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[ulukinatme]

This is hilarious.

I saw that last night. The fear mongering has hit 11.

 

[TorontoGold]

Yeah, the Jewish hate across the country from left-wing lunatics if just smoke. lol

If the media was close to equal this would be all over the coverage. They don’t bar Jews from entry to CPAC.

lol it is being covered?

They don't bar jews from entry, and they certainly don't bar Nazi's. It's encouraging to see so much push back against antisemitism, sucks that it's for political opportunism but hey it's better than nothing.

 

[ulukinatme]

lol it is being covered?

They don't bar jews from entry, and they certainly don't bar Nazi's. It's encouraging to see so much push back against antisemitism, sucks that it's for political opportunism but hey it's better than nothing.

They've removed them often in the past if they're aware of them. They've also ejected white supremacists. I heard there was some group walking around at the 2024 event, but it sounds like organizers weren't aware of their presence until after it was reported.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/nazis-white-supremacists-openly-attend-annual-cpac-conservative-summit-report/

“CPAC has made it absolutely clear that we stand with Israel and the Jewish people… and against the hatred of Jews. Our board and international partners unanimously passed a resolution this week reiterating that strong, clear, and unequivocal position. We hosted a special event at CPAC in celebration of and solidarity with Israel, and we are leading an ongoing initiative as an organization supporting Israel.”

In the past extreme racists have been kicked out of the event as it worked to distance itself from the fringes of the conservative moments, the report said, noting that white supremacist Nick Fuentes is among those who have been ejected in previous years.

 

[TorontoGold]

They've removed them often in the past if they're aware of them. They've also ejected white supremacists. I heard there was some group walking around at the 2024 event, but it sounds like organizers weren't aware of their presence until after it was reported.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/nazis-white-supremacists-openly-attend-annual-cpac-conservative-summit-report/

Gorka - EXCLUSIVE: Sebastian Gorka Backed Anti-Semitic Militia

Bannon - Steve Bannon cited WWII-era Nazi writer as ideological influence

Posobiec - Jack Posobiec

Again, it's nice to see so many push back on antisemitism, just brutal that it took this long and hopefully going forward more can acknowledge it.

 

[drayer54]

lol it is being covered?

They don't bar jews from entry, and they certainly don't bar Nazi's. It's encouraging to see so much push back against antisemitism, sucks that it's for political opportunism but hey it's better than nothing.

Would be best if nobody opened the door for opportunism and so many people weren’t participating in the Hamas constituency.

Also- Biden doing the both sides pitch and the media silence is telling.

 

[TorontoGold]

Would be best if nobody opened the door for opportunism and so many people weren’t participating in the Hamas constituency.

Yeah anyone cheering on Hamas should be thrown in jail. But, so many here are freedom of speech absolutists so I'm sure they'd have an issue with my approach. Anyone flying a Hamas or Nazi flag should be jailed. In a perfect world - a confederate flag too.

 

[drayer54]

Yeah, anyone cheering on Hamas should be thrown in jail. But, so many here are freedom of speech absolutists so I'm sure they'd have an issue with my approach. Anyone flying a Hamas or Nazi flag should be jailed. In a perfect world - a confederate flag too.

Support their right to speech.

What’s concerning is the prevalence and the lack of action from the Universities. They’re not protecting Jewish students at all. They would never treat a black student this way or a gay student.
The extreme ideology is not isolated to those students or just one school. If the whole SEC were blocking gays from accessing a building, the DOJ response would be massive. Media? But here?

 

[drayer54]

Lol

 

[Bishop2b5]

Support their right to speech.

What’s concerning is the prevalence and the lack of action from the Universities. They’re not protecting Jewish students at all. They would never treat a black student this way or a gay student.
The extreme ideology is not isolated to those students or just one school. If the whole SEC were blocking gays from accessing a building, the DOJ response would be massive. Media? But here?

