Politics

[Grahambo]

I would just like this solved because having to work and not getting paid is not fun.

 

[pkt77242]

Not exactly. The Tea Party people are for the principles espoused in the founding documents. So, they're not against government per se, just against government over-reach beyond its defined roles within said documents.

Additionally, to Buster, they're for individual rights, not for the corporatism. The corporate cronies that reside in both the D and R political party establishment dislikes this - for example, just look at their position on immigration - corporations want cheap labor even though there are plenty of people in the US that are out of work.

I laughed out loud. Where do you think all of the money flowing into the Tea Party comes from?

Also the idea that the people in the tea party care any more about the founding documents is based on what? That they say that they care more about it? If they gave a **** about the constitution (while not part of the original) they wouldn't be ****ing around with the debt ceiling. Look if you think the government is spending too much it should be handled with appropriations bills. Lets see what happened this past year. The House passed legislation and the Senate passed legislation. Democrats appointed people to the conference committee but Republicans refused too (and got called out by one of their own for not doing it) and purposefully took us to this point hoping that they would have more leverage and thus could extract more from the Democrats.

So my thoughts are raise the debt limit clean and pass a clean CR. Then go to a ****ing conference committee to combine the original House and Senate bills. It is what should have been done all along.

 

[BobD]

I would just like this solved because having to work and not getting paid is not fun.

it's strange that there are three groups of government workers, those NOT working, but will be paid, those working, but not being paid and those working and being paid.

I hope they resolve this soon and you're not impacted too much Grahambo.

 

[pkt77242]

WAAAAAAAA!!! Government has shut down!


Big Brother can't provide for the zero liablity voters!!!! WAAAAAA




Dude, how has this affected your life? Do you REALLY think the world is coming to an end?



Guess all those crazy preppers were on to something...LOL

Government shutdown, has not but if we default on our debt, then it will affect my life as well as many other people's. Social Security checks will come late, Military members will get their checks late, hospitals will have to wait for reimbursements, there will probably also be some mass furloughs at government contractors, not to mention that interest rates very well could skyrocket.

 

[GoIrish41]

Then they will lose the public. Nobody want's gun legislation. Wildly unpopular.

Then they will lose the next election cycle. That's how the system works. When you are in a minority, you don't get to call the shots. Because the far right doesn't understand that, we find ourselves in the position we are in with a million out of work and staring down default.

 

[NDohio]

I would just like this solved because having to work and not getting paid is not fun.

Thanks for what you do. Even in the face of this kind of crap - you are serving the people. I, for one, appreciate it.

Hope this situation ends soon for you.

 

[GoIrish41]

It is so nice to see that you are so concerned about the future of the republican party! I always love this whenever I see this kind of thing especially on a network like MSNBC. You have a group of D's sitting around sounding so concerned for the R's future. You would think they would be more like "you go for it guys...can't wait til the next election as we'll be in power for 1000 years! Later Suckers!"

I actually do care about the future of the republican party. I don't want the Dems to go too far left. If either side got EVERYTHING they wanted, the country would fail. Balance is required ... Compromise is required ... Common Sense is required.

 

[IrishLax]

Its not as if people don't want to work. They have been sent home. Those who are working for compensation to be named later are kinda taking it on the chin as well ... and they, too, are taxpayers. This whole shutdown is a huge joke.

Obviously? That's my whole point. This f*cking Congress and this "shut down" makes no sense.

I was talking to a friend who works at the DoJ on Saturday and he said the most absurd thing is that he is basically banned from even setting foot in his office. They wouldn't allow him to work even if he wanted to. Why? Why if he wants to work and he knows he's going to get paid is he not allowed to work? In what universe does that make any sense at all?

It's really one of the most @ss-backwards things I've ever seen. The solution to the budget being out of whack and a large debt... is to send people home, refuse to let them work, close all of the parks, events, and everything else (many of which MAKE money... at least the football got approved), don't pay them so there is an immediate tangible drag on the economy... and then cut a big fat check for all the lost man hours where no work was performed.

