Politics

[Who'saWildManNow]

I get attacked for my comment that I stole from CNN about woman, but liberals don't get called out for calling a military veteran who represented our country honorably "certifiably insane."

You said you "basically" quoted it.. I'm pretty sure CNN did not say what you wrote.

 

[BobD]

Is it safe for me to go to bed now?

Have you brushed your teeth (or put them away?) and said your prayers?

 

[North Buffalo Irish]

Bullsh!t, this race was LOST on the backs of a right wing agenda that continues to move further from MAINSTREAM America (which is still predominantly white) and closer to some of the religious fanaticism we see in other parts of the world. The Republican primaries make it almost impossible to pivot back to normalcy.

Ideological nonsense. Slightly less than half the country didn't vote for your guy.

 

[Buster Bluth]

This is still a 48/48 country.

I think this is a 35/30/35 country.

Romney ran a poor campaign outside of the first debate. A better candidate with a more polished and complete campaign would have wiped the floor with Obama.

I disagree with this.

f Romney's campaign had ran effectively after picking up momentum after the first debate, he would have stood a fabulous chance of winning. Instead, Romney's campaign fell flat on its face and his candidacy followed suit on election night.

And definitely disagree with this. This election had a fork stuck in it, in my opinion, when Rick Santorum forced Mitt Romney to take a "hard right" for three months while earning 45% of the GOP vote. That gave Obama juuuuust enough ammunition to get this thing done, and alienated millions with comments on abortion, birth control, immigration, gay marriage, etc. That bullshit never needed to be brought up, it's not stuff Romney has cared about ever.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

I hope another loony toon, Bachmann loses too.

 

[In Lou I Trust]

Biggest question in my mind: how does Obama bring Conservatives, Independents and Liberals together? Not an easy task and may even be impossible but this country is too divided right now.

 

[pkt77242]

I think this is a 35/30/35 country.




I disagree with this.



And definitely disagree with this. This election had a fork stuck in it, in my opinion, when Rick Santorum forced Mitt Romney to take a "hard right" for three months while earning 45% of the GOP vote. That gave Obama juuuuust enough ammunition to get this thing done, and alienated millions with comments on abortion, birth control, immigration, gay marriage, etc. That bullshit never needed to be brought up, it's not stuff Romney has cared about ever.

Buster I completely agree with this. The Republican primary is going to **** just about any viable R canidate because they force them too far right. Romney might have won if he could have avoided it but having to survive it screwed him.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Biggest question in my mind: how does Obama bring Conservatives, Independents and Liberals together? Not an easy task and may even be impossible but this country is too divided right now.

He starts by being a moderate, which he is. Then other people have to concede some things.

 

[pkt77242]

Biggest question in my mind: how does Obama bring Conservatives, Independents and Liberals together? Not an easy task and may even be impossible but this country is too divided right now.

I think that Obama will want to make a deal on the fiscal cliff but will Boehner and Republicans want too?

 

[yankeehater]

Biggest question in my mind: how does Obama bring Conservatives, Independents and Liberals together? Not an easy task and may even be impossible but this country is too divided right now.

That is a major problem with campaigning today! That paint such an ugly picture of each group that there is a point where it will be veeerrry difficult to come back from.

One of the stations tonight was saying how far we have come from Kennedy's "Ask not Speech." Basically the point is no one seems out for Country anymore.

 

[In Lou I Trust]

He starts by being a moderate, which he is. Then other people have to concede some things.

Clearly that's not good enough as his approval rating is hovering around 50%. He's got a lot of work to do.

 

[In Lou I Trust]

One of the stations tonight was saying how far we have come from Kennedy's "Ask not Speech." Basically the point is no one seems out for Country anymore.

Agreed. Our country has a disgusting sense of entitlement.

 

[pkt77242]

Agreed. Our country has a disgusting sense of entitlement.

I would argue that we have a disgusting sense of selfishness.

 

[GoIrish41]

Romney ran a poor campaign outside of the first debate. A better candidate with a more polished and complete campaign would have wiped the floor with Obama.



