Politics

[Blazers46]

I think I have made my point clear. If you want to go to Hell in a handbasket, by all means, do as you please. I am still entitled to an opinion on if being trans has any benefit or not. Like I have said many times, I have friends and people I encounter on a regular basis that want to be called by different nicknames and even some gender pronouns. If I feel like this privately negotiated mode of address is appropriate and not some ideological control tactic I am fine with it. I think the hysteria of someone having a different opinion than you all you are trained to get defensive and do what it is you guys are doing. I have never been accused of being any sort of phobic in real life... just on here because you guys see the black-and-white of the words and are trained to hate those words. Everyone I have a relationship with on a personal level knows my heart and where I stand on "hating" people and even treating them differently. I really think it's a foreign language to understand that someone could have a different idea and still be a friend. In social work, you learn that relationship is primary. You cannot start to talk to or provide any sort of service to someone without a relationship. People listen to you if they like you... they won't listen to you if they don't like you. The same goes for any relationship. That is why we take clients out for a beer. That's why there is always dinner typically before sex even with Tinder... relationship, relationship, relationship... message boards and social media are very impersonal so we respond on the black and white letters on this page and do a lot of assuming and trying to win the most minuscule argument and for what?

 

[GATTACA!]

I think I have made my point clear. If you want to go to Hell in a handbasket, by all means, do as you please. I am still entitled to an opinion on if being trans has any benefit or not. Like I have said many times, I have friends and people I encounter on a regular basis that want to be called by different nicknames and even some gender pronouns. If I feel like this privately negotiated mode of address is appropriate and not some ideological control tactic I am fine with it. I think the hysteria of someone having a different opinion than you all you are trained to get defensive and do what it is you guys are doing. I have never been accused of being any sort of phobic in real life... just on here because you guys see the black-and-white of the words and are trained to hate those words. Everyone I have a relationship with on a personal level knows my heart and where I stand on "hating" people and even treating them differently. I really think it's a foreign language to understand that someone could have a different idea and still be a friend. In social work, you learn that relationship is primary. You cannot start to talk to or provide any sort of service to someone without a relationship. People listen to you if they like you... they won't listen to you if they don't like you. The same goes for any relationship. That is why we take clients out for a beer. That's why there is always dinner typically before sex even with Tinder... relationship, relationship, relationship... message boards and social media are very impersonal so we respond on the black and white letters on this page and do a lot of assuming and trying to win the most minuscule argument and for what?

Idk if you're responding to me, but I never called you transphobic. Nor do I think you would intentionally call someone by the wrong pronoun just to fuck with them or out of principle. I think your nickname example is pretty apt. If someone asks you to call them she/he it seems like common decency to respect their wishes. Likewise if someone is clearly trying present as a male/female just try to do your best to get it right.

Anecdotal, but I work hand in hand with a trans person pretty much daily at work. Before transitioning they were suicidal. A very unstable person that was mad at the world. Also a military vet. After transitioning they're night and day different. Holds a steady job, not suicidal, even got married recently. Would they pass to a stranger meeting them on the street? No almost certainly not, but if it makes them happy and keeps them from wanting to kill themselves on a daily basis I find it hard to have a problem with their choice or to say they're simply mentally ill. Similar situation with a person I knew in college. They came back after summer break one semester having transitioned and were noticibly happier. The person in college transitioned much earlier in life and results are proportionally far better. I don't think anyone meeting them would know they're trans.

It seems like you're more concerned with kids being treated for claiming to be transgendered. Makes sense and I have my reservations about it too. From stuff I've read it seems like there is usually lots of intervention and testing before anything permanent can be prescribed, but I'm sure there are places and examples of it happening too soon. I would support some form of an established guidelines that sets some type of benchmarks and timelines that keep accidents or rash decisions from happening.

It also seems like you're conflating trans and non binary which I think is a total non issue. IMO a kid claiming they're wolfkin/xenogender/etc/etc/etc is the same as the goth or emo kids of yesteryear. It's just attention seeking combined with kids desires to be part of a group. The constant wining about it from conservatives just exacerbates it by making it feel counterculture instead of just ignoring it and letting it naturally fade away.