Remember a couple of years ago when a female Kentucky student hurled racist slurs at a black student? She was rightly expelled and banned from campus within hours and criminally charged. Why is this not happening here? That UK girl was obnoxious and stupid (and drunk), and was disorderly and scuffled a bit, but not really dangerous or threatening anyone's life. These protesters are, and are MUCH worse in every way. Where's the "all racism is bad" administration here? Why are any of these students still on campus and allowed to do this without any real consequences? It's a good thing hypocrisy on the Left is nonexistent, huh?

 

[TorontoGold]

Support their right to speech.

What’s concerning is the prevalence and the lack of action from the Universities. They’re not protecting Jewish students at all. They would never treat a black student this way or a gay student.
The extreme ideology is not isolated to those students or just one school. If the whole SEC were blocking gays from accessing a building, the DOJ response would be massive. Media? But here?

Nah, you don’t get a right to speech if you support hateful fucking groups. I’m sorry but Nazi’s or Hamas supporters don’t get that right. You want to preach support for them you can do it in a jail cell.

The Media is covering it? Type it into the old Google machine and you’ll see many news orgs to the Left of Stormfront covering it. There have been a ton of arrests Mass arrests made as US campus protests over Gaza spread - BBC News

The crocodile tears from “Conservatives” is great. No media! It’s literally covered everywhere. No law enforcement response! Tons of arrests. But if I say throw Hamas/Nazi and maybe people that fly confederate flags in jail…..well freedom of speech! lol don’t throw the hamas guys in jail, because then we’ll lose our Nazi and confederate supporters!

 

[drayer54]

Nah, you don’t get a right to speech if you support hateful fucking groups. I’m sorry but Nazi’s or Hamas supporters don’t get that right. You want to preach support for them you can do it in a jail cell.

The Media is covering it? Type it into the old Google machine and you’ll see many news orgs to the Left of Stormfront covering it. There have been a ton of arrests Mass arrests made as US campus protests over Gaza spread - BBC News

The crocodile tears from “Conservatives” is great. No media! It’s literally covered everywhere. No law enforcement response! Tons of arrests. But if I say throw Hamas/Nazi and maybe people that fly confederate flags in jail…..well freedom of speech! lol don’t throw the hamas guys in jail, because then we’ll lose our Nazi and confederate supporters!

The worst speech is still free speech. But it shouldn't be supported by the University and it's staff. The rise in Hamas support combined with who knows crossing our open border is going to be a problem.

The media is covering this very differently than they would if those circumstances were different. No telling if SNL will mock the Jewish students yet. Biden gets a pass for switching to condemning what's happening with the Palestinians in the same breathe.
Every Dem should be chased into the elevators to provide opinions on this.


I will say this show is usually batshit, but the broken clock is still right twice a day.

 

[Irish#1]

Yeah anyone cheering on Hamas should be thrown in jail. But, so many here are freedom of speech absolutists so I'm sure they'd have an issue with my approach. Anyone flying a Hamas or Nazi flag should be jailed. In a perfect world - a confederate flag too.

I could get behind deporting any protestor that isn't a US citizen. Send them to Israel to protest.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Glad to see the Healthcare platform of Repeal and Go Fuck Yourself is still alive and well from 2017.

 

[ulukinatme]

The worst speech is still free speech. But it shouldn't be supported by the University and it's staff. The rise in Hamas support combined with who knows crossing our open border is going to be a problem.

The media is covering this very differently than they would if those circumstances were different. No telling if SNL will mock the Jewish students yet. Biden gets a pass for switching to condemning what's happening with the Palestinians in the same breathe.
Every Dem should be chased into the elevators to provide opinions on this.


I will say this show is usually batshit, but the broken clock is still right twice a day.

Interesting, the mass graves she's decrying were dug by Palestinians. I looks like it was dug near the hospital, there's no way to know how those people died. They could have been civilians killed by IDF, they could have been Hamas fighters, they could have been at the hospital for other reasons.

 

[RDU Irish]

I could get behind deporting any protestor that isn't a US citizen. Send them to Israel to protest.

I love how one riot is another's protest and vice versa. Same folks who think J6 was an insurrection think blocking roads and berating Jews is protected free speech and right to protest. Give all these d-bags the J6 treatment and go back and prosecute BLM riots equally or GFY.

