Poll: Tommy Rees' Record

[DillonHall]

While he will never have a rocket arm he can improve his arm strength, to think otherwise is crazy. To use your ananlogy pitchers do usually add a couple of mph to their fastball between the ages of 18-23ish. Now 30 year old pitchers don't.

You're right that he can improve it, but generally your arm strength is largely genetic. We won't see much of a jump next year.

 

[mpkennedy3]

Tommy is not going to go down in ND history as the greatest QB ever, but let's remember he is a lowly recruited Sophmore who has walked into ND and gone 12 -2. I QB's job is to win games, so 12 -2 is accurate. Besides he has come up clutch when needed to lead ND to the W.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

Tommy is not going to go down in ND history as the greatest QB ever, but let's remember he is a lowly recruited Sophmore who has walked into ND and gone 12 -2. I QB's job is to win games, so 12 -2 is accurate. Besides he has come up clutch when needed to lead ND to the W.

My man "Gets It"..... Reps headed his way.

 

[t3hjc]

Yup.

 

[GreatGolson]

the real question is would we be 9-2 with tommy this year?

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

the real question is would we be 9-2 with tommy this year?

Great question, and yes..... Yes we would.

 

[WhoDeyIrish]

Great question, and yes..... Yes we would.

No we would be 10-1....He wouldn't have fumbled that ball on the 1.

 

[IrishinSyria]

No we would be 10-1....He wouldn't have fumbled that ball on the 1.

Yea, he definitely didn't have three turnovers of his own that game.

 

[WhoDeyIrish]

Yea, he definitely didn't have three turnovers of his own that game.

It's a joke..............

 

[WhoDeyIrish]

90% of people on this site need to get a ****ing clue about how the game of football is actually played.

 

[Rhode Irish]

90% of people on this site need to get a ****ing clue about how the game of football is actually played.

The poll is 68% - 31%.

Who are the 90% ?

 

[WhoDeyIrish]

The poll is 68% - 31%.

Who are the 90% ?

You would fall in the 10%...

 

[Rhode Irish]

You would fall in the 10%...

Nice.

 

[GreatGolson]

Actually we'd probably be 11-0 because he wouldnt have thrown those awful INTs in the UM game...

 

[BGIF]

You would fall in the 10%...

Shrewd response!

 

[BGIF]

That is a great record. Funny though, the defenses record over the same period is 12-2.

Actually the defense's record isn't 12-2, it's 12-3. Tommy's first start was Utah and he won all 4 games started to end the '10 season.

In '11 Dayne started the USF game which made him AND the defense 0-1 in games Dayne started in '11. Tommy started the remaining 10 games so he and the defense are 8-2 in games Tommy started in '11.

That makes Tommy 12-2 but "the defenses record over the same period is" 12-3 NOT 12-2.

The "period" started on 11/13/10 and included 15 games for the defense thought BC on 11/19/11 but only 14 games with Tommy as the starter.

 

[DillonHall]

Actually the defense's record isn't 12-2, it's 12-3. Tommy's first start was Utah and he won all 4 games started to end the '10 season.

In '11 Dayne started the USF game which made him AND the defense 0-1 in games Dayne started in '11. Tommy started the remaining 10 games so he and the defense are 8-2 in games Tommy started in '11.

That makes Tommy 12-2 but "the defenses record over the same period is" 12-3 NOT 12-2.

The "period" started on 11/13/10 and included 15 games for the defense thought BC on 11/19/11 but only 14 games with Tommy as the starter.

Good catch.

 

[Rhode Irish]

Actually the defense's record isn't 12-2, it's 12-3. Tommy's first start was Utah and he won all 4 games started to end the '10 season.

In '11 Dayne started the USF game which made him AND the defense 0-1 in games Dayne started in '11. Tommy started the remaining 10 games so he and the defense are 8-2 in games Tommy started in '11.

That makes Tommy 12-2 but "the defenses record over the same period is" 12-3 NOT 12-2.

The "period" started on 11/13/10 and included 15 games for the defense thought BC on 11/19/11 but only 14 games with Tommy as the starter.