At the end of the day I don't really care about the issue all that much. IMO let trans people do what they want. The vast majority just want to feel like they belong in their own skin. Stuff like the drag shows at elementary schools is obviously way over the line and feels like the sexualization of gay pride parades. Intended to move the Overton window in order to make run of the mill gays seem palatable in comparison. That needs to stop, along with protections for kids that are too young to make any sort of permenant decsion about their body.

But this is just more culture war bullshit mostly. It effects such a minuscule segment of the population. Of course both sides want everyone fighting about this instead of working towards solutions for any problems that matter to real people. Corruption, healthcare, homelessness, inflation, home ownership, gun violence, declining birthrates, eradication of the middle class, lets keep everyone arguing about 0.004% of the population (yes that's the actual % of trans people in the US).

End rant.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

I think we can all agree the AI Deep fake thing is gonna be a problem.

 

[Irish#1]

Forcing you? I can’t remember the last time I just the alphabet soup language that they hold a gun to your head and force you to use.

No, but it's standard practice to shame someone and call them a bigot if one doesn't want to use the label.

 

[drayer54]

I think we can all agree the AI Deep fake thing is gonna be a problem.

It didn't capture the stutter or the thing, you know, the thing. Wasn't believable to me.

 

[Irish#1]

I think we can all agree the AI Deep fake thing is gonna be a problem.

Probably will eventually, but not here. You can tell the image of Biden is generated, but more importantly, Biden hasn't strung together more than a couple of coherent sentences in a row in a long time. lol

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

The technology will get better lol 😂

 

[TorontoGold]

I assume you are wanting me to respond to you....


I am not following. I think you are going on your own rabbit trail here.




Ok fine. My point still remains... social confusion and social contagion. 1 in 5 youth now "identify" as some letter in the alphabet. There are 150 different genders. We conduct transition surgery on kids... some without parental knowledge or permission. There are rules to diagnostic decisions... standards... in order to fulfill the obligations of your profession. If someone comes to you and says, "I feel like I have cancer" that is not grounds for diagnosis and obviously not enough for surgery. We have gender-affirming therapists that do the same thing. If an elementary-age kid comes to a school therapist and says that he thinks he's gay or the opposite sex... they affirm, they don't investigate or do anything but take their word for it. My elementary-aged kid still thinks he is going to be a superhero like a spiderman, where is his affirming care? The point is these kids are so confused by the time they reach HS graduation. If a kid fails a test and then calls himself a retard, then his teachers and therapists call him a retard because of a self-proclamation when he was 7... the kid will grow up thinking he is a retard. Point is, these kids are confused. Then they enter society confused... so don't complain about society if you are the one promoting this confusion. I agree there are so many unaddressed issues with mental health and children... unfortunately we are putting way too many resources in this gendering idea. That, as I stated earlier, has no defined standard of care or diagnostic reasoning.

My point was - how are people who scared/ignorant/prejeduiced against trans people strong? The assumption that society is less "strong" because of the rise in acceptance in trans people isn't reasonable IMO.

There was a neat study done about the rise in left handedness from 1920 to 1960 - people weren't "conditioned" to be more left handed, they were allowed to be themselves. I don't see why this wouldn't the same thing with transgender issues, people aren't lining up to be trans so they can be subjected to discrimination - I can promise you that.

I am a CPA so my knowledge of psychology or treatment of such is only at a topical level. My personal belief is that society does better when people are comfortable, with the trans community they experience violence and self harm at exponentially higher rates. I see that as something that can be improved. In terms of childcare - kids aren't harmed in a meaningful way by the presence of the trans community, they are harmed from economic pressures that have easily observable causes. A child should have their food and shelter needs dealt with way before we think that someone in drag is poisoning their mind.

Imagine if someone like Matt Walsh who's so concerned about child genitals - channeled that into causes like elementary school breakfast programs for disadvantaged kids. It would be much much more impactful and easier for everyone to get behind. The reason is pretty obvious he would rather choose something to tap into the ignorant rage towards "filth" that really does not but pit people against each other.