That's right... the solution to an unbalanced budget is to f*ck with your workforce, produce nothing, and then cut the normal check anyways. Shaking. My. Damn. Head. Only the US Government could come up with something like this. At least there was a small, tiny shred of logic to a "shut down" if you were cutting cost due to no operating budget. This isn't a "shut down"... this is forced vacation with deferred compensation, and everyone loses unless you're a non-essential employee with enough money in the bank that missed paychecks don't matter.

 

[GoIrish41]

Obviously? That's my whole point. This f*cking Congress and this "shut down" makes no sense.

I was talking to a friend who works at the DoJ on Saturday and he said the most absurd thing is that he is basically banned from even setting foot in his office. They wouldn't allow him to work even if he wanted to. Why? Why if he wants to work and he knows he's going to get paid is he not allowed to work? In what universe does that make any sense at all?

It's really one of the most @ss-backwards things I've ever seen. The solution to the budget being out of whack and a large debt... is to send people home, refuse to let them work, close all of the parks, events, and everything else (many of which MAKE money... at least the football got approved), don't pay them so there is an immediate tangible drag on the economy... and then cut a big fat check for all the lost man hours where no work was performed.

That's right... the solution to an unbalanced budget is to f*ck with your workforce, produce nothing, and then cut the normal check anyways. Shaking. My. Damn. Head. Only the US Government could come up with something like this. At least there was a small, tiny shred of logic to a "shut down" if you were cutting cost due to no operating budget. This isn't a "shut down"... this is forced vacation with deferred compensation, and everyone loses unless you're a non-essential employee with enough money in the bank that missed paychecks don't matter.

I agree with everything you said. I don't get your logic that the "government is idiotic, so everyone who works for the government must be an idiot" though. Government workers are being used as pawns in a stupid game.

 

[DSully1995]

Government shutdown, has not but if we default on our debt, then it will affect my life as well as many other people's. Social Security checks will come late, Military members will get their checks late, hospitals will have to wait for reimbursements, there will probably also be some mass furloughs at government contractors, not to mention that interest rates very well could skyrocket.

US gov takes in 250 bil in taxes and the interest payment is 20 bil .....

 

[IrishLax]

I agree with everything you said. I don't get your logic that the "government is idiotic, so everyone who works for the government must be an idiot" though. Government workers are being used as pawns in a stupid game.

No, I don't think everyone in the Government is an idiot. I hope that's not how this is coming across. I agree with what you're saying in this post to a letter.

I've got a lot of family members who directly for the Government. A lot of friends who work for the Government. It comes with living in the DC area... you're bound to know dozens of Government employees.

I do think some Government employees are lazy, entitled idiots. The stories you here from friends/family, first hand experiences from consulting work with the Government... there are a lot of bad apples, bureaucracy, inefficiency, and waste. It's impossible not to come to that conclusion. More than I see in the private sector. It really depends on the agency/office. Veteran Affairs is the worst collection of human beings I've ever worked with, and the VAMC is one of the primary reasons why although I support the idea of the ACA I worry about the Government's ability to run it effectively or make incremental improvements over time.

But that really has nothing to do with the shutdown. I put the shutdown squarely on Congress, which is a hopeless institution beyond repair. Ever since I took a class at ND called American Congress and learned how the sausage is made I switched my political leanings from blue to Libertarianish... I'd love a lot of social freedoms and liberal policies, with as large of a reduction in Government scope/control as possible (or at least a diffusion of powers back from the federal government to states as far as is practical). I simply do not trust elected federal officials in any branch to work in the overall best interest of the United States.

 

[irishpat183]

I would just like this solved because having to work and not getting paid is not fun.

WOAH! Screw that.


Why the hell do you have to show up?

 

[irishpat183]

Then they will lose the next election cycle. That's how the system works. When you are in a minority, you don't get to call the shots. Because the far right doesn't understand that, we find ourselves in the position we are in with a million out of work and staring down default.

Like the ACA in the first place??

 

[irishpat183]

I agree with everything you said. I don't get your logic that the "government is idiotic, so everyone who works for the government must be an idiot" though. Government workers are being used as pawns in a stupid game.

I think most of that is directed at Washington when people use those sayings....not real people.


Except at the DMV. LOL

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I simply do not trust elected federal officials in any branch to work in the overall best interest of the United States.