Can you really argue that the USF loss was on the defense, though? I wouldn't want to be attached to that argument.

 

[NDinFL]

Can you really argue that the USF loss was on the defense, though? I wouldn't want to be attached to that argument.

By all technicalities BGIF is right, but I agree with you Rhode

 

[BGIF]

This topic has been debated continually over the past few weeks, so I wanted to get a consensus from the fans on IE. Is Tommy Rees' 12-2 record as ND's starting QB an accurate indicator of his performance?

Last week you claimed that there was no such thing as a won/loss record of games started. I gave you the numbers on different sports, different levels, and the list of ND Winningest QBs both by number of games won and by Percentage of Games Started that were Won. Stats than ND keeps and hands out to the media. (Check the bottom of page 28 of the BC Game Week Media Notes.)

So I gather now you agree the parameter exists but you don't think it's fair because football is a "team" game. Tell that to the lineman that block for the QBs and RBs that win the Heisman year after year. An offensive tackle could not allow a sack all year on over 400 plays but he won't get invited to the Heisman Ceremony as a candidtate, would he? That's reality.

When you get done playing in school, one of the harsh realities of the business world you'll learn is managers, coaches, owners, CEOs, stock analysts, voters, et al., keep track of "Winners". Usually "the wins" are due to team efforts and in many cases "The Win" could be due to someone else's primary efforts, or factors beyond the individual's control (see President's and the ecomony) but it's how it's done.

Rees had turnovers in the Michigan game but he had nothing to do with not tackling Denard when the Michigan fumble fortuituously bounced into his hands and he was untouched scoring a TD. Rees quarterbacked his team to a winning TD with a minute left on the clock in that game. Rees didn't neglect the receiver on the wheel route but ND's entire secondary did. Rees wasn't the one that didn't look for the ball on UM's winning TD either, but those 2 plays gave him one of the 2 "L"s he's been credited with as a starter.

When you're out in the world and your boss rags your butt over the reversed numbers in your proposal that cost the company a multi-million dollar contract, be sure to tell him, "That's not fair. It was a team effort and besides it was my secretary who made that made that typo not me."

If you're the QB you get the Win or the Loss. As Kelly noted in the post game presser, "Rees is 12-2. Pretty good for a starter!"

Be sure to send your poll results on to Kelly. No doubt he'll be keenly interested.

 

[IrishinSyria]

Past performance =/ future results. Wins and losses are the results of a huge amount of variable inputs, QB play being only one part of the equation. Much more important to honestly evaluate the component pieces of those wins and losses.

Clearly, Tommy has a lot going for him. He's experienced, accurate, and calm. He has a valuable ability to bounce back from a mistake.

At the same time, he also clearly has his share of weaknesses. Not all of these can be fixed.

He certainly deserves some credit for his record, but so does the d, the running game, and the cupcake schedule ND has played this year.

 

[BGIF]

Can you really argue that the USF loss was on the defense, though? I wouldn't want to be attached to that argument.

I didn't argue that USF loss was on the defense, did I?

I responded to a specific statement which was inaccurate:

... the defenses record over the same period is 12-2.

BTW, noticed you changed your avatar's title from "wartime consigliere" to simply "Tom Hagen". I never understood the former title, as Michael so succinctly said, "You're not a wartime consigliere, Tom." I always thought Tom was too nice a guy.

 

[OCIrish]

Rees is 12-2.....his numbers and performance are that of 8-6. His ability to throw to the other team, stare down WRs, his inability to get the ball deep are all going to hurt this team the next 2 games. He gets way to much credit when they win and gets his fair share of credit when they lose. I predict we go 0-2 vs. Stanford and whoever we play in the bowl game. IMO, Tommy can manage a game, I sure as hell don't trust him to have to go out and win a game.

 

[BobD]

I support Tommy, he's a great kid, and one of us. BK has him in there for a reason, but his record of 12-2, is comparable to a company President announcing his business has record sales, and failing to mention they sold everything below cost.

