Politics

[Polish Leppy 22]

Here's my annual reminder that people are continuing to flee the bluest of blue states for the reddest of red states.

Top 10 states people left in 2021:

1. California
2. New York
3. Illinois
4. Mass
5. Louisiana
6. New Jersey
7. DC
8. Maryland
9. Minnesota
10. Hawaii

Top 10 states people moved to in 2021:

1. Florida
2. Texas
3. Arizona
4. North Carolina
5. South Carolina
6. Tennessee
7. Georgia
8. Idaho
9. Utah
10. Nevada

 

[NorthDakota]

Here's my annual reminder that people are continuing to flee the bluest of blue states for the reddest of red states.

Top 10 states people left in 2021:

1. California
2. New York
3. Illinois
4. Mass
5. Louisiana
6. New Jersey
7. DC
8. Maryland
9. Minnesota
10. Hawaii

Top 10 states people moved to in 2021:

1. Florida
2. Texas
3. Arizona
4. North Carolina
5. South Carolina
6. Tennessee
7. Georgia
8. Idaho
9. Utah
10. Nevada

I mean in the top states you listed for places folks moved to they are mostly not "reddest" but definitely on the red side of the spectrum.

 

[Armyirish47]

I mean in the top states you listed for places folks moved to they are mostly not "reddest" but definitely on the red side of the spectrum.

And they aren't moving to the red parts of those states lol

 

[NorthDakota]

And they aren't moving to the red parts of those states lol

Not sure that matters. If you are moving to Florida because of factors within the state's control (schools, taxes, business stuff?), it doesn't matter if you move to a blue area like Broward County or a red area like Escambia County.

 

[Armyirish47]

Not sure that matters. If you are moving to Florida because of factors within the state's control (schools, taxes, business stuff?), it doesn't matter if you move to a blue area like Broward County or a red area like Escambia County.

I think it matters because the political narratives are overblown, it tends to boil down to cheaper cost of living. Broward County has grown by 12.17% since 2010 as compared to Escambia Counties growth of 8.96%. They didn't stop wearing blue jerseys or whatever, they just did it where they get a bigger backyard. Which is nice!

 

[TorontoGold]

I think it matters because the political narratives are overblown, it tends to boil down to cheaper cost of living. Broward County has grown by 12.17% since 2010 as compared to Escambia Counties growth of 8.96%. They didn't stop wearing blue jerseys or whatever, they just did it where they get a bigger backyard. Which is nice!

It's going to be super interesting to see new election fraud in these states, surely won't have anything to do with Dems moving in.

 

[ulukinatme]

It's going to be super interesting to see new election fraud in these states, surely won't have anything to do with Dems moving in.

All these people departing California and New York for places like Florida and Texas should leave their politics in their old states tbh.

 

[NorthDakota]

It's going to be super interesting to see new election fraud in these states, surely won't have anything to do with Dems moving in.

I mean Florida is getting more red... at least in terms of registered voters. Texas is a neat one to look at... Hispanics may be finally "trending" red.

Some folks on both sides will claim the sky is falling and things will end up the same way they always seem to, roughly 50/50 in terms of election win potential.

 

[Blazers46]

It's going to be super interesting to see new election fraud in these states, surely won't have anything to do with Dems moving in.

Finally we agree on something but for different reasons. It wont because its the Republicans fleeing the blue states more than Dems.

 

[ulukinatme]

Almost put this in the Funny Video thread, but I try to keep politics out of there.

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/CarrieQThinks/status/1480281001154596865[/TWEET]

 

[Irish#1]

AOC tests positive for COVID-19 after partying in Miami maskless


https://www.newsbreak.com/news/2481...g-in-miami-maskless?noAds=1&_f=app_share&s=i3

 

[Irish#1]

Almost put this in the Funny Video thread, but I try to keep politics out of there.

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/CarrieQThinks/status/1480281001154596865[/TWEET]

Funny

 

[drayer54]

All these people departing California and New York for places like Florida and Texas should leave their politics in their old states tbh.

