Politics

[RallySonsOfND]

Mitt Romney's current net worth is approximately $250 Million. If he would have stayed at Bain Capital, instead of getting into politics, his net worth would be over $1 Billion.

He isn't in politics for greed.

 

[connor_in]

Buster...man...
I pushed away from the table for a while.
In my experience, the other side likes to talk and talk and not hear your arguments and it just gets tiring and frustrating. I am not necessarily all that political an animal but I am firm in my beliefs. They want to believe that Romney and Ryan are greedy, evil, and raci$t. The only thing I figure for that is that by dehumanizing him they don't feel quite so bad on pulling the lever for someone racking up the resume Obama has during his term of office.

Honestly, if you listed off the economic numbers and told them it was the way things stood at the end of Bush or Reagan's terms they would be appalled at them.

 

[Buster Bluth]

They didn't say the incident didn't happen they said the portrayal of their brother wasn't factualy accurate (not that it didn't happen) and that they are agrieved that he was used for a political purpose.

That's the whole point! His portrayal is what made Romney look like a monster and not some idiotic kid. The media made this out to be a "Lord of the Flies type incident" (poor piggy...) that has serious ramifications toward Romney's adult life because he attacked a gay student! Do you know how many stupid-as-hell pranks boys do in high school? Not even I am innocent of that! (Monster!) The media painted that as a serious incident with Romney attacking a gay person. They made the fact that he was gay for a reason, and I don't think he was ever gay..at least not openly.

I don't know how anyone could care about what a child did when he was like 15. (Don't we all say "Oh he's just a young kid" when we look at a recruit's mistake? "Oh I really hope he turns it around..." Well, Romney CLEARLY did. but we still tear him apart for an incident in 1965??) That deserves a 5,000-word front-page article?! It's literally incomprehensible on why this should even be worth mentioning---oh that's right, because witnesses (who happens to be a public school principal...I'm sure he's a huge conservative) said it was basically murder. GTFOOHWTS."

I am not in any way condoning it. It was reallllly stupid. He was a child, and the media of course ran with it for a reason: Romney looks bad. That's why we don't see stories ata ll of Obama being a stoner through high school and Occidental:

Or hear any conversation on how a President who is getting involved in the size of school lunches is a huge health hypocrite as he is a big smoker:

Whatever makes Romney look bad gets a front page spot, any flaws in Obama are disregarded.

There's a huge ton so **** from Obama's speeches in think-tanks that just get disregarded. He's, ummmm, evolved. It's total bullshit.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Mitt Romney's current net worth is approximately $250 Million. If he would have stayed at Bain Capital, instead of getting into politics, his net worth would be over $1 Billion.

He isn't in politics for greed.

In addition, he ran the Olympics for free and was the Governor of Massachusetts for $1.00/year.

He's not in it for the greed of money or power. But that's one of those "impossible to disprove" bullsh!t angles that get pretty annoying.

 

[RallySonsOfND]

“I have never understood why it is "greed" to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money.”

-Thomas Sowell

 

[RyCo1983]

HOGAN FOR PRESIDENT

 

[connor_in]

HOGAN FOR PRESIDENT

At least with this ^ you know that...

he is a real american
he'll fight for the rights of every man
he is a real american
he'll fight for what's right, he'll fight for your life!

 

[RyCo1983]

At least with this ^ you know that...

he is a real american
he'll fight for the rights of every man
he is a real american
he'll fight for what's right, he'll fight for your life!

(His "other" American theme song)

He's Americannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn Made!

He's got the stars and stripes running through his veins.
He was born and raised an American man.
He has the pride of his country on his sleeve.
He'll fight for your freedom if you really believe.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

In addition, he ran the Olympics for free and was the Governor of Massachusetts for $1.00/year.

He's not in it for the greed of money or power. But that's one of those "impossible to disprove" bullsh!t angles that get pretty annoying.

I'm sure he's in it to better the lives of ALL Americans. Yeah right

 

[IrishMoore1]

Mitt Romney only cares about rich people. Unless you're in the top 1%, you are truly ignorant of your own interests if you don't understand that.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

Mitt Romney only cares about rich people. Unless you're in the top 1%, you are truly ignorant of your own interests if you don't understand that.

You're truly ignorant if you think he cares about anyone. He only cares about kicking puppies.

 

[RallySonsOfND]

Mitt Romney only cares about rich people. Unless you're in the top 1%, you are truly ignorant of your own interests if you don't understand that.

Oh please.

