Politics

[ACamp1900]

Who cares if people get beheaded... Our President takes selfies....

 

[phgreek]

The difference with Marie Harp and most of the rest of us is the fact that she is currently one of the many representatives of a severly misguided belief that we are in fact not at war with terrorists who's very identity is founded in... dare I say... Islamic fundamentalism. Her views about economic conditions and lack of jobs leading people to terrorism was so far off base that either she is not as educated about who and what drives terrorism or she is stuck in this cesspool of Obamanism to the point that her mind is conditioned to believe such nonsense. Either way... I would hope that most of us are quite the opposite of her.

As far as Williamson's claim, while there is truth in some of what he states, it's also not as simple as his claims. While most of us want to be able to afford a better life for ourselves and our children, lost in his essay is the fact that the overwhelming majority of us value human life, helping our neighbors in times of need, and showing compassion and benevelance when called upon to do so. So... there is a huge difference between being stuck where he appears to believe we are and the life the rest of us try to lead. Where there is people, there will always be corruption. Where there is society, there will always be haves and have nots. It is up to the individual person to decide what really drives them in life. And with that, I still hold hope that in our country that drive leads us to help our fellow man above all else.

I mean what she says makes sense on the surface, but if you look at those who carried out 911...the air gets let out of that little logic balloon pretty quickly. What you'll find is the most dangerous of fundamentalists are those with the education and LEISURE to perpetrate and perpetuate the rhetoric...to contemplate, fund, and execute plans. The guy that has to hustle just to eat...he has no time for such things. some will though, become a soldier when things get to the point of ISIS...by and large though, the people she references in her "Jobs vs Jihad" spiel are among the VICTIMS not the perpetrators.

 

[woolybug25]

Yea...I'm sure I skimmed it pretty quickly...missed it. Typically party affiliation is as much a story as the story, so its in the headline or first sentence...SOANDSO (D), Governor, Oregon [fill in chicanery]. That one, not so much...odd.

Let's see if you can put your money where your mouth is... looks like everyone's conservative buddy O'Reilly may have made similar false claims as Brian Williams. The Right jumped all over Williams (deservingly so) but lets see the conservative reaction when its one of their own...

Corn and Schulman's report detailed several times when O'Reilly said that he had spent time in a "war zone" while covering the Falklands conflict as a reporter for CBS News.
The problem, as CBS News's chief Washington correspondent Bob Schieffer explained to Mother Jones, is that the only "war zone" was in and around the islands, and "nobody from CBS got to the Falklands."

Bill O'Reilly's 'war zone' stories questioned - Feb. 20, 2015

 

[Corry]

Bill O'Reilly's 'war zone' stories questioned - Feb. 20, 2015

Mother Jones is about as left leaning as it gets, if they remain the only source martial I don't see this having any legs. That being said if other news outlets bring new information or confirm this story, and not just report on it, look out.

 

[woolybug25]

Mother Jones is about as left leaning as it gets, if they remain the only source martial I don't see this having any legs. That being said if other news outlets bring new information or confirm this story, and not just report on it, look out.

It was reported to Mother Jones from CBS. It's not being broke by Mother Jones, it's getting broke by CBS.

 

[pumpdog20]

Let's see if you can put your money where your mouth is... looks like everyone's conservative buddy O'Reilly may have made similar false claims as Brian Williams. The Right jumped all over Williams (deservingly so) but lets see the conservative reaction when its one of their own...



Bill O'Reilly's 'war zone' stories questioned - Feb. 20, 2015

O'Reilly sucks, what's your point? If he made up some story to look like a hero, he can go like Williams did.

 

[RDU Irish]

O'Reilly is a pompous windbag. He is about as "conservative" as McCain.

 

[woolybug25]

O'Reilly sucks, what's your point? If he made up some story to look like a hero, he can go like Williams did.

If you read my post, then you should know. lol

phreek's point above was that liberal's don't get the same treatment in media as conservatives. That when any news about conservatives come out, the first thing they talk about is that they are a republican.

