Politics

[wizards8507]

I don't think that John McCain has met a country that he didn't want to bomb.

I really hope the "cowboy conservative" is a thing of the past and the Rand Paul libertarian strain takes root. There's a lot of hypocrisy on the Right when they talk about small government on the tax and spend side but big government when it comes to social regulation and the military industrial complex. Agree with him or not, at least Rand Paul leaves room for intellectual consistency.

 

[GoldenDomer]

I don't think that John McCain has met a country that he didn't want to bomb.

Dude is nuts. I chose not to vote in the 2008 presidential election, I couldnt vote for either candidate.

 

[GoIrish41]

One might imagine a Democratic senate that always claims to support "the little guy", "minorities", and "diversity" would have more minorities (one Hispanic and zero blacks) and fewer old white men. I would think the party would want more minorities in such prestige, national positions.

The Tea Party is more racially diverse than the Senate Democrats, so from my viewpoint the narrative of the racist Tea Party is a joke.

If Corey Booker is not black someone really should let him know. And if Mazie Hirono is an old white man, her husband ought to be informed of this fact ASAP.

Even with the low percentage of minority Senate Democrats, the they represent over 5% minorities. The tea party isn't anywhere close to a makeup of 5 percent minorities. You are kidding yourself if you believe that. I looked at their website a few minutes ago and in their photo gallery, and in all the pictures I counted 4 black people in all of them combined -- and that includes crowd shots. Four ... in the photo gallery ... on their own website ... the party who hates being signled out for not being inclusive to minorities ... FOUR. They are who they are -- a party almost exclusively made up of white people. You can search photos of them and play Where's Waldo to find one out of ever 3000 people might have a dark complexion, but they are nearly exclusively caucasion. People may not be politically savvy, but they certainly notice stuff like that. I'm not saying they are racists, I'm just saying they have that working against them on the inclusion front.

 

[Redbar]

Jeb's argument to me read that the racist Tea Party rose due to the country's first half black president being elected. I countered with the fact that the Tea Party stands for "Taxed Enough Already" and had more to do with fiscal conservatives fed up with establishment Republicans and Democrats with their spending. They also want a constitutional government (TARP, stimulus, obamacare, etc).

You guys crack me up and some still can't wrap their heads around this: I am not anti immigration, and neither is the Tea Party. We are anti ILLEGAL immigration. Big difference, yet on this forum somehow impossible for some to understand. Look at GoIrish41's posts from yesterday and you'll see the same.

I think the Tea Party arose because big money interests like the Koch brothers and Sheldon Adelson, who thought they had just about gotten things to where they could buy most elections were caught off guard and scared shitless by the new grass roots type campaigning and fund raising that the internet and social media provided, and that was captured by Obama in the first election. For a moment, it looked like the people might actually be able to claim their democracy. So they figured they needed to fund a right wing grass roots movement and hide amongst some people. IMO It was largely in response to the unforeseen groundswell that arose around Obama in 2008. The fact that he is half black with a funny name was not the primary reason but it didn't hurt.
The fact that some candidates began to push back against Grover Nordquist and his contract for America, provided some ideology, and sure these big money interests hate taxes at least as much as the next guy, but it had more to do with power and maintaining it. If people are mad at Big Business, big monopolies, and big influence by big money. Then dress your ideology up in a Joe the Plumber costume or by a ranch in Crawford, TX, and pretend to be a salt of the earth plumber or a cowboy for a while (we've seen this play before). The Tea Party funders can go back to passing the Grey Poupon after this democracy, power to the people, craze blows over.

I would agree, however, that Ron Paul (the libertarian, not the Tea Party) has been very consistent in his philosophy about governing. I believe he sincerely wants to address the issues facing the country.

 

[pkt77242]

Enjoy especially once it turns to the John McCain part.

 

[connor_in]

 

[EddytoNow]

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Our PRIVATE SECTOR made us the richest nation in the world. Our government is beyond broke and getting more broke every day. We already have 12 million illegal immigrants here. We can not afford this invasion, nor are we obliged to morally or legally.

Again I ask...where do the parents of children in Chicago or South Central LA send their kids?