I actually agree with this. If history means anything, a president who presides over an economy like the one we have today typically does not win re-election, even if it was not his fault. Romney was a bad candidate. He demonstrated that he was willing to sell out during the primaries and never recovered. A good candidate would have been more skillful at navigating the primaries. Santorum didn't make him go further right than he was willing to go.

 

[dshans]

Bachmann on the ropes, too. But slightly ahead. What a disgrace to the species that woman is.

Agreed. It (almost) makes me wish that I lived in her district so that I could vote against her.

I miss Paul Wellstone. I'll be sure to stay in touch with Franken, Klobuchar and Ellison. In spite of Bachmann and Pawlenty I still hold hope for Minnesota.

 

[Redbar]

Ideological nonsense. Slightly less than half the country didn't vote for your guy.

Nonsense? You said this race was won on the backs of blacks and hispanics, and I said it was lost by a segment of the electorate that was moving too far right. If I take your own later argument that a better candidate should have wiped the floor with Obama, and add to it the fact that in this economic climate the democrats look like they have added seats in the senate, I think it clearly shows that there is a message problem. Maybe it is six in one half dozen in the other as to what caused this victory, but one thing for sure is saying it was won on the backs of blacks and hispanics makes it easy to blame and demonize them if you didn't like this outcome, saying it my way allows the republican party to place the blame where it belongs: in the mirror. Stop blaming everyone else for your shortcomings. It's not a demographic issue, it's a message issue, blacks and hispanics are not born with a d stamped on their foot.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Biggest question in my mind: how does Obama bring Conservatives, Independents and Liberals together? Not an easy task and may even be impossible but this country is too divided right now.

Well I don't think Obama has political goodwill to spend like he did after 2008. This wasn't a "mandate" election, the numbers show that much obviously. The House Republicans will not be scared.

It's interesting because he could have moved to the center after 2010, yet didn't. Some think he will after this election because he won't need to satisfy the base. We shall see. One thing is for certain: the GOP will hammer him with Bengahzi for the foreseeable future.

Keep in mind Bush won reelection in 2004 and limped out of office in 2008. I don't expect that to be the case, the American economy has to grow--it can't stay down forever. Will Europe put the world in another recession and send Obama into Bush-like unpopularity? We shall see.

He starts by being a moderate, which he is. Then other people have to concede some things.

Dude he's just not a moderate at all.

 

[Buster Bluth]

I'm wondering who the favorites are for 2016?

Joe Biden ran in 1988 and 2008. He will be 74 by the inauguration in 2017. Will he run?

Hilary Clinton will be 69. Will she survive the Benghazi wreck with enough popularity?

Republicans who could run:

Chris Christie
Bobby Jindal
Jeb Bush
Marco Rubio
Jon Huntsman
Rand Paul
Bob McDonnell
Condoleeza Rice

Christie and Rubio would be the clear favorites.

 

[PJWhitfield]

The country's nearly always divided, and so we often have divided government. That's not necessarily bad. The idea that coming together would lead to something better is just plain b.s.

 

[pkt77242]

Well I don't think Obama has political goodwill to spend like he did after 2008. This wasn't a "mandate" election, the numbers show that much obviously. The House Republicans will not be scared.

It's interesting because he could have moved to the center after 2010, yet didn't. Some think he will after this election because he won't need to satisfy the base. We shall see. One thing is for certain: the GOP will hammer him with Bengahzi for the foreseeable future.

Keep in mind Bush won reelection in 2004 and limped out of office in 2008. I don't expect that to be the case, the American economy has to grow--it can't stay down forever. Will Europe put the world in another recession and send Obama into Bush-like unpopularity? We shall see.



Dude he's just not a moderate at all.

He has been more moderate then you can admit. He was willing to make a compromise that would have pissed the base off on the a grand bargain (about $3 in spending cuts for every $1 in tax increases) and he was willing to compromise on the bush tax cuts, he was willing to compromise on Obamacare (he didn't go for the single payer system) and he didn't break up the big banks as most liberals wanted. The problem is that the right have taken a 90 degree turn to the right and thus can't remember what a moderate is (yes bad English). Look at Eisenhower or Teddy R, they wouldn't recognize the current GOP.