 

[Irish#1]

The technology will get better lol 😂

The sun will probably rise is the east tomorrow.

 

[RDU Irish]

“Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times.”

Guess what phase we are in?

We are in the "women" getting hard-ons in weak men stage.

 

[GoIrish41]

Idk if you're responding to me, but I never called you transphobic. Nor do I think you would intentionally call someone by the wrong pronoun just to fuck with them or out of principle. I think your nickname example is pretty apt. If someone asks you to call them she/he it seems like common decency to respect their wishes. Likewise if someone is clearly trying present as a male/female just try to do your best to get it right.

Anecdotal, but I work hand in hand with a trans person pretty much daily at work. Before transitioning they were suicidal. A very unstable person that was mad at the world. Also a military vet. After transitioning they're night and day different. Holds a steady job, not suicidal, even got married recently. Would they pass to a stranger meeting them on the street? No almost certainly not, but if it makes them happy and keeps them from wanting to kill themselves on a daily basis I find it hard to have a problem with their choice or to say they're simply mentally ill. Similar situation with a person I knew in college. They came back after summer break one semester having transitioned and were noticibly happier. The person in college transitioned much earlier in life and results are proportionally far better. I don't think anyone meeting them would know they're trans.

It seems like you're more concerned with kids being treated for claiming to be transgendered. Makes sense and I have my reservations about it too. From stuff I've read it seems like there is usually lots of intervention and testing before anything permanent can be prescribed, but I'm sure there are places and examples of it happening too soon. I would support some form of an established guidelines that sets some type of benchmarks and timelines that keep accidents or rash decisions from happening.

It also seems like you're conflating trans and non binary which I think is a total non issue. IMO a kid claiming they're wolfkin/xenogender/etc/etc/etc is the same as the goth or emo kids of yesteryear. It's just attention seeking combined with kids desires to be part of a group. The constant wining about it from conservatives just exacerbates it by making it feel counterculture instead of just ignoring it and letting it naturally fade away.

At the end of the day I don't really care about the issue all that much. IMO let trans people do what they want. The vast majority just want to feel like they belong in their own skin. Stuff like the drag shows at elementary schools is obviously way over the line and feels like the sexualization of gay pride parades. Intended to move the Overton window in order to make run of the mill gays seem palatable in comparison. That needs to stop, along with protections for kids that are too young to make any sort of permenant decsion about their body.

But this is just more culture war bullshit mostly. It effects such a minuscule segment of the population. Of course both sides want everyone fighting about this instead of working towards solutions for any problems that matter to real people. Corruption, healthcare, homelessness, inflation, home ownership, gun violence, declining birthrates, eradication of the middle class, lets keep everyone arguing about 0.004% of the population (yes that's the actual % of trans people in the US).

End rant.

A rant worth reading!

 

[Irish#1]

Idk if you're responding to me, but I never called you transphobic. Nor do I think you would intentionally call someone by the wrong pronoun just to fuck with them or out of principle. I think your nickname example is pretty apt. If someone asks you to call them she/he it seems like common decency to respect their wishes. Likewise if someone is clearly trying present as a male/female just try to do your best to get it right.

Anecdotal, but I work hand in hand with a trans person pretty much daily at work. Before transitioning they were suicidal. A very unstable person that was mad at the world. Also a military vet. After transitioning they're night and day different. Holds a steady job, not suicidal, even got married recently. Would they pass to a stranger meeting them on the street? No almost certainly not, but if it makes them happy and keeps them from wanting to kill themselves on a daily basis I find it hard to have a problem with their choice or to say they're simply mentally ill. Similar situation with a person I knew in college. They came back after summer break one semester having transitioned and were noticibly happier. The person in college transitioned much earlier in life and results are proportionally far better. I don't think anyone meeting them would know they're trans.

It seems like you're more concerned with kids being treated for claiming to be transgendered. Makes sense and I have my reservations about it too. From stuff I've read it seems like there is usually lots of intervention and testing before anything permanent can be prescribed, but I'm sure there are places and examples of it happening too soon. I would support some form of an established guidelines that sets some type of benchmarks and timelines that keep accidents or rash decisions from happening.