Several Political types have said that the migration from California to Texas has helped, not hurt the Texas GOP. I know for me, during my last move, I refused to move to a blue state. That would be 100X more solid now after seeing the COVID management. My industry is always recruiting in the big 3 of CA, IL, and NY. I always stop the recruiters right there. Not doing it.

Also, you can move to the bluest district of Florida and still enjoy the DeSantis life. Doesn't matter.

 

[RDU Irish]

Met with a couple that has been in NC for quite a while from NYC - she was a detective, him a fire chief. Funny to listen to them spew on an on about how virtually their entire families are in some union or another and early retirement all over the place with ridiculous pensions while complaining about the taxes and high cost of living they fled from. Zero ability to see any cause and effect in play.

 

[IrishLax]

Thought this was pretty interesting:

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/bpmehlman/status/1483059097121472514?s=20[/TWEET]

To me, this would align with what I personally saw in Virginia -- of my family/friend groups, lots of traditional Rs stopped supporting the party from 2016-2020 and then came back into the fold for the 2021 gubernatorial election.

Projecting this forward, have to think that someone like DeSantis would win the 2024 presidential election in a landslide.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Thought this was pretty interesting:

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/bpmehlman/status/1483059097121472514?s=20[/TWEET]

To me, this would align with what I personally saw in Virginia -- of my family/friend groups, lots of traditional Rs stopped supporting the party from 2016-2020 and then came back into the fold for the 2021 gubernatorial election.

Projecting this forward, have to think that someone like DeSantis would win the 2024 presidential election in a landslide.

Some of it may have to do with traditional R's "coming back into the fold". But considering the R's last had a 5 pt lead was back in 1995, this is equally Democrats being out of step with the masses. Heck, you would have to go back to around 2010 to find a period where it was roughly even.

 

[IrishLax]

Some of it may have to do with traditional R's "coming back into the fold". But considering the R's last had a 5 pt lead was back in 1995, this is equally Democrats being out of step with the masses. Heck, you would have to go back to around 2010 to find a period where it was roughly even.

Interesting. When was the last time Republicans were higher than the 47 point mark they’re currently at? Anywhere I can look that up?

 

[ab2cmiller]

Interesting. When was the last time Republicans were higher than the 47 point mark they’re currently at? Anywhere I can look that up?

It's in the link that was part of the tweet you posted.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Here's a link to the summary report that was done for the year 2020. The final paragraph pretty much says it all.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/328310/party-average-2020-winds-similar-prior-years.aspx

The Democratic edge in party affiliation is largely the result of more independents -- the largest U.S. political group -- leaning toward the Democratic Party than the Republican Party. This suggests the Democratic edge is somewhat fragile, so that if the party shifts significantly leftward in its policies or rhetoric, its advantage could shrink or even disappear as it has at times in the past.

 

[ulukinatme]

It's a never ending cycle, the double edged sword of the two party system. One party gets the lead, invariably they get cocky and try to push agenda and/or other forces like economic downturn gives rise to calls for change. The other side gets momentum, and then the cycle starts again. That's why it was amusing to see people in the last election claim that the GOP would never win another one, total delusion. If any party ever gained such a foothold there would be an eventual course correction or movement by the other party to change policy and bring people back to their side. That, or the inevitable changes in outside forces as mentioned would facilitate the call for change and said party would lose their foothold. It's an endless dance.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Thought this was pretty interesting:

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/bpmehlman/status/1483059097121472514?s=20[/TWEET]

To me, this would align with what I personally saw in Virginia -- of my family/friend groups, lots of traditional Rs stopped supporting the party from 2016-2020 and then came back into the fold for the 2021 gubernatorial election.

Projecting this forward, have to think that someone like DeSantis would win the 2024 presidential election in a landslide.

No matter who the R candidate is, I would just keep it simple for everyone: shitty policies, both at the state level and national level, suck a lot more than mean tweets do.