 

[TorontoGold]

The worst speech is still free speech. But it shouldn't be supported by the University and it's staff. The rise in Hamas support combined with who knows crossing our open border is going to be a problem.

The media is covering this very differently than they would if those circumstances were different. No telling if SNL will mock the Jewish students yet. Biden gets a pass for switching to condemning what's happening with the Palestinians in the same breathe.
Every Dem should be chased into the elevators to provide opinions on this.


I will say this show is usually batshit, but the broken clock is still right twice a day.

Don't you want Hamas supporters thrown in jail? How can you say they deserve to have a voice? Why protect them.

I haven't seen the University support Hamas, maybe you could show proof of that. Palestinians =/= Hamas, just like Jews =/= Israel.

But the media is covering it, the people committing crimes are going to jail, and people are condemning Hamas support.

I could get behind deporting any protestor that isn't a US citizen. Send them to Israel to protest.

You want tax payer money spent on illegal immigrants to go to Israel? Seems like a waste to me.

 

[Blazers46]

You want tax payer money spent on illegal immigrants to go to Israel? Seems like a waste to me.

You can not be a US Citizen and still be a legal immigrant. Just wanted to point that out.

I’m 100% pro speech as it relates to government. I’m 100% for consequences to your speech outside of government. I’m also 100% for consequences to standing in the middle of street holding up traffic.

 

[TorontoGold]

You can not be a US Citizen and still be a legal immigrant. Just wanted to point that out.

I’m 100% pro speech as it relates to government. I’m 100% for consequences to your speech outside of government. I’m also 100% for consequences to standing in the middle of street holding up traffic.

Ok - I don't believe in spending money on a criminal (presuming the person that is getting on the plane is a convicted felon) to go to another country unless they are being extradited. That seems like an awful waste of money.

A key tenent of my guiding belief of "Fuck around and find out" if someone breaks the law the law enforcement should enforce the law. As well, if you support organizations that have or had a guiding principle of terrorism/genocide then you should be criminally charged. For those that don't like the law, then they can challenge it in court or try to obtain support for overturning that law.

I don't think those points are disagreeable, but I am sure someone will take an issue with what I posted.

 

[Blazers46]

Ok - I don't believe in spending money on a criminal (presuming the person that is getting on the plane is a convicted felon) to go to another country unless they are being extradited. That seems like an awful waste of money.

A key tenent of my guiding belief of "Fuck around and find out" if someone breaks the law the law enforcement should enforce the law. As well, if you support organizations that have or had a guiding principle of terrorism/genocide then you should be criminally charged. For those that don't like the law, then they can challenge it in court or try to obtain support for overturning that law.

I don't think those points are disagreeable, but I am sure someone will take an issue with what I posted.

I agree with upholding the law but I’m not on the side of criminalizing speech. I think the fuck around and find out should come from a nongovernmental element. That’s a slippery slope I am sure you would love. Let’s criminalize the support of terrorsim… but then we will get politicians calling pro lifers terrorists. No thanks.

 

[TorontoGold]

I agree with upholding the law but I’m not on the side of criminalizing speech. I think the fuck around and find out should come from a nongovernmental element. That’s a slippery slope I am sure you would love. Let’s criminalize the support of terrorsim… but then we will get politicians calling pro lifers terrorists. No thanks.

I would encourage politicians to write laws similar to what Germany did for Nazi's. You'd be hard pressed to find German's who think Nazi's should have a right to fly their flags, I would think most people support stopping Nazi's from openly carrying their flags around. Take it a step further and apply it to Hamas supporters.

How is it a slippery slope? At a high level on whether people approve access to abortion it's overwhelmingly yes. Play out the scenario in which "pro-lifers" get labeled terrorists, you think the supreme court who overturned Roe would just rollover? You think there would be public support to label 13% of the country terrorists? I have friends and family who are very strict pro-lifers, even though I think they have a perfectly round brain I wouldn't support them being called terrorists.