It also seems like you're conflating trans and non binary which I think is a total non issue. IMO a kid claiming they're wolfkin/xenogender/etc/etc/etc is the same as the goth or emo kids of yesteryear. It's just attention seeking combined with kids desires to be part of a group. The constant wining about it from conservatives just exacerbates it by making it feel counterculture instead of just ignoring it and letting it naturally fade away.

At the end of the day I don't really care about the issue all that much. IMO let trans people do what they want. The vast majority just want to feel like they belong in their own skin. Stuff like the drag shows at elementary schools is obviously way over the line and feels like the sexualization of gay pride parades. Intended to move the Overton window in order to make run of the mill gays seem palatable in comparison. That needs to stop, along with protections for kids that are too young to make any sort of permenant decsion about their body.

But this is just more culture war bullshit mostly. It effects such a minuscule segment of the population. Of course both sides want everyone fighting about this instead of working towards solutions for any problems that matter to real people. Corruption, healthcare, homelessness, inflation, home ownership, gun violence, declining birthrates, eradication of the middle class, lets keep everyone arguing about 0.004% of the population (yes that's the actual % of trans people in the US).

End rant.

I agree with pretty much most of what your saying and while I can't speak for others, I think they probably agree with most of this as well. I'm not sure goth is an acceptable comparison. Seems that's more in line with identifying as a beatnik, hippy or valley girl. to each his own. Where some seem to get bent out of shape is with this bigoted mindset that if you can't agree 100% lockstep with them, your a racist or bigot. I really don't care if someone is LGBTQ. I don't care how they dress or how they want to be addressed. If I interact with a transgender at a store, I thank them by the name they have on their name tag.

What I care about is our youth and what they are getting exposed to at an early age. You hit 18, do what you want. Under 18, let's put on the brakes. The video of the girl dancing is wrong on so many levels. I find it amazing that her parents let her prance around like Christy at the Brass Flamingo and people are giving her money. I would have never let my daughter do that when she was young and if I saw one of my granddaughters doing that, my kid would be getting an earful and anyone that knows me, knows I'm far from being a prude.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

 

[Blazers46]

My point was - how are people who scared/ignorant/prejeduiced against trans people strong? The assumption that society is less "strong" because of the rise in acceptance in trans people isn't reasonable IMO.

There was a neat study done about the rise in left handedness from 1920 to 1960 - people weren't "conditioned" to be more left handed, they were allowed to be themselves. I don't see why this wouldn't the same thing with transgender issues, people aren't lining up to be trans so they can be subjected to discrimination - I can promise you that.

I am a CPA so my knowledge of psychology or treatment of such is only at a topical level. My personal belief is that society does better when people are comfortable, with the trans community they experience violence and self harm at exponentially higher rates. I see that as something that can be improved. In terms of childcare - kids aren't harmed in a meaningful way by the presence of the trans community, they are harmed from economic pressures that have easily observable causes. A child should have their food and shelter needs dealt with way before we think that someone in drag is poisoning their mind.

Imagine if someone like Matt Walsh who's so concerned about child genitals - channeled that into causes like elementary school breakfast programs for disadvantaged kids. It would be much much more impactful and easier for everyone to get behind. The reason is pretty obvious he would rather choose something to tap into the ignorant rage towards "filth" that really does not but pit people against each other.

I think you are making that up yourself. Never did I say nor is this a mutually agreed upon statement that scared/ignorant/prejudiced people against trans are strong. They very well could be strong, but that is not what makes them strong. This is leftist logic you are holding onto. I get that in your circles "Strong men" and "toxic masculine" men are synonymous.

I disagree with your second point. You can make an argument that people are not lining up to be shot and killed or be almost guaranteed to be the victim of violent crime but yet they join the gang. There are reasons people join certain "communities". Have you ever tried to get someone out of the gang life that thinks this is who they are?

I 100% disagree with your logic on comfortableness and its benefit to society. I think Americans' addiction to comfort is a cause for a lot of problems.