 

[Irishize]

It's a never ending cycle, the double edged sword of the two party system. One party gets the lead, invariably they get cocky and try to push agenda and/or other forces like economic downturn gives rise to calls for change. The other side gets momentum, and then the cycle starts again. That's why it was amusing to see people in the last election claim that the GOP would never win another one, total delusion. If any party ever gained such a foothold there would be an eventual course correction or movement by the other party to change policy and bring people back to their side. That, or the inevitable changes in outside forces as mentioned would facilitate the call for change and said party would lose their foothold. It's an endless dance.

100%

I don’t get the Democrat or Republican con in 2022…at least on a national level where it’s so divisive. To me, both parties are their own cult. They’ll support most anything if it favors their party and then be against it when the opposing party is pushing for it. The 2nd biggest trick the Devil ever played was convincing the national electorate that there’s a dime’s worth of difference between either party.

 

[IrishLax]

It's in the link that was part of the tweet you posted.

Thanks, had to scroll down to later in the article for that graph going back to '91. Which -- ironically -- is the last time that Republicans had an edge.

 

[ulukinatme]

100%

I don’t get the Democrat or Republican con in 2022…at least on a national level where it’s so divisive. To me, both parties are their own cult. They’ll support most anything if it favors their party and then be against it when the opposing party is pushing for it. The 2nd biggest trick the Devil ever played was convincing the national electorate that there’s a dime’s worth of difference between either party.

Absolutely this. You don't have to look any farther than the COVID jab to see the differences. Democrats campaigned against the "Trump vaccine" and many said they would never take it. After Biden took office both parties reversed course somehow. It really lends itself to this idea of mass formation psychosis. What prompted the switch, why did so many people flip?

 

[ab2cmiller]

Thanks, had to scroll down to later in the article for that graph going back to '91. Which -- ironically -- is the last time that Republicans had an edge.

The graph going back to 91 in the linked tweet was based only on Annual Averages. Here is the chart showing quarterly averages instead which shows a bit more undulation.

 

[drayer54]

Dems still clinging to that we own your kids narrative. [TWEET]https://twitter.com/deangeliscorey/status/1483143852106170368?s=21[/TWEET]

 

[Irish#1]

100%

I don’t get the Democrat or Republican con in 2022…at least on a national level where it’s so divisive. To me, both parties are their own cult. They’ll support most anything if it favors their party and then be against it when the opposing party is pushing for it. The 2nd biggest trick the Devil ever played was convincing the national electorate that there’s a dime’s worth of difference between either party.

JFK and most Dems from the 60's and 70's would be looked at as conservatives in today's political climate. Wonder if they would agree with today's Dems?

 

[drayer54]

JFK and most Dems from the 60's and 70's would be looked at as conservatives in today's political climate. Wonder if they would agree with today's Dems?

You don't have to go back that far. [TWEET]https://twitter.com/JamalSimmons/status/9274170902847488?s=20[/TWEET]

That's Kamala's Comms Director 10 years ago. Now- apologies for sure.

When was the last time we had an NRA-A-rated Dem Senator? 2012, I think.

The Dems have driven off the cliff since Obama got elected. Really, I think it was when he was re-elected.

Joe Manchin had company as a moderate 12 years ago. Not now.

 

[RDU Irish]

JFK and most Dems from the 60's and 70's would be looked at as conservatives in today's political climate. Wonder if they would agree with today's Dems?

You mean the ones who filibustered the 1964 civil rights act for over two months? Oh wait - it was the moderate Dems like JFK who supported it.

Still think one of the greatest cons of all time is convincing the populace that Republicans are the racists.

 

[TorontoGold]

JFK and most Dems from the 60's and 70's would be looked at as conservatives in today's political climate. Wonder if they would agree with today's Dems?

If the argument is "JFK was a politician today" would he be seen as conservative, then no. If it's 1960's JFK, it's obvious he wouldn't agree.