Abortion

With respect to the abortion issue, would you consider yourself to be pro-choice or pro-life? Do you think abortions should be legal under any circumstances, legal only under certain circumstances, or illegal in all circumstances?

news.gallup.com

 

[Irish#1]

Ok - I don't believe in spending money on a criminal (presuming the person that is getting on the plane is a convicted felon) to go to another country unless they are being extradited. That seems like an awful waste of money.

A key tenent of my guiding belief of "Fuck around and find out" if someone breaks the law the law enforcement should enforce the law. As well, if you support organizations that have or had a guiding principle of terrorism/genocide then you should be criminally charged. For those that don't like the law, then they can challenge it in court or try to obtain support for overturning that law.

I don't think those points are disagreeable, but I am sure someone will take an issue with what I posted.

I seriously doubt those protestors, filed for a permit to demonstrate, so in essence they are breaking the law. May be a waste if money to you, but not me given we already waste so much tax payer money and no one seems to care. Seems to me we would be doing them a favor. Protesting against Israel in Israel should have a greater impact.

 

[drayer54]

Don't you want Hamas supporters thrown in jail? How can you say they deserve to have a voice? Why protect them.

I haven't seen the University support Hamas, maybe you could show proof of that. Palestinians =/= Hamas, just like Jews =/= Israel.

But the media is covering it, the people committing crimes are going to jail, and people are condemning Hamas support.

You want tax payer money spent on illegal immigrants to go to Israel? Seems like a waste to me.

Who am I to decide what opinions can be heard and suppressed? This is a free country.

You can argue that the school, staff, and kids should face consequences. They should. They should be facing overwhelming condemnation, but they are not. The Universities have done what to shut this down? The staff has tweeted support. The left isn’t seeing the polls yet and won’t address it until it hurts.

 

[Blazers46]

I would encourage politicians to write laws similar to what Germany did for Nazi's. You'd be hard pressed to find German's who think Nazi's should have a right to fly their flags, I would think most people support stopping Nazi's from openly carrying their flags around. Take it a step further and apply it to Hamas supporters.

How is it a slippery slope? At a high level on whether people approve access to abortion it's overwhelmingly yes. Play out the scenario in which "pro-lifers" get labeled terrorists, you think the supreme court who overturned Roe would just rollover? You think there would be public support to label

13% of the country terrorists? I have friends and family who are very strict pro-lifers, even though I think they have a perfectly round brain I wouldn't support them being called terrorists.

Abortion

With respect to the abortion issue, would you consider yourself to be pro-choice or pro-life? Do you think abortions should be legal under any circumstances, legal only under certain circumstances, or illegal in all circumstances?

news.gallup.com

Prolife example is just an example. Roe was not overturned on merit it was overturned on it being a state issue, so not a good argument. Also only 34% (according to your link) want it legalized with no restrictions and only 51% want it legal under certain circumstances… overwhelming isn’t a word I’d use but I’m going down a rabbit hole you threw in front of me.

I’m still not convinced banning speech is the way to go because Germany did it.

 

[TorontoGold]

I seriously doubt those protestors, filed for a permit to demonstrate, so in essence they are breaking the law. May be a waste if money to you, but not me given we already waste so much tax payer money and no one seems to care. Seems to me we would be doing them a favor. Protesting against Israel in Israel should have a greater impact.

Follow the law, if they broke the law then they should face the consequences that are prescribed for that offence.

Personally, I would rather the government not spend money on performative petty matters, and would rather my money at least go somewhere with the possibility of helping someone.

Who am I to decide what opinions can be heard and suppressed? This is a free country.

You can argue that the school, staff, and kids should face consequences. They should. They should be facing overwhelming condemnation, but they are not. The Universities have done what to shut this down? The staff has tweeted support. The left isn’t seeing the polls yet and won’t address it until it hurts.

I don't think anyone needs to "hear out" what Nazi's or Hamas supporters have to say. There is literally nothing of value that they could possibly say. Those opinions do not need to be heard, they can be heard in jail or wherever the best place is for them to get it through their heads.

They are facing condemnation? It's literally everywhere, arrests are happening? Do you want them shot lol?