Our private sector accumulated their wealth at the expense of the defenseless, the less fortunate, and the impoverished. Land was taken from the Native Americans. Ranchers and large farmers became wealthy off Native American land. Gold and uranium continue to be mined from land taken from Native Americans despite treaties that were supposed to protect the land. The railroads were built on the backs of immigrants (Chinese and Irish), who died by the thousands constructing the railroads under harsh conditions. The Mississippi Valley was cultivated on the backs of slave labor (primarily black), who died fighting malaria and other diseases prevalent in the humid, hot south. The wealth of the anti-bellum south was accumulated on the backs of black slaves kidnapped from their native homeland in Africa. The coal mine operators of Appalachia accumulated their wealth through land swindles that robbed local land-owners of their mineral rights and left a waste land in its place. The mines themselves were mined by immigrants (Welsh, Italian, Irish) and former slaves. The miners labored far underground in unsafe working conditions, so the wealth could be accumulated by the few in the private sector. The industrial revolution was built upon the backs of both immigrant and child labor. These practices continue today where the agricultural industry is heavily dependent upon the immigrants from Mexico and Central America. The private sector has even become too lazy to prepare their own own food, clean their own homes, wash their own clothes, and care for their own children. Instead, the private sector is content to take advantage of the less fortunate by paying wages below the poverty level and resisting any effort to share the accumulated wealth of this nation with the less fortunate.

As to where do the parents in LA and Chicago send their children? Since the private sector sits on their wealth and offers no jobs and no hope for the children of the impoverished, the children will end up unemployed, on welfare, and in the streets. It's no surprise that the impoverished, both immigrant and citizen, seek a better life for their own children. It's a moral tragedy, that so few seem to care.

 

[Wild Bill]

Our private sector accumulated their wealth at the expense of the defenseless, the less fortunate, and the impoverished.

For sure. I remember the first time someone put a gun to my head and forced me to buy a good or service. It was awful.

Tell me, how's your 401k lookin'?

 

[GoIrish41]

Our private sector accumulated their wealth at the expense of the defenseless, the less fortunate, and the impoverished. Land was taken from the Native Americans. Ranchers and large farmers became wealthy off Native American land. Gold and uranium continue to be mined from land taken from Native Americans despite treaties that were supposed to protect the land. The railroads were built on the backs of immigrants (Chinese and Irish), who died by the thousands constructing the railroads under harsh conditions. The Mississippi Valley was cultivated on the backs of slave labor (primarily black), who died fighting malaria and other diseases prevalent in the humid, hot south. The wealth of the anti-bellum south was accumulated on the backs of black slaves kidnapped from their native homeland in Africa. The coal mine operators of Appalachia accumulated their wealth through land swindles that robbed local land-owners of their mineral rights and left a waste land in its place. The mines themselves were mined by immigrants (Welsh, Italian, Irish) and former slaves. The miners labored far underground in unsafe working conditions, so the wealth could be accumulated by the few in the private sector. The industrial revolution was built upon the backs of both immigrant and child labor. These practices continue today where the agricultural industry is heavily dependent upon the immigrants from Mexico and Central America. The private sector has even become too lazy to prepare their own own food, clean their own homes, wash their own clothes, and care for their own children. Instead, the private sector is content to take advantage of the less fortunate by paying wages below the poverty level and resisting any effort to share the accumulated wealth of this nation with the less fortunate.

As to where do the parents in LA and Chicago send their children? Since the private sector sits on their wealth and offers no jobs and no hope for the children of the impoverished, the children will end up unemployed, on welfare, and in the streets. It's no surprise that the impoverished, both immigrant and citizen, seek a better life for their own children. It's a moral tragedy, that so few seem to care.

Excellent post

 

[GoldenDomer]

lmfao

 

[pkt77242]

For sure. I remember the first time someone put a gun to my head and forced me to buy a good or service. It was awful.

Tell me, how's your 401k lookin'?

What does that have to do with his post?

 

[GoldenDomer]

I was praying some of these posts were sarcasm... guess not...

 

[ACamp1900]

I was praying some of these posts were sarcasm... guess not...

me too...

 

[GoldenDomer]

me too...

Love the avatar. Fuck the huns.