Stats can make them say anything you want them to say. Straight males experience violence at an overwhelming higher rate than straight women... maybe men should start bitching and moaning about victimizations. When we talk about members in the LGBTQ community that are sexually assaulted, are they being assaulted by straight people? It would be sort of an oxymoron to suggest straight men are sexually assaulting gay men. If a man sexually assaults another man... logic tells you they have sexual issues themselves. Domestic issues are common in this community. Trans domestic issues are the highest of any community but that is committed by their partner, who one would assume falls under the LGBTQ standard. LGBTQ members are more likely to engage in risky behaviors than hetero's... they are more likely to put THEMSELVES in higher-risk situations. You can also ask the chicken/egg question. Far more LGBTQ members have reported past sexual trauma... molestation, rape, etc... is this the cause for their LGBTQ identification? I have a cousin that was raped by a man, she then turned gay/trans almost immediately after. Gay bashing exists but it does not exist at the clip the stat pushers suggest. If a gay man is abused it is far more likely he is abused by another gay person, both sexually or domestically.

You bring up Matt Walsh and his fight for whatever it is he is fighting for. But the same can be said for the other side pushing for what Mr. Walsh is pushing against. And let's be real... Matt Walsh won't get the clicks he would get fighting for free breakfast. Sadly neither will the left-leaning media that he is pushing against with the push for penis mutilation.

 

[Blazers46]

I agree with pretty much most of what your saying and while I can't speak for others, I think they probably agree with most of this as well. I'm not sure goth is an acceptable comparison. Seems that's more in line with identifying as a beatnik, hippy or valley girl. to each his own. Where some seem to get bent out of shape is with this bigoted mindset that if you can't agree 100% lockstep with them, your a racist or bigot. I really don't care if someone is LGBTQ. I don't care how they dress or how they want to be addressed. If I interact with a transgender at a store, I thank them by the name they have on their name tag.

What I care about is our youth and what they are getting exposed to at an early age. You hit 18, do what you want. Under 18, let's put on the brakes. The video of the girl dancing is wrong on so many levels. I find it amazing that her parents let her prance around like Christy at the Brass Flamingo and people are giving her money. I would have never let my daughter do that when she was young and if I saw one of my granddaughters doing that, my kid would be getting an earful and anyone that knows me, knows I'm far from being a prude.

100%. I have a brother that is a complete fuck up. I will give him advice on a time and place basis but he is free to fuck up as he wishes. Same for all these social issues. I don't agree with it and I have my opinions but if you are a friend, family, or just someone I am buying skittles from I will treat you just like the next guy/person/whatever. I think the big dividing line is the ideological control tactics used by the left and LGBTQ community. I owned a few businesses. I am somewhat known in the community and people know I am a straight/white/male/conservative. I have had questions by the LGBTQ community my thoughts on selling to them... why I do not have a bathroom for them when I just simply have one standard unisex bathroom. I had some rando come in to assess my LGBTQ accomodations and an article was written that included one of my businesses as not being LGBTQ friendly because I did not have a seperate bathroom for the community... the more they push the more they will be met with resistance. You are gay? Cool, so what... that is where the discussion needs to stop.

 

[drayer54]

Starting to see who actually watches CPAC...

 

[TorontoGold]

I think you are making that up yourself. Never did I say nor is this a mutually agreed upon statement that scared/ignorant/prejudiced people against trans are strong. They very well could be strong, but that is not what makes them strong. This is leftist logic you are holding onto. I get that in your circles "Strong men" and "toxic masculine" men are synonymous.

I disagree with your second point. You can make an argument that people are not lining up to be shot and killed or be almost guaranteed to be the victim of violent crime but yet they join the gang. There are reasons people join certain "communities". Have you ever tried to get someone out of the gang life that thinks this is who they are?

I 100% disagree with your logic on comfortableness and its benefit to society. I think Americans' addiction to comfort is a cause for a lot of problems.

