Poll: Tommy Rees' Record

Poll: Tommy Rees' Record

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calvegas04

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I hope everyone here remembers recruits and their familys as well as current players read this website... so when you are personally attacking and slinging insults remember you are repping ND
 

palinurus

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Deep down no matter how mulleted, we all know TR is not the answer.

Not to quibble, because I understand what you mean (i.e., who will be best long term), but it really depends on what the question is. If the question is, "who gives us the best chance to win this season?," Rees might well be the answer.
 

loomis41973

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Im not a Dayne fan but i think he would give us a better chance against the Cardinal. The loss of Jonas will be hard. We need a big arm to ge the ball downfield. I think Golson is the future.
 

phork

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I hope everyone here remembers recruits and their familys as well as current players read this website... so when you are personally attacking and slinging insults remember you are repping ND

Guess what? IT HAPPENS ON ALL TEAMS SITES. If think some recruit is not going to go to ND because what he reads by slack jawed idiots on a fan board, you really are slack jawed. And if they do, sucks for them.

And if they hate getting ripped on, then improve. Its like when a team is up 56-0. They drive and the other team can't stop them. Do you down it at the 1 or do you punch it in? Don't like getting hammered, then stop them.

PS: I will be respectful of the boards rules and play within the limits set out here by the ModSquad.
 

Old Man Mike

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After reading my [insert some large number] thread on this board on this topic something finally dawned on me, and for that lapse I beg forgiveness. Almost this entire board seems not to realize something extremely important about playing modern-offense big time QB in college. Coach has been telling us this for months, but because of old style lack of sophistication in our understanding, we've misinterpreted him.

Coach has been telling us that the reason why Tommy is starting and winning is that he "manages the game". Our pre-modern prejudices take that comment as something minimalist about a quarterback, if not outright demeaning. Being a "game manager" MIGHT have meant an underpowered player merely filling a spot in days gone by, but it is far from that now.

Modern spread football takes place almost as much before the ball is snapped as afterwards. Kelly has told us over and over again, to deaf ears, that Tommy is correctly managing the game [think Peyton Manning pre-snap] and that no one else is ready to do that. {This is, by the way, why Andrew Hendrix just has "a package" and not "managing the whole offense"}. When Tommy overlooks the defensive coverage, it is his responsibility to "get us in the correct formation" to adjust to what that defense is likely to do. Kelly is telling us, and telling us, and telling us that Tommy is the one who can do this now, AND is doing it well. All defenses will fool the offense now and then; that's what makes football. Tommy gets this right most of the time.

People who constantly want to give all the offensive credit to the runners and the O-Line [and yes they deserve a lot of credit] need to open their minds a bit to the role that a Quarterback correctly assessing the D vs O formation plays in this. If a poor game manager has us in the wrong formation, those blocks and those backs aren't going to go so well.

All of this is why we struggle when the defensive coordinators throw us real curveballs. Under those circumstances, Tommy cannot read what this new, unexpected, gimmick defense is going to do pre-snap. Both Kelly and Tommy will tell you in post-game interviews that "they did some different things out there that we hadn't seen". I suspect that most folks on the board have underrated the significance of such statements, not taking into account what that means for the pre-snap reads. We usually adjust pretty well "on the fly" [thus our third quarter success] but great defensive game plans have saved another "trick" for the adjustment.

These realities are very germane to the question as to whether Tommy deserves significant credit for our wins. In my view, very few posters have understood any of this aspect of modern spread football.
 

Rhode Irish

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Mike, good thoughts. I don't disagree with any of that. I do also think that Tommy's physical limitations are real, and that the offense won't function at the level it is intended until either (a) Tommy's physical skills catch up to his "game management" skills, or (b) another QB with the requisite physical tools develops the requisite "game management" skills. (Of the two, the latter seems more likely to me, and that isn't Tommy-hate, it's just my opinion.) In other words, I agree that Tommy is probably our best option as of today, but, regardless of where it comes from, we're going to need more from our QB to take the next step - whether that comes from an improved Tommy or another player.
 