 

[DSully1995]

I'm wondering who the favorites are for 2016?

Joe Biden ran in 1988 and 2008. He will be 74 by the inauguration in 2017. Will he run?

Hilary Clinton will be 69. Will she survive the Benghazi wreck with enough popularity?

Republicans who could run:

Chris Christie
Bobby Jindal
Jeb Bush
Marco Rubio
Jon Huntsman
Rand Paul
Bob McDonnell
Condoleeza Rice

Christie and Rubio would be the clear favorites.

Will be somewhere on the ballot.

 

[In Lou I Trust]

The country's nearly always divided, and so we often have divided government. That's not necessarily bad. The idea that coming together would lead to something better is just plain b.s.

I never said that we need to all be one political party. If you think this country is ever going to move forward being this split you're naive and ignorant.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

I'm wondering who the favorites are for 2016?

Joe Biden ran in 1988 and 2008. He will be 74 by the inauguration in 2017. Will he run?

Hilary Clinton will be 69. Will she survive the Benghazi wreck with enough popularity?

Republicans who could run:

Chris Christie
Bobby Jindal
Jeb Bush
Marco Rubio
Jon Huntsman
Rand Paul
Bob McDonnell
Condoleeza Rice

Christie and Rubio would be the clear favorites.

Deval Patrick, Hillary, Martin O'Malley, Mark Warner, and Elizabeth Warren are the first names to come to mind. Those are 5 people I like at least.

 

[Buster Bluth]

He has been more moderate then you can admit. He was willing to make a compromise that would have pissed the base off on the a grand bargain (about $3 in spending cuts for every $1 in tax increases) and he was willing to compromise on the bush tax cuts, he was willing to compromise on Obamacare (he didn't go for the single payer system) and he didn't break up the big banks as most liberals wanted. The problem is that the right have taken a 90 degree turn to the right and thus can't remember what a moderate is (yes bad English). Look at Eisenhower or Teddy R, they wouldn't recognize the current GOP.

I lol'd.

 

[Rhode Irish]

Well I don't think Obama has political goodwill to spend like he did after 2008. This wasn't a "mandate" election, the numbers show that much obviously. The House Republicans will not be scared.

It's interesting because he could have moved to the center after 2010, yet didn't. Some think he will after this election because he won't need to satisfy the base. We shall see. One thing is for certain: the GOP will hammer him with Bengahzi for the foreseeable future.

Keep in mind Bush won reelection in 2004 and limped out of office in 2008. I don't expect that to be the case, the American economy has to grow--it can't stay down forever. Will Europe put the world in another recession and send Obama into Bush-like unpopularity? We shall see.



Dude he's just not a moderate at all.

I see it the opposite way. The reason so little got done during his first term is because republicans obstinately fought the President on everything hoping that it would limit him to one term - even opposing traditionally bipartisan measures, some of which they originally proposed. Now, not only did that strategy fail, it doesn't even make sense for a second term. Obstructionism already cost them one election; they have to be seen as playing ball if they are going to have any shot in 2016.

Also, Obama is a moderate by nature. To think otherwise is to buy into a caricature, IMO.

 

[irishff1014]

Deval Patrick, Hillary, Martin O'Malley, Mark Warner, and Elizabeth Warren are the first names to come to mind. Those are 5 people I like at least.

No good pos

 

[In Lou I Trust]

Excellent speech by Obama. Let's hope he's not all talk...

 

[pkt77242]

I lol'd.

You can lol'd all you want but my point is still valid. The right has moved so far to the conservative side that they aren't even recognizable. Hell Reagan couldn't get elected as a R now a days.

 

[pkt77242]

Excellent speech by Obama. Let's hope he's not all talk...

agreed but it only matters if the House will compromise at all. If they won't it is going to be a rough 2 years.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

A wild Biden appears!