks you, you stay blocked; but he doesn't always block the right guy. When Wenger blocks, he always blocks the right guy, but they don't always stay blocked. Kelly goes with Cave--why? Kelly believes that he can teach up the talent. If you don't have it, there's nothing he can do. Or if you can't learn, there's nothing he can do. Maybe Evans couldn't learn quickly enough.Nor Filer.----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------He says nine freshmen will travel--a clear statement that he's not impressed with some of the veterans. These depth chart reports thereby don't stun me, nor even surprise me. Kelly believes in no in-built biases---just who is performing. If that's a freshman, in he goes. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------The two real downers about all this are 1) the impending transfer of Evans [and I'll bet it's not the last]; and 2) the "news" that some of our personnel are apparently not as good as we would fantasize them to be. Such reality checks might indicate to us that we're not quite as loaded as blue-sky optimists would like. I, by the way, still think that we're pretty loaded at most starting positions and some depth positions and that, and Kelly's empirical performance approach, will win more than the last coach did even in a beginning year.
 

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While I agree with most of what you said Old Man Mike, what shocks me is that Filer had 12 tackles in the spring game and seemed very capable of being an impact player if not a starter. I'm really interested to see exactly what his status is in all of this...
 

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There's no one more than I who wants Filer to rise up and TAKE playing time, and ream some QBs and RBs some auxiliary excretion areas.
 

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Keep in mind that Filer was involved in the drinking incident earlier in the summer. Possible punishment for his involvement? Who knows. But the kid was a "starter" 2 weeks ago and then getting work at both OLB spots according to Kelly, to not being on the two deep. Just throwing that out there.
 

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Keep in mind that Filer was involved in the drinking incident earlier in the summer. Possible punishment for his involvement? Who knows. But the kid was a "starter" 2 weeks ago and then getting work at both OLB spots according to Kelly, to not being on the two deep. Just throwing that out there.

T.J. Jones, Toma, Lo Wood, Watt, and Tausch were involved and are still on the 2 - Deep.

IMO this probably has more to do with the statement BK make earlier in the summer regarding Filer being "more interested in his skateboard" than being fully focused on football.
 
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I just listened to a really interesting podcast with Mardy Gilyard who said that Kelly used to do this kind of thing to motivate him because he knew he was the best playmaker he had. Maybe this is Kelly trying to light a fire under Filer? I don't know, I've just never seen anyone in any sport go from starter to 3rd string this fast.
 

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Could be different levels of involvement in the drinking situation or maybe Kelly is staggering out the suspensions if any are coming. It's just a thought.
 

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I dont know if an attempt to motivate would drop him 2 spots. Maybe taking away a start or something but this seems to be something else. Mike Frank at ISD was just talking last week and he said he thought Filer was the best athlete at LB.
 

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I dont know if an attempt to motivate would drop him 2 spots. Maybe taking away a start or something but this seems to be something else. Mike Frank at ISD was just talking last week and he said he thought Filer was the best athlete at LB.

mike frank judging football talent is like charlie weis judging a body building competition.
 

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That being said, he couldnt be to far off considering not long ago we were looking at Filer as the starter. IMO it has to be something aside from on the field production. He looked good in the spring game as well.
 

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Kelly has said that they will not be suspended and the punishment will be dealt with in-house. So he definitely is not staggering any suspensions.

The shockers for me were Spond backing up Te'o and Shembo over Filer.

Really good to see that Kelly will play freshmen if they are deserving. Current seniors and juniors will see that and/or hear about it and know that if they're good enough to play, they will play early and often. TJ is starting, and Wood, Shembo, Spond, and Rees on the 2 deep. And this wasn't even a highly rated class.

Also several redshirt freshmen and true sophomores are starting or an the 2 deep (C. Wood, Martin, Toma, Te'o, Riddick, Tausch, Turk, Motta, Calabrese, etc), so this is a very young team with veterans mixed in. Makes me nervous that so many young guys will be playing, but then again, the guys that played last year didn't get a lot of wins, so it's time to trust in the new staff and hope they'll be ready to step in...
 