Nor should you. There's far too much power and money concentrated in D.C. Corruption and dysfunction are inevitable. Absent a radical devolution of power back to states and municipalities, the chances for meaningful reform are effectively nil.

 

[IrishLax]

WOAH! Screw that.


Why the hell do you have to show up?

Because Grahambo is the man. And essential.

 

[potownhero]

Exactly. 1700s here we come because everything was right in the world back then. What a joke.

Your strawman argument is the joke.

Such static thinking - because the principles set forth back then were so bad that they created the most technologically advanced and prosperous nation in the history of the world.

Only in your simple mind would one think that would be going back to the 1700's.

At least try to use your mind and think for yourself.

 

[chicago51]

Well the latest talking point I've heard is that breaching the debt ceiling isn't that big of a deal.

In the end I think they raise it even with mostly Democrat votes along with moderate Republicans. However I now think that default is actually possible this time around.

Personally I think the debt ceiling itself is unconstitutional based on the "full faith and credit clause" in the 14th amendment.

 

[potownhero]

I laughed out loud. Where do you think all of the money flowing into the Tea Party comes from?

Also the idea that the people in the tea party care any more about the founding documents is based on what? That they say that they care more about it? If they gave a **** about the constitution (while not part of the original) they wouldn't be ****ing around with the debt ceiling. Look if you think the government is spending too much it should be handled with appropriations bills. Lets see what happened this past year. The House passed legislation and the Senate passed legislation. Democrats appointed people to the conference committee but Republicans refused too (and got called out by one of their own for not doing it) and purposefully took us to this point hoping that they would have more leverage and thus could extract more from the Democrats.

So my thoughts are raise the debt limit clean and pass a clean CR. Then go to a ****ing conference committee to combine the original House and Senate bills. It is what should have been done all along.

Two things:
1 - You obviously don't know what you're talking about regarding any debt ceiling - founding documents connection. Enlighten me of the connection.

2. What does not passing appropriation bills have to do with the Tea Party? Nothing. Congress has been avoiding doing their job for many more years than the Tea Party has been around, so that dog don't bark.

And you should be on the same page that I'm on unless you're a hypocrite:

The point is that clean CR's for specific pieces of government have been passed by the house (in the same way that appropriation bills use to be passed - smaller and more specific instead of huge all encompassing CR's which hold the country hostage).

Here's a list of CR's that fund various aspects of the government. Why hasn't the Senate taken these up? Who's not funding the Government?

-Federal Emergency Management Agency Continuing Appropriations Resolution
-Food and Drug Administration Continuing Appropriations Resolution
-Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children Continuing Appropriations Resolution
-National Institutes of Health Continuing Appropriations Resolution
-Veterans Benefits Continuing Appropriations Resolution
-District of Columbia Continuing Appropriations Resolution
-National Park Service Operations, Smithsonian Institution, National Gallery of Art, and United States Holocaust Memorial Museum Continuing Appropriations Resolution

Now if you were an honest person, you would say, yeah, the House has passed CR's which in effect act in the same targeted way that appropriation bills use to. Why hasn't the Senate passed these?

If you are a complete Democratic party hack, you probably can't comprehend your inconsistencies and won't see the light.

 

[Grahambo]

WOAH! Screw that.


Why the hell do you have to show up?

You know the video that has been shown about the Capitol shooting from the other day? I'm in it and learned later on that we weren't being paid since Oct. 1. So, imagine doing what I did that day and not getting paid for it.

Now, technically, we will get back pay but if they throw it all onto one check, they will just tax more of it. Go figure.

It comes with the turf. It's my duty.

 

[connor_in]

Then they will lose the next election cycle. That's how the system works. When you are in a minority, you don't get to call the shots. Because the far right doesn't understand that, we find ourselves in the position we are in with a million out of work and staring down default.

Here's the thing...in the House, they are not the minority and thus they get to call the shots.

PS How can we possibly have a million out of work? We are in the third or fourth year of the Obama recovery we keep hearing so much about.

Quick question...do you agree with President Obama or Senator Obama when it comes to raising the debt ceiling?

 

[95NDAlumNM]

Your strawman argument is the joke.

