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Even with all this it was still close. The write ins took a bunch away from Moore I would think.
I am still not certain its a victory until its PROPERLY certified.
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Even with all this it was still close. The write ins took a bunch away from Moore I would think.
I am still not certain its a victory until its PROPERLY certified.
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It's almost like you have to run a good candidate to win an election.
Alabama Election Results: Doug Jones Defeats Roy Moore in U.S. Senate Race (NYT) Has graphic and stats by county.
United States presidential election in Alabama, 2016 (Wikipedia)
United States presidential election in Alabama, 2016 (Wikipedia)
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Should serve as a reminder to folks like Steve Bannon. Though his struggles over the past year should help take away any influence he has.
Don't even need to run a good candidate in a place like Alabama. Can run an okay one without any baggage though!
My bro in law is a DC guy. Insists this is "Scott Brown 2010" all over again. Guess we'll see!
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I'm very encouraged by this result for three reasons:
1. It shows that a large percentage of Republicans are not willing to go to the polls for a deplorable person even if the cost is a senate seat for the party.
2. It shows that the post-HRC Democrat base is willing to turn out in huge numbers and get enthusiastic to defeat someone like Roy Moore.
3. It shows that the parasite that is Steve Bannon is lethal to the Republican party. He will either completely kill the party as part of the Trump era or he will be forcibly removed by the establishment. Either option is good for the country.
1. It shows that a large percentage of Republicans are not willing to go to the polls for a deplorable person even if the cost is a senate seat for the party.
2. It shows that the post-HRC Democrat base is willing to turn out in huge numbers and get enthusiastic to defeat someone like Roy Moore.
3. It shows that the parasite that is Steve Bannon is lethal to the Republican party. He will either completely kill the party as part of the Trump era or he will be forcibly removed by the establishment. Either option is good for the country.
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This could be really good for Marco Rubio. If he grows some testicular fortitude, he can now hold the tax bill hostage until he gets the additional child tax credit he wants.
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Why just Rubio? Collins and others have tons of amendments that if they dont get approved will likely vote no. Now they only need two no votes from republicans.
The bill itself is a wreck/mess and reconciliation btw the house and senate is unlikely to produce a viable bill before Christmas. I would like it to get scored and have some actual analysis performed on it (not like Mnuchin's laughable 1-page report). But we will see...
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Unfortunately you are more likely to see a tax cut for the top tax bracket.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/business/wp/2017/12/12/congress-could-finalize-deal-to-reconcile-house-and-senate-tax-bills-as-soon-as-today-top-republican-says/?utm_term=.c9e8cfcaea59
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That's a necessary change. The old language had some gap areas where people in certain states would be paying greater than 100% marginal rates.
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"Collins and others" are looking to amend the bill. Good for them, they might be successful in that. Rubio's amendment would literally be cash given directly to middle class voters and Rubio's the one who has aspirations of higher office, so him "winning" would have more implications than Collins winning.
Also, I think Collins' amendment already got in. $10,000 property tax deduction.
Most people care about two issues:
1. Economics - More money in their pockets and better jobs
2. Cheaper health care
I would not discount that the good people of Alabama made a statement that you make your promises, but, if you are not delivering, we'll put someone in who can.
Alabama has one insurer for 2017 and two for 2018. Those insurers have factored in Trump's ending of subsidies (CSRs) with the result that premiums increased by 15.6% in 2017.
While Alabama's seasonally-adjusted unemployment is a record and lower (3.6%) than the average in the U.S. (4.2%), most citizens saw only a 1-2% raise.
A compromise health care bill and a tax bill that targeted the middle class as well as a better candidate would have put a Rep back in the Senate.
1. Economics - More money in their pockets and better jobs
2. Cheaper health care
I would not discount that the good people of Alabama made a statement that you make your promises, but, if you are not delivering, we'll put someone in who can.
Alabama has one insurer for 2017 and two for 2018. Those insurers have factored in Trump's ending of subsidies (CSRs) with the result that premiums increased by 15.6% in 2017.
While Alabama's seasonally-adjusted unemployment is a record and lower (3.6%) than the average in the U.S. (4.2%), most citizens saw only a 1-2% raise.
A compromise health care bill and a tax bill that targeted the middle class as well as a better candidate would have put a Rep back in the Senate.
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No. People in this case didn't really care about either of those issues. They cared about one issue. Roy Moore is a kiddie diddler. That's it. Luther Strange would have won by 20.
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You can't be serious.
Literally that was like the least important thing to these voters. I know you're obsessed about healthcare... not one of the exit polls said "healthcare" was why a large percentage of people decided to vote for or against Moore. Nor was "economy" the reason people gave for voting.
Moore lost 96% of the black vote and the black vote was 29% of the total vote... so 28% raw percentage of the vote. That's the majority of Doug Jones raw vote total of 49.9%. That's your headline... that split is incredibly different from what was seen in last year's presidential.
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And racist. And crazy.
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You think this is why Jones won? Perhaps you forgot about the giant ped elephant in the room. The right will take this back next election when they get a non-sicko candidate. Hilarious that anyone can take this victory as anything but folks not voting for a shit show individual with an ugly story hanging over his head. Even so, it was a close race.
You are ignoring the stats by classes of voters. Strange would have had his difficulties with ties to Trump philosophies. Bannon wanted an increase to 44% in the top bracket but was dismissed by the Goldman group. If you think that Alabamans could stand another 15% increase in the individual market for health care with 1% raises when they are not covered by their employer, you are mistaken. The lesson that should be learned is bipartisanship to move America forward.
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Why wouldn't Alabamians' insurance not be covered by their employers?