 

[Wild Bill]

Our private sector accumulated their wealth at the expense of the defenseless, the less fortunate, and the impoverished. Land was taken from the Native Americans. Ranchers and large farmers became wealthy off Native American land.
Gold and uranium continue to be mined from land taken from Native Americans despite treaties that were supposed to protect the land. The railroads were built on the backs of immigrants (Chinese and Irish), who died by the thousands constructing the railroads under harsh conditions. The Mississippi Valley was cultivated on the backs of slave labor (primarily black), who died fighting malaria and other diseases prevalent in the humid, hot south. The wealth of the anti-bellum south was accumulated on the backs of black slaves kidnapped from their native homeland in Africa. The coal mine operators of Appalachia accumulated their wealth through land swindles that robbed local land-owners of their mineral rights and left a waste land in its place. The mines themselves were mined by immigrants (Welsh, Italian, Irish) and former slaves. The miners labored far underground in unsafe working conditions, so the wealth could be accumulated by the few in the private sector. The industrial revolution was built upon the backs of both immigrant and child labor. These practices continue today where the agricultural industry is heavily dependent upon the immigrants from Mexico and Central America. The private sector has even become too lazy to prepare their own own food, clean their own homes, wash their own clothes, and care for their own children. Instead, the private sector is content to take advantage of the less fortunate by paying wages below the poverty level and resisting any effort to share the accumulated wealth of this nation with the less fortunate.

If this country is as awful as you describe and provides such little hope for the poor, why are these people risking their lives to come here in droves? Why are they willing to send their children across Mexico without adult supervision to get here?

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

I was praying some of these posts were sarcasm... guess not...

Jesus isnt answering prayers right now

He is getting ready for the All Star game

 

[Wild Bill]

What does that have to do with his post?

The private sector does not take anything from anyone. They accumulate wealth by producing goods or services. Transactions are voluntary and involve no coercion.

 

[wizards8507]

The private sector does not take anything from anyone. They accumulate wealth by producing goods or services. Transactions are voluntary and involve no coercion.

...except for health insurance, which you are forced to purchase by force of law.

 

[GoIrish41]

If this country is as awful as you describe and provides such little hope for the poor, why are these people risking their lives to come here in droves? Why are they willing to send their children across Mexico without adult supervision to get here?

So they don't get murdered.

 

[Wild Bill]

So they don't get murdered.

That's a good reason. The real reason is to escape poverty.

 

[enrico514]

If this country is as awful as you describe and provides such little hope for the poor, why are these people risking their lives to come here in droves? Why are they willing to send their children across Mexico without adult supervision to get here?

Because you are comparing yourself to Mexico... way to set the bar low...

 

[GoIrish41]

That's a good reason. The real reason is to escape poverty.

Check out the murder rate there. They have always been poor.

 

[Wild Bill]

Because you are comparing yourself to Mexico... way to set the bar low...

I'm not setting a bar, and my statement wasn't limited to Mexicans. Europeans, Africans, Asians, etc. all come here to earn a better life. They come here b/c they know it's relatively easy to escape poverty.

 

[GoldenDomer]

Is there a way to hide a thread so I'm not tempted to read the garbage being spewed out by the bleeding heart liberals who feel the need to recite the same narrative that's been repeated time and time again?

But before I go, I must ask, has it dawned on you that the ancestors of poor Irish immigrants like myself who you point out died building some of these countries greatest advancements, feel pride that the blood of their kin was spilled in order to make this country the most cherished on earth? Those immigrants took those jobs and minimal pay because it was better than anything they could get back in their home countries. They were glad to do the work, that is why they were disenfranchised by the Americans of British or other decent that had been here for ages. People come to America for one reason, to better themselves, and to give their future descendants a better life. They dont come, say "Oh no what did I get myself into, this is really tough, I'm going back home where things are easier."

I request the apologists take their argument and shove it, because all you are doing is a disservice to those people who died making this country great. Instead, get the candy ass attitude out of here, and appreciate the bravery that those people displayed, instead of coming to me looking for an apology because your spineless high school history teacher told you I owed you one.

As I said, they didn't want apologies. They wanted a better life for you than they got. That has happened 100 fold.

God Bless America.

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

Is there a way to hide a thread so I'm not tempted to read the garbage being spewed out by the bleeding heart liberals who feel the need to recite the same narrative that's been repeated time and time again?

But before I go, I must ask, has it dawned on you that the ancestors of poor Irish immigrants like myself who you point out died building some of these countries greatest advancements, feel pride that the blood of their kin was spilled in order to make this country the most cherished on earth? Those immigrants took those jobs and minimal pay because it was better than anything they could get back in their home countries. They were glad to do the work, that is why they were disenfranchised by the Americans of British or other decent that had been here for ages. People come to America for one reason, to better themselves, and to give their future descendants a better life. They dont come, say "Oh no what did I get myself into, this is really tough, I'm going back home where things are easier."