IrishinSyria

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OMM- it's not a gimmick that's been effective. It's using 8 or 9 men to cover the short and mid throws and neglecting the pass rush, QB contain, and coverage over top. There's a blueprint out, and it relies on Tommy's limitations.
 

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I hate this ridiculous argument that Tommy has such a low physical ceiling. I think that Crist has a low football IQ, thats why he has all the talent in the world but yet can't make the right reads in the situation. Tommy takes a lot of things into account when running that offense, checking in and out of bad run plays and into good ones. he has done a good job and not am I saying hes a superstar. He's not an NFL quarterback which is probably what bothers most of you. This may be a bad example but he reminds me of a realy young Colt McCoy (size comparison, cool demeanor, confidence in the way he carries himself) Tommy is never going to run for a 100 yards and Kelly knows that. He has made tweaks to his system for the quarterback that gives them the best chance to win. Guess what? It's working, the Irish are 8-3 and a much improved football team from four years ago at 3-8 under offenseive juggernaut coach charlie weis which featured apparently a much loved jimmy clausen who threw for tons of yards in his career and a lot of TD's, but had a .500 record at ND.....Ill take Tommy and an Irish team that wins.

Tommy has had some good games and bad games. Most of his good games have been against lesser opponents and thats fine. As he gets older matures the game start to slow down and you start to see performences like the ones at purdue (254, 3td's, no pics) Air Force (261, 4td's, no pics) Maryland (296, 2td's, no pics) come against better teams. Not the greatest opponents and I get that but its not like the kids can't play a lick. He's a sophomore hes learning, hes managing, hes making plays to WIN for his TEAM. His TEAM is making plays for him. Lets not worry about wether Tommy is guy right now because the most popular guy in town is always the backup QB. If Kelly starts playing musical quarterbacks it will be a terrible mistake. Crist is Gone, golson weighs 170 pounds soakin wet and hasnt played at all, Hendrix has run the ball 5 times and thrown twice. I dont know about you but there is a reason that coaches get paid to coach, he sees those guys play every day in practice and I don't think Brian Kelly is afraid to **** anyone off (pretty sure thats evident) by benching an upperclassmen for a young gun. Im done ranting.....
 

OCIrish

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Miller, I don't know who you are watching out there, and I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Tommy is as good as he's gonna get. Simple truth. He fares well against lesser competition for a reason, they're terrible....better teams have figured Tommy out and that's why he struggles. The game isn't going to slow down any more for him than it already has. Tommy isn't a Sophomore anymore, he's a big boy still making the same mistakes he made as a Frosh. Let's not forget he was an EE, so he's been in this system for long enough. I'm sorry, but IMO, Tommy has not gotten any better as the season has gone on. Coach Kelly may sugarcoat things post game about how teams are "doing" things they haven't seen, but these teams are running the same D against Tommy waiting for him to make mistakes. If not for BCs ineptness to find the ball in the air, or just catch the damned thing, Tommy has 4 pics that game instead of 1.

Look, he's 12-2 as a starter, and as Kelly has pointed out after every game, he's a good manager of the game. There's also a reason why Tommy has earned the monniker "TO Tommy". While he can manage a game, so far he hasn't proven he can go out and win a game.
 

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Rhode: I agree, as usual, with your remarks. We need more effective QB play to get to the next level by one means or another. My view of this neither anoints Tommy nor discards him. I will wait and see. My comments above were, of course, merely to provide a little better context for those people who think that Kelly is crazy for playing Tommy now, and that Tommy has little if anything to do with our wins. Those sorts of thoughts are neither mine nor yours, nor most of the other more thoughtful posters on this board, and thankfully allow me to enjoy reading your posts while scrolling past certain others.
 

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didnt want to start a new thread.

but after making the tough decision to sit dayne, and sticking with that decision throughout the season, and winning games.

you've got to say kelly handled what could have been a very sticky qb situation, pretty darn good if not perfectly.