Such static thinking - because the principles set forth back then were so bad that they created the most technologically advanced and prosperous nation in the history of the world.

Only in your simple mind would one think that would be going back to the 1700's.

At least try to use your mind and think for yourself.

You are a moron. What community college did you graduate from.

 

[pkt77242]

Two things:
1 - You obviously don't know what you're talking about regarding any debt ceiling - founding documents connection. Enlighten me of the connection. 2. What does not passing appropriation bills have to do with the Tea Party? Nothing. Congress has been avoiding doing their job for many more years than the Tea Party has been around, so that dog don't bark.

And you should be on the same page that I'm on unless you're a hypocrite:

The point is that clean CR's for specific pieces of government have been passed by the house (in the same way that appropriation bills use to be passed - smaller and more specific instead of huge all encompassing CR's which hold the country hostage).

Here's a list of CR's that fund various aspects of the government. Why hasn't the Senate taken these up? Who's not funding the Government?

-Federal Emergency Management Agency Continuing Appropriations Resolution
-Food and Drug Administration Continuing Appropriations Resolution
-Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children Continuing Appropriations Resolution
-National Institutes of Health Continuing Appropriations Resolution
-Veterans Benefits Continuing Appropriations Resolution
-District of Columbia Continuing Appropriations Resolution
-National Park Service Operations, Smithsonian Institution, National Gallery of Art, and United States Holocaust Memorial Museum Continuing Appropriations Resolution

Now if you were an honest person, you would say, yeah, the House has passed CR's which in effect act in the same targeted way that appropriation bills use to. Why hasn't the Senate passed these?

If you are a complete Democratic party hack, you probably can't comprehend your inconsistencies and won't see the light.

Not the founding documents, but it is the 14th amendment. It should be damn important to the Tea Party people as it is part of the constitution even if it was added later.

The House is responsible because they refused to appoint people to the conference committee when both the House and Senate passed budgets. If you were an honest person instead of a Republican hack you could see that. The Republicans purposefully drove us to this point thinking it would give them leverage. If you can't see that then you need to open your eyes. Sorry. Democrats agreed to pass a clean CR at the funding levels that Republicans wanted (Reid and Boehner had an agreement) and then Boehner backed out. Sorry they can pass all the small CRs they want but we are here because they refused to appoint people to the conference committee, then demanded that defunding Obamacare be a part of any CR, and now are bitching that Democrats wouldn't budge. Sorry to point out the facts.

While I vote democrat it is more because of social issues then fiscal issues. I think lowering the debt is important (I think a balanced budget amendment however is crazy). I really liked the original idea of a grand bargain with $3 in spending cuts for every $1 increase in taxes. I believe that we have to do something about Social Security and Medicare, but having said that, do it under normal circumstances not by trying to take the government hostage and then pretend like you are being the reasonable one.

 

[Circa]

Republican's allowing another Clinton in the big house hour by hour... Just watch Hannity! What a joke and I am embarrassed for you Republicans! Better go the Tea Party route you'll look better after this fiasco!!

 

[wizards8507]

I respect your service but that's not how taxes work. You might have more withheld from that check but it'll wash out in your refund.

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[connor_in]

Republican's allowing another Clinton in the big house hour by hour... Just watch Hannity! What a joke and I am embarrassed for you Republicans! Better go the Tea Party route you'll look better after this fiasco!!

Don't really understand the whole another Clinton in jail reference ...

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Then they will lose the public. Nobody want's gun legislation. Wildly unpopular.

Guns

Yes nobody "want's" it.

 

[Grahambo]

I respect your service but that's not how taxes work. You might have more withheld from that check but it'll wash out in your refund.

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I assume this is to me. The point for us is that we have bills and such we pay regularly and with more being withheld now it does us no favors in terms of paying bills, taking care of personal situations, etc. If we were paid normally, then it wouldn't be an issue.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

You are a moron. What community college did you graduate from.

Not sure about him but I graduated from the Catholic grade school where you put question marks at the end of interrogative sentences.

 

[95NDAlumNM]

Not sure about him but I graduated from the Catholic grade school where you put question marks at the end of interrogative sentences.

It was not a question. I do not give a rats a** where the moron graduated from.