Stats can make them say anything you want them to say. Straight males experience violence at an overwhelming higher rate than straight women... maybe men should start bitching and moaning about victimizations. When we talk about members in the LGBTQ community that are sexually assaulted, are they being assaulted by straight people? It would be sort of an oxymoron to suggest straight men are sexually assaulting gay men. If a man sexually assaults another man... logic tells you they have sexual issues themselves. Domestic issues are common in this community. Trans domestic issues are the highest of any community but that is committed by their partner, who one would assume falls under the LGBTQ standard. LGBTQ members are more likely to engage in risky behaviors than hetero's... they are more likely to put THEMSELVES in higher-risk situations. You can also ask the chicken/egg question. Far more LGBTQ members have reported past sexual trauma... molestation, rape, etc... is this the cause for their LGBTQ identification? I have a cousin that was raped by a man, she then turned gay/trans almost immediately after. Gay bashing exists but it does not exist at the clip the stat pushers suggest. If a gay man is abused it is far more likely he is abused by another gay person, both sexually or domestically.

You bring up Matt Walsh and his fight for whatever it is he is fighting for. But the same can be said for the other side pushing for what Mr. Walsh is pushing against. And let's be real... Matt Walsh won't get the clicks he would get fighting for free breakfast. Sadly neither will the left-leaning media that he is pushing against with the push for penis mutilation.

I took your post about how society is weaker now because of how progressive society is becoming and how teaching acceptance of LGBTQ is adding to the perceived weakening of society. Therefore meaning that anyone sympathetic to LGBTQ matters to be "weaker" and that anyone opposed to them to be "strong". I guess it would be easier if you described what you consider to be a strong man, and this even relates to trans/LGBTQ matters.

What parts of society are addicted to comfort? Youth unemployment is at it's lowest since the 60's. Interested on your statistical basis for this position.

Yeah men commit incredible amounts of violence at inequal rates than women. Some communities like the 40%'ers do it at higher rates than any other profession. However, that's a different discussion all together.

LGBTQ are 4x more likely to experience violence and 2x as likely to experience property crimes - LGBT people nearly four times more likely than non-LGBT people to be victims of violent crime

If you re-read my post it mentioned violent crime in general, not all violent crime is rape or sexual assault. These people are easy marks that society has picked on.

"Stat pushers" - Kind of an interesting comment, if we are to go off anecdotal talking points fed to us by our respective echo chambers then what does it matter? Don't listen to me because I can wax poetic about the trials and tribulations of some trans friends I have, but look at the data that supports those statements. If we are to not believe the stats shown to us, then who are we to believe? The people that tell us nice things to confirm preconceived notions? Someone like Patrick Bet-David is a great example of this.

I have yet to see any Leftist speak at a seminar in scope similar to CPAC arguing for the opposite of eradicating transgenderism. Matt Walsh is extremely intelligent, he found his marks and is milking them dry. Which section of left wing media is pushing pro-trans rhetoric? I did control+F to find anything on CNN and found nothing, Fox had an article about trans people in powerlifting. MSNBC had an article from the LGBTQ community calling for George Santos to resign. So I'm not sure what large leftwing media outlet is pushing anything pro-trans?

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

100%. I have a brother that is a complete fuck up. I will give him advice on a time and place basis but he is free to fuck up as he wishes. Same for all these social issues. I don't agree with it and I have my opinions but if you are a friend, family, or just someone I am buying skittles from I will treat you just like the next guy/person/whatever. I think the big dividing line is the ideological control tactics used by the left and LGBTQ community. I owned a few businesses. I am somewhat known in the community and people know I am a straight/white/male/conservative. I have had questions by the LGBTQ community my thoughts on selling to them... why I do not have a bathroom for them when I just simply have one standard unisex bathroom. I had some rando come in to assess my LGBTQ accomodations and an article was written that included one of my businesses as not being LGBTQ friendly because I did not have a seperate bathroom for the community... the more they push the more they will be met with resistance. You are gay? Cool, so what... that is where the discussion needs to stop.

Ideological control tactics by the left….. el o el.