Prolife example is just an example. Roe was not overturned on merit it was overturned on it being a state issue, so not a good argument. Also only 34% (according to your link) want it legalized with no restrictions and only 51% want it legal under certain circumstances… overwhelming isn’t a word I’d use but I’m going down a rabbit hole you threw in front of me.

I’m still not convinced banning speech is the way to go because Germany did it.

You brought up the slippery slope prolife stuff, so don't get pissy with me for addressing your points. If you don't want to talk about it don't mention it and stick on topic.

I used Germany as an example of place that has banned hateful groups like Nazi's. I think it's a pretty easy layup to say "No nazi shit in public", who's going to say no to that? The slippery slope won't happen because you can use Germany as an example of a police that isn't a police state because they don't allow Nazi's to frolic around.

 

[Blazers46]

You brought up the slippery slope prolife stuff, so don't get pissy with me for addressing your points. If you don't want to talk about it don't mention it and stick on topic.

I used Germany as an example of place that has banned hateful groups like Nazi's. I think it's a pretty easy layup to say "No nazi shit in public", who's going to say no to that? The slippery slope won't happen because you can use Germany as an example of a police that isn't a police state because they don't allow Nazi's to frolic around.

Lol, I brought it up as an example then you cite links to back up the peripherals like we are arguing abortion. I’m just saying I’m not wanting to go down that rabbit hole and staying on point.

I’m still not convinced.

 

[TorontoGold]

Lol, I brought it up as an example then you cite links to back up the peripherals like we are arguing abortion. I’m just saying I’m not wanting to go down that rabbit hole and staying on point.

I’m still not convinced.

Because your point doesn't work that pro-lifers would be classified as terrorists if Nazi's and Hamas supporters are charged for hate speech.

What is your biggest gripe with criminalizing Nazi/Hamas speech - is it the slippery slope?

 

[drayer54]

What is your biggest gripe with criminalizing Nazi/Hamas speech - is it the slippery slope?

We have people in power who would have done that for saying the Covid lab theory or natural immunity only a few years ago. Who decides what speech is not acceptable?

 

[GATTACA!]

We have people in power who would have done that for saying the Covid lab theory or natural immunity only a few years ago. Who decides what speech is not acceptable?

I think enemy combatants of the US or it's allies would be a good place to start.

 

[TorontoGold]

We have people in power who would have done that for saying the Covid lab theory or natural immunity only a few years ago. Who decides what speech is not acceptable?

Really? And what do you base that on?

So, let me get this straight, you're all hot and bothered over clearing out protestors.....I suggest anyone flying a Hamas flag goes to jail.....and now it's "woooooooahhhhh hold there bucko! We can't start putting Nazi's and terrorists in jail for having hateful views! It may lead to one of my hypotheticals that really has no basis of proof in a developed society happening! SO slow your roll, go after the people with hateful views but like don't jail anyone flying a Nazi/Hamas flag because uhhhhh well you see, once Nazi's get in trouble then it's open season on everyone!"

I can only imagine how many people would call for Ilhan Omar to be executed if she said "Hey hey hey, let's uhhhh not go after the people with Hamas flags!" I know I'd see some deranged tweet from like PatriotCommieKiller "Retweet if you think we should lynch OMAR" posted here and it would have the same 4/5 likes lmao.

I think enemy combatants of the US or it's allies would be a good place to start.

Send protestors to Israel!!!! (using taxpayer dollars) - Salient well put together point
Criminalize people who have Nazi/Hamas gear - Woaahhhhh lets not go that far, I can't say exactly why terrorist sympathizers shouldn't face legal consequences but like maybe lets not do that to them mmmmkay!

 

[Blazers46]

Because your point doesn't work that pro-lifers would be classified as terrorists if Nazi's and Hamas supporters are charged for hate speech.

What is your biggest gripe with criminalizing Nazi/Hamas speech - is it the slippery slope?

Abortion was an example… maybe extreme but use anything. Majoring on the minors here. My point still stands and “works” for me.

I think enemy combatants of the US or its allies would be a good place to start.

“Start” is not the problem, where does it “end” is.