In the individual marketplace?
Alabama health insurance marketplace: history and news of the state’s exchange (Healthinsuance.com - Alabama State Exchange)
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The bolded is true. But if the Left had the House and Senate, or a sitting prez, would you be saying the same thing? Sure didn't hear it much from the Left when Obama was in office.
Preliminary exit pollcresults: How differentcgroups voted in Alabama . (WaPo)
Also see Section - Trump disapproval rivaled approval in state he won by 28 points
Also see Section - Trump disapproval rivaled approval in state he won by 28 points
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Perhaps nationally. Trump lost 88% of the black vote compared to 96% lost by Moore. I can't find a 2016 racial breakdown specifically for Alabama.
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Not sure what your point is. "Most" are not the factor. It was the ones, even a small amount that gave Jones the very small victory.
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You're not listening. There are tons of exit polling data on what was important to voters. None of that says economy or healthcare.
EDIT: Here's an example... they asked a ton of people on both sides of the isle why they voted for who they did. Not one mention of jobs, healthcare, or the economy in anyone's rationale. There are many mentions of religion, abortion, character, and other factors. This election was won by white Republicans staying home (or switching sides) because they disliked Moore, and black Democrats coming out in force because they were motivated. It's really that simple.
Roy Moore or Doug Jones? Alabama voters explain who they picked
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Seems important. <a href="https://t.co/D1OV6A2sJP">https://t.co/D1OV6A2sJP</a> <a href="https://t.co/EnzsttFefw">pic.twitter.com/EnzsttFefw</a></p>— Charles C. W. Cooke (@charlescwcooke) <a href="https://twitter.com/charlescwcooke/status/941023339375624192?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 13, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Dan Johnson a Republican HoR from KY committed suicide tonight. He was recently accused of allegations he was a child molestor
Who could vote in Alabama
Who could vote in Alabama
As important - or more so - as who voted in Alabama's special election is who did not get to vote due to their Voter ID law. The ID law is the result of the Supreme Court's decision (5-4) in Shelby County v. Holder suspending the Voting Right's Act's Section 5’s preclearance requirement. Also a factor in who was able to vote was the state's Definition of Moral Turpitude Act. That is a new law passed by the state Legislature and signed by Gov. Kay Ivey in May, 2017, which defined which convictions that would bar felons from the right to vote.
In Alabama, an estimated 118,000 registered voters do not have a photo ID they can use to vote. Black and Latino voters are nearly twice as likely as white voters to lack such documentation.
In 2016 prior to the Presidential election, Alabama had disenfranchised 286,266 voters convicted of felonies. More than half of those disenfranchised felons are black.
As a result of the Definition of Moral Turpitude Act, thousands of felons regained their voting rights, though a judge ruled the state had no obligation to notify those whose voting rights had been restored. A number of groups made a push to inform felons who could now vote of their restored rights and to register them prior to this special election.
Also, in Alabama as in eight other states from Nevada to Tennessee, anyone who has lost the franchise to vote cannot regain it until they pay off any outstanding court fines, legal fees and victim restitution. Thousands of people are unable to vote because they do not have enough money to pay those costs - unlike in forty-one states.
So, in a race in which Jones won by 20,000 votes over Moore with such a large turnout for this type of election, in addition to noting who did not choose to vote, it is also worth noting who could not vote and how that would have affected the results.
Who could vote in Alabama
As important - or more so - as who voted in Alabama's special election is who did not get to vote due to their Voter ID law. The ID law is the result of the Supreme Court's decision (5-4) in Shelby County v. Holder suspending the Voting Right's Act's Section 5’s preclearance requirement. Also a factor in who was able to vote was the state's Definition of Moral Turpitude Act. That is a new law passed by the state Legislature and signed by Gov. Kay Ivey in May, 2017, which defined which convictions that would bar felons from the right to vote.
In Alabama, an estimated 118,000 registered voters do not have a photo ID they can use to vote. Black and Latino voters are nearly twice as likely as white voters to lack such documentation.
In 2016 prior to the Presidential election, Alabama had disenfranchised 286,266 voters convicted of felonies. More than half of those disenfranchised felons are black.
As a result of the Definition of Moral Turpitude Act, thousands of felons regained their voting rights, though a judge ruled the state had no obligation to notify those whose voting rights had been restored. A number of groups made a push to inform felons who could now vote of their restored rights and to register them prior to this special election.
Also, in Alabama as in eight other states from Nevada to Tennessee, anyone who has lost the franchise to vote cannot regain it until they pay off any outstanding court fines, legal fees and victim restitution. Thousands of people are unable to vote because they do not have enough money to pay those costs - unlike in forty-one states.
So, in a race in which Jones won by 20,000 votes over Moore with such a large turnout for this type of election, in addition to noting who did not choose to vote, it is also worth noting who could not vote and how that would have affected the results.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We’ve uncovered 2 million fake <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/netneutrality?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#netneutrality</a> comments using the stolen identities of people across the country. This should raise alarm bells for every American. We need to delay the <a href="https://twitter.com/FCC?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@FCC</a>'s vote now. <a href="https://t.co/PbBWDoLmXh">https://t.co/PbBWDoLmXh</a></p>— Eric Schneiderman (@AGSchneiderman) <a href="https://twitter.com/AGSchneiderman/status/941070886077071360?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 13, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Anyone been reading up on this? Stolen American identities being used to post fake comments on the FCC website promoting dismantling of Net Neutrality.
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Anyone been reading up on this? Stolen American identities being used to post fake comments on the FCC website promoting dismantling of Net Neutrality.