Name a political party that is trying to legislate control over women, gays, blacks and other minorities. You get 1 guess

 

[Blazers46]

I took your post about how society is weaker now because of how progressive society is becoming and how teaching acceptance of LGBTQ is adding to the perceived weakening of society. Therefore meaning that anyone sympathetic to LGBTQ matters to be "weaker" and that anyone opposed to them to be "strong". I guess it would be easier if you described what you consider to be a strong man, and this even relates to trans/LGBTQ matters.

What parts of society are addicted to comfort? Youth unemployment is at it's lowest since the 60's. Interested on your statistical basis for this position.

Yeah men commit incredible amounts of violence at inequal rates than women. Some communities like the 40%'ers do it at higher rates than any other profession. However, that's a different discussion all together.

LGBTQ are 4x more likely to experience violence and 2x as likely to experience property crimes - LGBT people nearly four times more likely than non-LGBT people to be victims of violent crime

If you re-read my post it mentioned violent crime in general, not all violent crime is rape or sexual assault. These people are easy marks that society has picked on.

"Stat pushers" - Kind of an interesting comment, if we are to go off anecdotal talking points fed to us by our respective echo chambers then what does it matter? Don't listen to me because I can wax poetic about the trials and tribulations of some trans friends I have, but look at the data that supports those statements. If we are to not believe the stats shown to us, then who are we to believe? The people that tell us nice things to confirm preconceived notions? Someone like Patrick Bet-David is a great example of this.

I have yet to see any Leftist speak at a seminar in scope similar to CPAC arguing for the opposite of eradicating transgenderism. Matt Walsh is extremely intelligent, he found his marks and is milking them dry. Which section of left wing media is pushing pro-trans rhetoric? I did control+F to find anything on CNN and found nothing, Fox had an article about trans people in powerlifting. MSNBC had an article from the LGBTQ community calling for George Santos to resign. So I'm not sure what large leftwing media outlet is pushing anything pro-trans?

Society is feminizing men.

Society being addicted to comfort is not a new concept.

Your stats/facts assume all LGBTQ victims are assaulted or victimized by non-LGBTQ people, which is simply not true by a long shot. Like I stated in my last comment, hate crimes exist but your point about 4x more likely this and that but forget to mention the perps are other LGBTQ peeps. Like with any subcategory. Victims and perps are typically those of similar demographics. White on white crime, black on black crime, poor people tend to victimize poor and so on and so on...

 

[Blazers46]

Ideological control tactics by the left….. el o el.

Name a political party that is trying to legislate control over women, gays, blacks and other minorities. You get 1 guess

Classic "I know you are but what am I" defense.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Classic "I know you are but what am I" defense.

You were expecting something deep and original?

 

[drayer54]

We tried telling Cack who the hate groups are. He didn’t listen.

 

[TorontoGold]

Society is feminizing men.

Society being addicted to comfort is not a new concept.

Your stats/facts assume all LGBTQ victims are assaulted or victimized by non-LGBTQ people, which is simply not true by a long shot. Like I stated in my last comment, hate crimes exist but your point about 4x more likely this and that but forget to mention the perps are other LGBTQ peeps. Like with any subcategory. Victims and perps are typically those of similar demographics. White on white crime, black on black crime, poor people tend to victimize poor and so on and so on...

What is issue with feminizing men? And how does this contribute to a "weakening" of men?

What proof or support is there for society being addicted to comfort, aside from "dude trust me"?

I made no representation about it being "all LGBTQ victims are assaulted or victimized by non-LGBTQ people" nor did the study, maybe an oversight on your part. You can look into the study further if you're concerned about the methodology, it's not an opinion piece. I simply said that they are 4x as likely to experience violent crime and that is unfortunate. It's obviously a combination of both those in their community and those outside of it, either way they are subject to a higher rate of violent crime than non-LGBTQ people.

 

[Blazers46]

What is issue with feminizing men? And how does this contribute to a "weakening" of men?

What proof or support is there for society being addicted to comfort, aside from "dude trust me"?

I made no representation about it being "all LGBTQ victims are assaulted or victimized by non-LGBTQ people" nor did the study, maybe an oversight on your part. You can look into the study further if you're concerned about the methodology, it's not an opinion piece. I simply said that they are 4x as likely to experience violent crime and that is unfortunate. It's obviously a combination of both those in their community and those outside of it, either way they are subject to a higher rate of violent crime than non-LGBTQ people.

