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    Votes: 172 48.9%

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connor_in said:
MSNBC’s Alternative Universe | National Review Online

Thought about starting a thread for this article by itself, but didn't want the 17 posts of "Really, another political thread?" This may get lost here but I wanted to post it and get your reactions.

Yes its from National Review online, but even if you are a D, I ask that you at least peruse it.

Some excerpts for those that won't click:
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I agree with the assessment that the current state of MSNBC seems to be to outdo Fox at their own game from the left. Funny thing, I used to watch MSNBC in the morning, my wife used to like Keith Olberman's show, and my mom & dad were fans of Chris Matthews. Then, it went off the rails hard and fast right after Tim Russert's death. The network seems to have a single-minded focus to provoke and anger right-leaning individuals. Do they know that they've lost conservative viewers with their hard left bank over the past several years? Do they even care? Or is MSNBC happy running at the back of the pack as a consequence of their leftist ideology?
 
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BobD said:
You randomly say meaningless stuff.
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You're dodging the issue because of how dumb you look in calling me a fear-mongering Republican three months ago on obamacare. You said alllll I was capable of was speculation, just guessing on what other people think might happen, that this was the right thing to do...and somewhere in there I was probably called racist, too, for opposing obamacare from Day 1.

1) Conservatives predicted this would hurt businesses and job creation. Listen to what CEO's and small businesses are saying, not Jay Carney. It has.

2) Conservatives predicted people would lose their health insurance because of this. It happened.

3) Conservatives said the costs would sky rocket like crazy. They have, even more than usual. And in some cases, they doubled. Now we're hearing "you can keep your doctor, if you're willing to pay for it."

4) Conservatives KNEW this disaster would create a doctor shortage. It's still too soon because this thing isn't fully in effect yet, but it will. Basic math tells us this is unavoidable. 70% of doctors polled in CA already admit they won't comply. And our imperial president can do nothing about that.

All this was true even before the botched rollout/ website mess that made the White House look more incompetent. And as we sit here today and you deny, downplay, play cute and silly with all this, you look even dumber than the White House.
 
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Polish Leppy 22 said:
You're dodging the issue because of how dumb you look in calling me a fear-mongering Republican three months ago on obamacare. You said alllll I was capable of was speculation, just guessing on what other people think might happen, that this was the right thing to do...and somewhere in there I was probably called racist, too, for opposing obamacare from Day 1.

1) Conservatives predicted this would hurt businesses and job creation. Listen to what CEO's and small businesses are saying, not Jay Carney. It has.

2) Conservatives predicted people would lose their health insurance because of this. It happened.

3) Conservatives said the costs would sky rocket like crazy. They have, even more than usual. And in some cases, they doubled. Now we're hearing "you can keep your doctor, if you're willing to pay for it."

4) Conservatives KNEW this disaster would create a doctor shortage. It's still too soon because this thing isn't fully in effect yet, but it will. Basic math tells us this is unavoidable. 70% of doctors polled in CA already admit they won't comply. And our imperial president can do nothing about that.

All this was true even before the botched rollout/ website mess that made the White House look more incompetent. And as we sit here today and you deny, downplay, play cute and silly with all this, you look even dumber than the White House.
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We're in the very beginning stages of a very long process. Nobody is sure of the outcome and won't be for quite some time. Stop being a puppet. You're attempting to claim vindication on something that is just getting started and the outcome hasn't been determined yet......who looks dumb? LOL
 
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BobD said:
We're in the very beginning stages of a very long process. Nobody is sure of the outcome and won't be for quite some time. Stop being a puppet. You're attempting to claim vindication on something that is just getting started and the outcome hasn't been determined yet......who looks dumb? LOL
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And you still haven't taken one point and proved me wrong. We're in the very beginning of a big $hitshow. Job creation will not improve because of ACA, costs will not go down because of ACA, and ACA sure as hell isn't going to solve the doctort shortage problem. This wasn't Republican fear-mongering. It was reality knocking at the door.

For one more year, people were "allowed" to keep their health care plan. November 2014 will be a repeat of November 2013, but with mid term elections. Nice.

What's this crap about a puppet? All you do is regurgitate crap from the White House, while others and I sit here, roll our eyes at your blind following of it, and correct you. You can deny, delay, poke fun all you want. ACA will fail and it won't be because of Republicans. ACA fails without the young, healthy people and they want no part of it. And Obama cannot force doctors to comply.
 
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Polish Leppy 22 said:
And you still haven't taken one point and proved me wrong. We're in the very beginning of a big $hitshow. Job creation will not improve because of ACA, costs will not go down because of ACA, and ACA sure as hell isn't going to solve the doctort shortage problem. This wasn't Republican fear-mongering. It was reality knocking at the door.

For one more year, people were "allowed" to keep their health care plan. November 2014 will be a repeat of November 2013, but with mid term elections. Nice.

What's this crap about a puppet? All you do is regurgitate crap from the White House, while others and I sit here, roll our eyes at your blind following of it, and correct you. You can deny, delay, poke fun all you want. ACA will fail and it won't be because of Republicans. ACA fails without the young, healthy people and they want no part of it. And Obama cannot force doctors to comply.
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Jesus Christ alright already! Are you a woman or are you just good at needling like one? Your opinion is here in writing for all to see, so someday we can come back to see who was wrong or right. Let it go dude......or dudette. Move on for awhile, there's a long way to go on this.
 