My point was that, if true, O'Reilly did the same thing as Williams, but it's not nearly the story. My question was whether O'Reilly will receive the same vitrol that conservatives served Brian Williams if the story is verified as accurate?

 

[Irish#1]

This looks like it might turn out to be similar to when O'Leary was caught embellishing his resume. Once that news leaked, a lot of other coaches came under scrutiny and were questioned.

 

[Wild Bill]

O'Reilly is a pompous windbag. He is about as "conservative" as McCain.

^^^

And he's a political commentator, not a journalist. Does anyone trust political commentators? Journalists must be trusted and should be held to a higher standard.

 

[RDU Irish]

When he heckles Stossel as some type of fringe nut it makes me want to choke him. He also reverts to just as much social commentary as political whenever out of the election cycle. Just find his know-it-all attitude obnoxious, especially when he (rarely) discusses anything remotely economic.

 

[DonnieNarco]

People watch NBC Nightly News to be informed. People watch O'Reilly to hear someone yell at liberals.

 

[GoIrish41]

I mean what she says makes sense on the surface, but if you look at those who carried out 911...the air gets let out of that little logic balloon pretty quickly. What you'll find is the most dangerous of fundamentalists are those with the education and LEISURE to perpetrate and perpetuate the rhetoric...to contemplate, fund, and execute plans. The guy that has to hustle just to eat...he has no time for such things. some will though, become a soldier when things get to the point of ISIS...by and large though, the people she references in her "Jobs vs Jihad" spiel are among the VICTIMS not the perpetrators.

Seems like her point is that the pool of people that groups like ISIS recruit from are those that are struggeling to survive and bitter because of it. These groups provide an outlet for some to do something about their anger toward their circumstances. If those circumstances were different, the cycle is broken. She is right to a point. She may have gone too far in trying to come up with examples, but I think her point is valid.

 

[phgreek]

People watch NBC Nightly News to be Mis-informed. People watch O'Reilly to hear someone yell at liberals.

....fixed it. NBC news...Really?

 

[phgreek]

Let's see if you can put your money where your mouth is... looks like everyone's conservative buddy O'Reilly may have made similar false claims as Brian Williams. The Right jumped all over Williams (deservingly so) but lets see the conservative reaction when its one of their own...



Bill O'Reilly's 'war zone' stories questioned - Feb. 20, 2015

OK...He can go too...I really don't care...talking heads are about like politicians to me...eff 'em all, and start over.

 

[ACamp1900]

....fixed it. NBC news...Really?

Exactly... My mind melts over the idea that peps actually think they are getting news from nbc... At least those that watch fox are open and honest about the bias

 

[phgreek]

If you read my post, then you should know. lol

phreek's point above was that liberal's don't get the same treatment in media as conservatives. That when any news about conservatives come out, the first thing they talk about is that they are a republican.

My point was that, if true, O'Reilly did the same thing as Williams, but it's not nearly the story. My question was whether O'Reilly will receive the same vitrol that conservatives served Brian Williams if the story is verified as accurate?

While I agree with "liberal's don't get the same treatment in media"...wasn't my point here. The flavor of the politician is as big a story as the story...when its missing, its weird. If it is missing because of libby bias, well thats bullshit, and that should bug the hell out of people.

 

[Corry]

It was reported to Mother Jones from CBS. It's not being broke by Mother Jones, it's getting broke by CBS.

My apologies, I was under the impression Mother Jones broke the story.

 

[phgreek]

...And by the way, in the interest of apples and oranges, dogs and cats, etc. retaining their identities....If you think Brian Williams role = Bill O'reilly's role...well thats telling.

One is largely OPINION/Editorial content...the Other is SUPPOSED TO BE NEWS and not someone's opinion about the news. Comparing them is really not supposed to be reasonable...

...both should be credible, but they do not fulfill the same role...comparing them seems a reach...or it should.