 

[montanaquade]

Lets check out the poll after next Saturday when they play Stanford.
See what his record is then and also see if he can carry the team to victory.
My opinion is that he is not a good starter maybe a backup at best and all the reasons have already been shared ( Stare down the receiver, fumbles when he gets hit, interceptions that should Never happen and where they should never happen).
My opinion truthfully is and i mean this : Andrew Hendrix is our main man and if Brian Kelly is gonna continue to let him rot in that bench then i hope he does transfer and tear it up somewhere when he is given a chance to shine because he is gonna be a star with some team but probably not with this one.
I am convinced that they best quarterback on Notre Dame is sitting on the bench.

 

[bert2834]

Remember when the Bears had Rex Grossman?

Record isn't everything.

 

[DillonHall]

Last week you claimed that there was no such thing as a won/loss record of games started. I gave you the numbers on different sports, different levels, and the list of ND Winningest QBs both by number of games won and by Percentage of Games Started that were Won. Stats than ND keeps and hands out to the media. (Check the bottom of page 28 of the BC Game Week Media Notes.)

So I gather now you agree the parameter exists but you don't think it's fair because football is a "team" game. Tell that to the lineman that block for the QBs and RBs that win the Heisman year after year. An offensive tackle could not allow a sack all year on over 400 plays but he won't get invited to the Heisman Ceremony as a candidtate, would he? That's reality.

When you get done playing in school, one of the harsh realities of the business world you'll learn is managers, coaches, owners, CEOs, stock analysts, voters, et al., keep track of "Winners". Usually "the wins" are due to team efforts and in many cases "The Win" could be due to someone else's primary efforts, or factors beyond the individual's control (see President's and the ecomony) but it's how it's done.

Rees had turnovers in the Michigan game but he had nothing to do with not tackling Denard when the Michigan fumble fortuituously bounced into his hands and he was untouched scoring a TD. Rees quarterbacked his team to a winning TD with a minute left on the clock in that game. Rees didn't neglect the receiver on the wheel route but ND's entire secondary did. Rees wasn't the one that didn't look for the ball on UM's winning TD either, but those 2 plays gave him one of the 2 "L"s he's been credited with as a starter.

When you're out in the world and your boss rags your butt over the reversed numbers in your proposal that cost the company a multi-million dollar contract, be sure to tell him, "That's not fair. It was a team effort and besides it was my secretary who made that made that typo not me."

If you're the QB you get the Win or the Loss. As Kelly noted in the post game presser, "Rees is 12-2. Pretty good for a starter!"

Be sure to send your poll results on to Kelly. No doubt he'll be keenly interested.

Wow, now I understand why we had that argument. Dude, you have got to re-examine your reading comprehension skills; when I made that statement, I was saying that you should never use a player's record to judge someone's performance in a team sport like football. You are the one that incorrectly interpreted my comments to mean that the parameter didn't exist. Seriously, who the hell doesn't know that W-L record exists, especially for QBs? The media loves using that stat. You should be embarrassed, not me. The start of your second paragraph is basically a restatement of my original statement.

I absolutely loved Tommy Rees after the Michigan game. He was a gamer, in fact looked great, competent, confident. However, things have changed dramatically since that game; I'm not going to go into the details but you're blind if you don't acknowledge them. And yeah, the fact that Kelly relegated himself to stating Tommy's record is due to the fact that there was barely anything positive to say about his performance against BC. It's called coach speak, but apparently you can only interpret things in a completely literal fashion, so I understand why you foolishly wrote that. If there were more tangible positives, he would have stated them.

And thanks for the workplace analogy; I'm glad I'm not entering the business field then. BTW, you don't know what kind of person I am if you think I'd let those types of stupid mistakes occur.

 

[Irish Insanity]

So would anyone make comparison between him and Tebow in regards to performance and record. Neither makes it look pretty all the time, but their record is what it is. Impresive. I'm a Tommy fan, but not of Tebow.

Tommy>Tebow

 

[DillonHall]

So would anyone make comparison between him and Tebow in regards to performance and record. Neither makes it look pretty all the time, but their record is what it is. Impresive. I'm a Tommy fan, but not of Tebow.

Tommy>Tebow

Tebow made it look 'pretty' in college.

 

[BeatSC]

evan sharpley could do what Reese is doing