I request the apologists take their argument and shove it up their ass, because all you are doing is a disservice to those people who died making this country great. Instead, get the candy ass attitude out of here, and appreciate the bravery that those people displayed, instead of coming to me looking for an apology because your spineless high school history teacher told you I owed you one.

As I said, they didn't want apologies. They wanted a better life for you than they got. That has happened 100 fold.

Fuck you.

God Bless America.

 

[NDRock]

Dude is nuts. I chose not to vote in the 2008 presidential election, I couldnt vote for either candidate.

Agree, not much of a choice in 08' but why don't you vote 3rd party? Nothing is going to change as long as the two headed monster is in charge. Maybe a viable 3rd party will make them get their shit together.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Our private sector accumulated their wealth at the expense of the defenseless, the less fortunate, and the impoverished. Land was taken from the Native Americans. Ranchers and large farmers became wealthy off Native American land. Gold and uranium continue to be mined from land taken from Native Americans despite treaties that were supposed to protect the land. The railroads were built on the backs of immigrants (Chinese and Irish), who died by the thousands constructing the railroads under harsh conditions. The Mississippi Valley was cultivated on the backs of slave labor (primarily black), who died fighting malaria and other diseases prevalent in the humid, hot south. The wealth of the anti-bellum south was accumulated on the backs of black slaves kidnapped from their native homeland in Africa. The coal mine operators of Appalachia accumulated their wealth through land swindles that robbed local land-owners of their mineral rights and left a waste land in its place. The mines themselves were mined by immigrants (Welsh, Italian, Irish) and former slaves. The miners labored far underground in unsafe working conditions, so the wealth could be accumulated by the few in the private sector. The industrial revolution was built upon the backs of both immigrant and child labor. These practices continue today where the agricultural industry is heavily dependent upon the immigrants from Mexico and Central America. The private sector has even become too lazy to prepare their own own food, clean their own homes, wash their own clothes, and care for their own children. Instead, the private sector is content to take advantage of the less fortunate by paying wages below the poverty level and resisting any effort to share the accumulated wealth of this nation with the less fortunate.

As to where do the parents in LA and Chicago send their children? Since the private sector sits on their wealth and offers no jobs and no hope for the children of the impoverished, the children will end up unemployed, on welfare, and in the streets. It's no surprise that the impoverished, both immigrant and citizen, seek a better life for their own children. It's a moral tragedy, that so few seem to care.

Bahahahahahaha. Oh this is brilliant. I have to ask: what do you do for work?

The US private sector, as Irish19 had to spell out for you, is 100% voluntary and requires zero coercion. The US private sector with limited gov and entrepreneurship created the most prosperous nation in history.

Think of the beauty of this situation: you are sitting at home on a tablet or laptop (private sector), having a political discussion on the Internet (private sector) with someone hundreds of miles away, on a Notre Dame football site(multi million dollar entity), crying about the US private sector. I love it!!

 

[GoldenDomer]

Agree, not much of a choice in 08' but why don't you vote 3rd party? Nothing is going to change as long as the two headed monster is in charge. Maybe a viable 3rd party will make them get their shit together.

How realistic is a 3rd party? The only 3rd party will be the new Republican party when that shit show goes down the tubes. I'm a Republican who is totally befuddled by our party leaderships ability to hold liars accountable.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

So they don't get murdered.

These people are not refugees being persecuted at home. They are trying to escape poverty. Guess what...so are millions of Americans. It's not accurate to paint the situation like the Kosovo crisis or Saddam gassing the Kurds. It's not.

 

[GoldenDomer]

Bahahahahahaha. Oh this is brilliant. I have to ask: what do you do for work?

The US private sector, as Irish19 had to spell out for you, is 100% voluntary and requires zero coercion. The US private sector with limited gov and entrepreneurship created the most prosperous nation in history.

Think of the beauty of this situation: you are sitting at home on a tablet or laptop (private sector), having a political discussion on the Internet (private sector) with someone hundreds of miles away, on a Notre Dame football site(multi million dollar entity), crying about the US private sector. I love it!!

Dont hurt his brain.