 

[Corry]

Exactly... My mind melts over the idea that peps actually think they are getting news from nbc... At least those that watch fox are open and honest about the bias

I think you're confusing NBC with MSNBC. I find NBC, CBS, and ABC nightly news to be about as close to the middle of the road as you can get.

 

[ACamp1900]

No confusion, there is no middle of the road anymore imo,...

 

[Grahambo]

I mean what she says makes sense on the surface, but if you look at those who carried out 911...the air gets let out of that little logic balloon pretty quickly. What you'll find is the most dangerous of fundamentalists are those with the education and LEISURE to perpetrate and perpetuate the rhetoric...to contemplate, fund, and execute plans. The guy that has to hustle just to eat...he has no time for such things. some will though, become a soldier when things get to the point of ISIS...by and large though, the people she references in her "Jobs vs Jihad" spiel are among the VICTIMS not the perpetrators.

I know I'm late to this but no, terrorism has nothing to do with a lack of jobs. Her comments were so far removed from reality, it was kind of embarrassing. I read the raw data everyday and not one single time was jobs mentioned. They don't join ISIS because they can't get a job. In fact, a lot of these guys are quite wealthy and well educated. Of course not every single one of them is wealthy or educated but jobs is not the reason, not even close. A lot of them are/were members of other terrorist groups who wanted to join up with the 'popular' kids.

CNN interviewed a Muslim leader this morning and he even said jobs are not the reason. And not sure about your last sentence but not a single soul that belongs to ISIS (or any of the other hundreds of groups) are victims.

 

[Grahambo]

I think you're confusing NBC with MSNBC. I find NBC, CBS, and ABC nightly news to be about as close to the middle of the road as you can get.

I shouldn't need the nightly news to be middle of the road, I just need them to deliver the news which should know no road. Just be news. That's it.

 

[phgreek]

I know I'm late to this but no, terrorism has nothing to do with a lack of jobs. Her comments were so far removed from reality, it was kind of embarrassing. I read the raw data everyday and not one single time was jobs mentioned. They don't join ISIS because they can't get a job. In fact, a lot of these guys are quite wealthy and well educated. Of course not every single one of them is wealthy or educated but jobs is not the reason, not even close. A lot of them are/were members of other terrorist groups who wanted to join up with the 'popular' kids.

CNN interviewed a Muslim leader this morning and he even said jobs are not the reason. And not sure about your last sentence but not a single soul that belongs to ISIS (or any of the other hundreds of groups) are victims.

no...the "jobless poor" are ,more often, the victim of ISIS than its members...that was what I was saying

Like I said...I can see where poor people are disillusioned, and can be more easily manipulated into a "solution" like joining ISIS...But I don't see that being largely representative of reality...

As my business partner once said...there are things that sound good when you say them real fast...Ms. Harf's comments seem to fit that charcaterization

 

[phgreek]

I shouldn't need the nightly news to be middle of the road, I just need them to deliver the news which should know no road. Just be news. That's it.

Yes...

news should = facts

Talking head commentary = entertainment

 

[Bluto]

If you read my post, then you should know. lol

phreek's point above was that liberal's don't get the same treatment in media as conservatives. That when any news about conservatives come out, the first thing they talk about is that they are a republican.

My point was that, if true, O'Reilly did the same thing as Williams, but it's not nearly the story. My question was whether O'Reilly will receive the same vitrol that conservatives served Brian Williams if the story is verified as accurate?

Thank you. On top of that if any of you all took the time to actually read Mother Jones you might discover that it is a legit source ie one that references other verifiable sources.

 

[Buster Bluth]

I shouldn't need the nightly news to be middle of the road, I just need them to deliver the news which should know no road. Just be news. That's it.

PBS NewsHour. I watch it almost every day. They stream on YouTube and post their full episode daily.

 

[BobD]

Rudy Giuliani is a tool

 

[Cackalacky]

The Islamic State threatens to come to Rome; Italians respond with travel advice - The Washington Post
the responses to the hashtag are pretty good.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

Rudy Giuliani is a tool

Rudy's 1st wife was his 2nd cousin.