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    Votes: 172 48.9%

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ColoradoIrish

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Absolutely! If anyone running for Congress can't prove their lineage back to a Founding Father, Fuck 'em!
 
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RDU Irish said:
You aren't wrong. I'm not a fan of this or the Bondi hate speech thing. The problem is importing radicals and naturalizing people who do not have allegiance FIRST with the USA. Culture counts and now this is what assimilation looks like:

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If you are mad about this, you should be characterized as:
NDWarrior said:
Absolutely! If anyone running for Congress can't prove their lineage back to a Founding Father, Fuck 'em!
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Irish#1

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RDU Irish said:
You aren't wrong. I'm not a fan of this or the Bondi hate speech thing. The problem is importing radicals and naturalizing people who do not have allegiance FIRST with the USA. Culture counts and now this is what assimilation looks like:

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Nothing to worry about or so we've been told.
 
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drayer54 said:
If you are mad about this, you should be characterized as:
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Listen, I'm all for rigorous vetting for U.S. citizenship (just like rigorous vetting for immigrants being allowed in to the U.S.), BUT, requiring
American-born citizenship for Congress is not the answer IMO.
(Keep that current requirement in place for running to be U.S. President, but we don't need it for running for Congress.)

This move aims to ensure that our leaders have deep ties to the country and its values is bullshit.
This is code for that only White Christians can run if the President and Congress end up getting rid of birthright U.S. Citizenship and requiring U.S. Citizenship to run.

How are neighborhoods with a majority of residents of a particular ethnic group going to feel they are represented in their districts?
This Mayor's response to the Dearborn resident's objection was a little extreme for sure, but can you imagine that this white guy is (hypothetically) the one representing this district comprised of Muslim Americans? That's just dumb and strange.

Also, you could have (If birthright citizenship stays in place) a U.S. born Muslim American or even, say, a U.S.-born Haitian-American who was born here but then grows up with hatred in his heart (e.g., because of the way his parents were treated, maybe deported by ICE) and then runs for Congress and wins and now we have a radicalized Congressman who doesn't embrace much of any American values and is only intent on cultural destruction.

Here's what I think... It's more important to have a U.S. Citizenship process for properly vetting U.S.-born (with birthright no longer in place) or Naturalized Citizens to ensure that they have gone through a rigorous process to understand what it means to be a U.S. Citizen and the responsibility it entails.

So this can be based more on a 1) a minimum # of time living in the country and a 2) minimum set of requirements like volunteering for civic activities and taking a U.S. Civics test (like we take a State DMV test before getting our license). Let's make sure they understand the responsibility that is involved with being given U.S. Citizenship.

This will have nothing to do with White Christian values but more about respect for the Flag, The Constitution, key events of our U.S. history, and our U.S. heritage. I think the the U.S. DHS or whatever department manages citizenship is already making it a more rigorous process to become a U.S. Citizen.

And then for all U.S.-born Citizens that have guaranteed Citizenship at birth, let's incorporate more education and requirements for truly understanding U.S. Civics and being a U.S. Citizen.
Maybe that would go a long way towards reducing both Left and Right radicalization in the country.

Just being born and growing up in the U.S. doesn't guarantee a healthy respect for this country, its values, and what it means to be a U.S. Citizen, so again, the Bill requiring U.S. Citizenship for Congress is stupid.
 
TorontoGold

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Maybe people would listen to those arguments if every conservative didn’t think every Democrat president is a commie or far left.
 
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I love Colin Wright. His famous cartoon is *exactly* in line with my personal chronology of non-movement along the political spectrum. I was confused for a bit about his seemingly simplistic claim that there are only two sexes, given his status as an evolutionary biologist, but then I realized it's all a matter of how you define sex. If you define males as sperm producers (or would-be sperm producers until something went awry) and females as egg-producers (or would-be egg producers until something went awry) then there indeed only two sexes, and this is 100% inclusive of all biological abnormalities.
 
NDWarrior

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Man, you have a lot of biases... A lot of anxiety... It was just a question my friend...
 
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SportsingHard said:
Political discourse would be so much more productive if we could just eliminate the illiterates, hysterics, and straw-manners.
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Hmm interesting. Sure, I was a bit dramatic but then made my point later. I don't believe that U.S. Citizenship needs to be tied to be born in the U.S. to "ensure that our leaders have deep ties to the country and its values. As I stated, there are such Citizens who are absolute Morons and should never run for Congress; and there are Immigrant resident working towards Citizenship who takes Civics and participating in government (and representing their communities) seriously and become better Citizens than native born Citizens.
 
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NDWarrior said:
Hmm interesting. Sure, I was a bit dramatic but then made my point later. I don't believe that U.S. Citizenship needs to be tied to be born in the U.S. to "ensure that our leaders have deep ties to the country and its values. As I stated, there are such Citizens who are absolute Morons and should never run for Congress; and there are Immigrant resident working towards Citizenship who takes Civics and participating in government (and representing their communities) seriously and become better Citizens than native born Citizens.
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Oddly, enough, you posted in this in response to a complaint about illiteracy and straw-manning. That's not the idea put forth in @Irish#1's post above.
 
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