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BobD said:
Jesus Christ alright already! Are you a woman or are you just good at needling like one? Your opinion is here in writing for all to see, so someday we can come back to see who was wrong or right. Let it go dude......or dudette. Move on for awhile, there's a long way to go on this.
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Not opinions, facts. Proven facts that have already happened and can't be debated.

Listen pal, last year at this time I was on here eating crow because I was dead wrong on the 2012 football team's capability (NDFBfanatic, I think) and the 2012 election (GoIrish41). Are you not "dude" enough to do the same?
 
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Aint it the truth...???

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That’s me every time I go to the grocery store, just about everyone around me has two carts filled to the brim while I am lucky to afford 50 bucks worth… and I’m the only one paying cash…
 
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ACamp1900 said:
That’s me every time I go to the grocery store, just about everyone around me has two carts filled to the brim while I am lucky to afford 50 bucks worth… and I’m the only one paying cash…
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Cash? Do you still have a check book?
 
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Polish Leppy 22 said:
Budget deal cuts benefits to some vets: Heartless or painless? - CSMonitor.com

The only thing more disgusting than all the Sentate Dems who voted for this is the few Republicans who did. John McCain, please retire now. You're an embarrassment.
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There were more than a few Republicans who voted for it in the Senate. The vote wasn't really even close at 64-36. Looks like probably something like 20 percent or more of them voted "yea". Also, it passed in the House, where the GOP has a majority, by a vote of 332-94. While I'm all for kicking as many republicans out of both houses of Congress as possible, the GOP would have been foolish not to pass this budget and risking another government shutdown. The last one didn't work out so well for them.
 
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Polish Leppy 22 said:
Budget deal cuts benefits to some vets: Heartless or painless? - CSMonitor.com

The only thing more disgusting than all the Sentate Dems who voted for this is the few Republicans who did. John McCain, please retire now. You're an embarrassment.
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This does suck, but what I find more appalling is the lack of veterans that serve as our representation. I'm not exactly sure why that is, but I would like to see a major push from our veteran organizations to make a sweeping change.
 
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pumpdog20 said:
This does suck, but what I find more appalling is the lack of veterans that serve as our representation. I'm not exactly sure why that is, but I would like to see a major push from our veteran organizations to make a sweeping change.
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I don't know the numbers, but there are a fair amount of Congressional vets, from both sides of the aisle. I think the problem is that these guys don't rely on same safety net that regular vets and retired military do (e.g. veteran benefits, VA hospital treatment). As with so many other issues, the former military Congressmen eventually get too out of touch with the issue.
 
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GoIrish41 said:
There were more than a few Republicans who voted for it in the Senate. The vote wasn't really even close at 64-36. Looks like probably something like 20 percent or more of them voted "yea". Also, it passed in the House, where the GOP has a majority, by a vote of 332-94. While I'm all for kicking as many republicans out of both houses of Congress as possible, the GOP would have been foolish not to pass this budget and risking another government shutdown. The last one didn't work out so well for them.
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Sooo you despise the Republicans for passing it but giving a pass to the Dems?

And I disagree. The last shutdown was because of obamacare, a battle that could not be won. I supported Cruz for his principle, though. If true conservatives came out and said, "We will not sign this because it takes benefits away from our veterans", the shutdown would've been on the Dems this time.

"This is the best we could do" doesn't friggin cut it when we're talking about benefits for our veterans. Disgusting.
 
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Black Irish said:
I don't know the numbers, but there are a fair amount of Congressional vets, from both sides of the aisle. I think the problem is that these guys don't rely on same safety net that regular vets and retired military do (e.g. veteran benefits, VA hospital treatment). As with so many other issues, the former military Congressmen eventually get too out of touch with the issue.
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I guess we'll disagree on what a fair amount is. There's only 20% of congress who served right now.

https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42964.pdf
 
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pumpdog20 said:
I guess we'll disagree on what a fair amount is. There's only 20% of congress who served right now.

https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42964.pdf
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By comparison, about 13% of the total U.S. population has served according to Gallup. I don't think we are really disagreeing here. The point is that even with an above-average level of former military members in its ranks, Congress is not representing those who serve very well.
 
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Polish Leppy 22 said:
Sooo you despise the Republicans for passing it but giving a pass to the Dems?

And I disagree. The last shutdown was because of obamacare, a battle that could not be won. I supported Cruz for his principle, though. If true conservatives came out and said, "We will not sign this because it takes benefits away from our veterans", the shutdown would've been on the Dems this time.

"This is the best we could do" doesn't friggin cut it when we're talking about benefits for our veterans. Disgusting.
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Who said anything about despising Republicans ... or giving a pass to Democrats for that matter? Starting a fight you cannot win usually ends badly. Some would call it foolish. Cruz's "principle" was to get as much personal attention as possible so he could shoot for the GOP nomination for president in the next election. Blocking the budget deal when the entire country believes Congress is useless is equally as foolish, and those who voted against it would have a political price to pay. As to the veteran argument ... I am a veteran, and when I severed junior enlisted personnel were paid very little. The amount they are paid today is substantially higher. Their benefits have always been more then good. If the entire naiton is to share in the saccrifices required to get the country on firm fiscal footing, why would they not be included in that? It is not unpatriotic to suggest a lessening of the benefits. I don't think that people would blame lawmakers on either side for voting for this budget to avoid further damage to the economy. The Republicans who would have blocked its passage would have paid the price.
 
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