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I'm not stunned by any of this except Evans leaving [one wonders about Filer, too]. That will be a shame. But I've been listening carefully to what Coach says and who he doesn't talk about. He personally put Riddick at wide-out and then chose TJ also as a golden-haired boy in the spring. He is making decisions based upon what he thinks thew real potential to help his system may be. He's told us that he's been wowed by Shembo and stated pretty clearly that he wanted playing time for him. He's told us clearly that he's impressed with Spond [frankly I am too.] He gave other guys a lot of chances and, in his mind, they did not stand up. Neal did. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------When McDonald went down, he was screwed at a position that he already thought was weak--seemingly, in his read-between-the-lines way of communicating such matters, the weakest or at least most unstable part of the defense. [yes despite all the negative talk about our safeties, I heard him say many good things about three of them regularly, and hardly ever such a statement about persons such as Evans, Filer, Kumara, and the mass of second level d-linemen and linebackers---Cwynar is the exception, and on occasion, Hafis Williams]. Rees is the talent, not Montana, in his eyes, and Rees has gotten some of this special commentary here and there ---almost never Montana. Cave over Wenger is a similar situation. Kelly said: when Cave blocks you, you stay blocked; but he doesn't always block the right guy. When Wenger blocks, he always blocks the right guy, but they don't always stay blocked. Kelly goes with Cave--why? Kelly believes that he can teach up the talent. If you don't have it, there's nothing he can do. Or if you can't learn, there's nothing he can do. Maybe Evans couldn't learn quickly enough.Nor Filer.----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------He says nine freshmen will travel--a clear statement that he's not impressed with some of the veterans. These depth chart reports thereby don't stun me, nor even surprise me. Kelly believes in no in-built biases---just who is performing. If that's a freshman, in he goes. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------The two real downers about all this are 1) the impending transfer of Evans [and I'll bet it's not the last]; and 2) the "news" that some of our personnel are apparently not as good as we would fantasize them to be. Such reality checks might indicate to us that we're not quite as loaded as blue-sky optimists would like. I, by the way, still think that we're pretty loaded at most starting positions and some depth positions and that, and Kelly's empirical performance approach, will win more than the last coach did even in a beginning year.
Here here sir! You are an elegant genius sir!
 

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Quote from a poster in the 4HL on Rivals: (also posted in the Purdue Depth Chart thread)

I was talking to a friend who is walk on fball player and he had some good things to say about Shembo and Spond. I was surprised like some of you about Spond backing up Teo and this is what he said about Spond. "Danny is a stud. He was playing olb all summer but since MLB was thin the staff asked him to give it a shot one day. Danny made the tackle ten reps in a row and was causing fumbles and picking off passes." He said how Danny is the real deal. He also said shembo was one of the strongest pple he has ever seen. He said how shembo doesn't know his own strength yet and how in drills he will "accidentally" lay pple out bc he doesn't know how hard he is going. I loved what I was hearing and thought this would be a good change of pace in the 4HL from the Shaq stuff.
 

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Turk Solid At Punter

Turk Solid At Punter

IrishIllustrated.com - Turk leaves no doubt at punter

Tim Prister, IrishIllustrated

9/1/10

Turk's last 8 punts of the '09 season averaged 45.5 ypp. At the Blue & Gold Game he kicked 4 times for a 48.2 ypp average. He had a pair of 50 yd punts which puts his worse two punts at 46 yds - still better than he finished the season.

Good sign.
 

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Filer will get his chance in the LB rotation. Kelly has said good things about him too. The skateboard commentary was finished off with a big pat on the back for Filer's progress and focus since then.

Kelly has also said a ton of players will see the field and the depth chart is very fluid. I read his comments to mean Montana will play if we need to win and Rees will play if we need to not-lose. Montana's stated problem has been consistency which means his upside has been superior to Rees to date since they are 2A and 2B.

A pat on the back (taste of live action or a stint on the depth chart) is usually more more motivational for inexperienced players to give them confidence while a slap in the face (drop on the depth chart) to a veteran may be more effective to fight complacency.

I can't wait for kickoff so we can start analyzing actions instead of words! Two things mean more than all the words in the world, 1) playing time, 2) who is in there when the game is on the line.
 
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