Dumb answer/question... just by the question alone we are obviously going to disagree.

I have plenty but you have google, use it.

I told you that LGBTQ peeps put themselves in more at-risk/ricky situations. This is pretty common knowledge. Hence the higher numbers.

 

[Blazers46]

You were expecting something deep and original?

Something at least more mature than 6th grade.

 

[TorontoGold]

Dumb answer/question... just by the question alone we are obviously going to disagree.

I have plenty but you have google, use it.

I told you that LGBTQ peeps put themselves in more at-risk/ricky situations. This is pretty common knowledge. Hence the higher numbers.

My position is that having feminine elements in society improves it.

The onus isn't on me to find stats to support your position, as the person that made the claim you should be able to support it. Both of us have google. You were able to write a paragraph on your brother and how your store was criticized, surely you could use time to support your positions with actual sources?

How do we know that they are putting themselves in at-risk situations? Maybe we could take it further and say that it if it's true that LGBTQ people are in more "dangerous situations" it would be more beneficial to society to improve conditions for them, no?

 

[Blazers46]

My position is that having feminine elements in society improves it.

The onus isn't on me to find stats to support your position, as the person that made the claim you should be able to support it. Both of us have google. You were able to write a paragraph on your brother and how your store was criticized, surely you could use time to support your positions with actual sources?

How do we know that they are putting themselves in at-risk situations? Maybe we could take it further and say that it if it's true that LGBTQ people are in more "dangerous situations" it would be more beneficial to society to improve conditions for them, no?

Sure.

I am not the ignorant one, therefore the onus is on you to be less ignorant. I am not your teacher.

We know this by stats and data... educate yourself.

 

[TorontoGold]

Sure.

I am not the ignorant one, therefore the onus is on you to be less ignorant. I am not your teacher.

We know this by stats and data... educate yourself.

Ah, I'm the ignorant one for asking for you to provide support. Got it.

I guess we'll leave this discussion as it is; no definition as to what constitutes a "strong man" just that we know society is weakening and that feminizing men is bad we just don't exactly why it's bad.

 

[Blazers46]

Ah, I'm the ignorant one for asking for you to provide support. Got it.

I guess we'll leave this discussion as it is; no definition as to what constitutes a "strong man" just that we know society is weakening and that feminizing men is bad we just don't exactly why it's bad.

You did not ask, you said the onus is on me thus telling me that this is the way it is supposed to be. Is this rooted in science or is it the way it typically is? A socially constructed way of arguing? I thought the goal was to break social constructs and just do what makes us happy. I am happy to let you teach yourself. Its the most comfortable way for me...

You asked what is wrong with feminizing men... I think that is where you lost me. I will curtsy and bid you farewell....

 

[TorontoGold]

You did not ask, you said the onus is on me thus telling me that this is the way it is supposed to be. Is this rooted in science or is it the way it typically is? A socially constructed way of arguing? I thought the goal was to break social constructs and just do what makes us happy. I am happy to let you teach yourself. Its the most comfortable way for me...

You asked what is wrong with feminizing men... I think that is where you lost me. I will curtsy and bid you farewell....

What is issue with feminizing men? And how does this contribute to a "weakening" of men?

What proof or support is there for society being addicted to comfort, aside from "dude trust me"?

I made no representation about it being "all LGBTQ victims are assaulted or victimized by non-LGBTQ people" nor did the study, maybe an oversight on your part. You can look into the study further if you're concerned about the methodology, it's not an opinion piece. I simply said that they are 4x as likely to experience violent crime and that is unfortunate. It's obviously a combination of both those in their community and those outside of it, either way they are subject to a higher rate of violent crime than non-LGBTQ people.

Today is not a good day in the Blazer household. 0/2 on claims of what I did or didn't write.

So when asked what is wrong with feminizing men you are going to shirk? This seemed to be a strongly held opinion I would have expected you to be more dug in, alas.