It may not have been the guy everybody wanted back there but 8-3 after a horrific start to the season and a chance at a signature win plus a good bowl game is great considering we benched our starter a game into the season.

kelly could have flip flopped back and forth between rees and crist and even hendrix, and it could have been an ugly situation. making the decision and sticking with it all year was the right thing to do and you have to applaud that.
 

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Analyzing Tommy Rees isn't that complicated. He's a great kid with some pretty obvious strengths and weaknesses. On a scale of 1 to 10, he's about a 7 or 8. Coach Kelly attempts to use his strengths, while limiting the risk of any potential damage caused by his short-comings.

He's our QB right now, so GO TOMMY!!, GO IRISH!! SMASH STANFORD AND THAT STUPID TREE!!!

I'm Looking forward to being at the game on Saturday a cheering for you.
 

Mr. McGibblets

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I dont know what to think of Rees, his confidence got crushed at some point. I guess it wasnt after all
 

jonesman

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Where is that long haired dude who's only Tommy defense is 12-2 crap??

I am really dissapointed that we did not give Crist more opportunity. We went thru the whole season using this MAC level QB.
 

Mr. McGibblets

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Where is that long haired dude who's only Tommy defense is 12-2 crap??

I am really dissapointed that we did not give Crist more opportunity. We went thru the whole season using this MAC level QB.


I think he is being quiet, But I know where he is.
 

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He would probably say something along the lines of: I trust Kelly. He obviously knows what he's doing. 12-4!! Woohoooo!!!! He's a winner/gamer!
 

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Where is that long haired dude who's only Tommy defense is 12-2 crap??

I am really dissapointed that we did not give Crist more opportunity. We went thru the whole season using this MAC level QB.

Let it go, he changed his mind after the Stanford game and thought Hendrix should get more of an opportunity.
 
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Go watch a 3 star qb with 4 less starts than tommy turnover who can actually throw in price from Washington. He has led 3 scores and working on 4. Tommy is just crap. Hope to see him never take another snap for the Irish.
 

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Go watch a 3 star qb with 4 less starts than tommy turnover who can actually throw in price from Washington. He has led 3 scores and working on 4. Tommy is just crap. Hope to see him never take another snap for the Irish.

Since when is FSU's defense comparable to that of Baylor?
 

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I have to throw in the towel on Rees. I have always been a supporter based on we have nothing else, but his two interceptions were awful. He was overthrowing guys most of the night, minus the drop from Floyd, and I can't trust him anymore. I know Hendrix had a horrible int., but at least he is mobile and can fall back on he has about 1 game of college experience. Someone with the number of games as Tommy has should not be having such horrible turnovers. I hope Golson is the real deal, because we need him next year. The bowl game was a microcosm of the season. Defense played pretty well, but turnovers sunk us.
 

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Weis probably recruited Rees to be a QB similar to the small horses that accompany race horses. The small horse keeps the racehorse calm. Rees has a calm demeanor and has the potential to be a great Red Army leader.
 

IrishinSyria

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Weis probably recruited Rees to be a QB similar to the small horses that accompany race horses. The small horse keeps the racehorse calm. Rees has a calm demeanor and has the potential to be a great Red Army leader.

Agree with this, but he also knew and liked his dad. There's no doubt that Rees adds value to the program, just not as a 3 1/2 year starter.
 

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No frigging way REES can start next year- an absolute turnover machine bailed out by Eifert. Nice guy but we go 4-8 next year with him. Might work against Purdue or Navy but not the big boys-ideal backup
 

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Golsen, Hendrix and ... Rees. I would love to have Rees. Third string of course. I think we still have this convo just after a win had we stayed with the defensive game plan. This sucks but at least we have spring ball to look forward to.

Were also not expected to be any better record wise next year. That will be nice. Maybe we do work!? Of course, we could be KU fans and all!?
 

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Why wouldn't Kelly start Rees next season? He stuck with him through all of his $hitty play this season. And he kept saying after the games, "He's 12-2/3/4 - He wins games!". He's delusional about Rees. I wouldn't be surprised if he starts.
 
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