This administration has created SO much economic uncertainty it is a wonder why we haven't already dipped into another recession. I will be voting for Romney because he has a business successful business background, not some bullshit 'Community Organizer' background. It is time we have a businessman in office. The United States is heading towards a cliff, and if you don't see that then YOU are ignorant.

What do you think will happen to investments when he raises capital gains and dividends taxes? Plummet. What do you think will happen when he raises taxes on people who earn over $250,000? Businesses shrink, not expand, and will increase layoffs.

Take an Econ 101 class and learn something.

 

[WaveDomer]

Mitt Romney only cares about rich people. Unless you're in the top 1%, you are truly ignorant of your own interests if you don't understand that.

Umm, in 2011 Romney gave 30% of his income to charity, or $4,020,772. He only claimed giving 2.25 million because he didn't want to be pushed into a lower tax bracket. Over the last 20 years, Romney averages giving 13.5 percent of his income to charity. That's around 30 million dollars given to charity in 20 years.

Romney used to visit a kid who was sick and actually helped that kid write a will. When he was high up in his Mormon Stake, he paid for 2 kids college education because they were injured in a car wreck and were left crippled. He also spent vacation time visiting the needy, doing work in yards for homeowners after wildfires and the list could go on. While Gov. he made a remark about Vets learning how to milk cows because milk shortages were a problem for this Vets home. It was a bad joke. He apologized and then paid for milk for the home for years after that without telling anyone. The milkman finally told the guy running the place that Romney was buying the milk. These are a few examples among many.

Republicans and conservatives believe in things like lower taxes because they believe that it helps the lower class and brings them up. Even JFK said a "rising tide lifts all boats." Romney is an amazing human being. Amazing. His record of success in all things is incredible: family, education, career, charity, and faith. He might be the most successful all-around person to ever run for POTUS. You may not like his politics and that's fine. But to say he only cares about the rich is, in your words, ignorant. Ignorant of his history and of his faith and how he carries that.

The narrative is the same every 4 years. The Republican running is either: old, evil, or dumb. Romney is clearly not old or dumb, so the narrative is that he's an evil rich guy, despite all of the evidence to the contrary.

 

[IrishMoore1]

You're truly ignorant if you think he cares about anyone. He only cares about kicking puppies.

LOL

Oh please.

This administration has created SO much economic uncertainty it is a wonder why we haven't already dipped into another recession. I will be voting for Romney because he has a business successful business background, not some bullshit 'Community Organizer' background. It is time we have a businessman in office. The United States is heading towards a cliff, and if you don't see that then YOU are ignorant.

What do you think will happen to investments when he raises capital gains and dividends taxes? Plummet. What do you think will happen when he raises taxes on people who earn over $250,000? Businesses shrink, not expand, and will increase layoffs.

Take an Econ 101 class and learn something.

Actually, I think you should take an Econ 101 class. You might learn that top down economics DOES NOT work. But you don't need a class to tell you it's bull crap. Having a pulse would suffice.

 

[RallySonsOfND]

Umm, in 2011 Romney gave 30% of his income to charity, or $4,020,772. He only claimed giving 2.25 million because he didn't want to be pushed into a lower tax bracket. Over the last 20 years, Romney averages giving 13.5 percent of his income to charity. That's around 30 million dollars given to charity in 20 years.

Romney used to visit a kid who was sick and actually helped that kid right a will. When he was high up in his Mormon Stake, he paid for 2 kids college education because they were injured in a car wreck and were left crippled. He also spent vacation time visiting the needy, doing work in yards for homeowners after wildfires and the list could go on. While Gov. he made a remark about Vets learning how to milk cows because milk shortages were a problem for this Vets home. It was a bad joke. He apologized and then paid for milk for the home for years after that without telling anyone. The milkman finally told the guy running the place that Romney was buying the milk. These are a few examples among many.

Republicans and conservatives believe in things like lower taxes because they believe that it helps the lower class and brings them up. Even JFK said a "rising tide lifts all boats." Romney is an amazing human being. Amazing. His record of success in all things is incredible: family, education, career, charity, and faith. He might be the most successful all-around person to ever run for POTUS. You may not like his politics and that's fine. But to say he only cares about the rich is, in your words, ignorant. Ignorant of his history and of his faith and how he carries that.

The narrative is the same every 4 years. The Republican running is either: old, evil, or dumb. Romney is clearly not old or dumb, so the narrative is that he's an evil rich guy, despite all of the evidence to the contrary.

Exactly.

Forced charity is no charity at all.

 

[RallySonsOfND]

Actually, I think you should take an Econ 101 class. You might learn that top down economics DOES NOT work. But you don't need a class to tell you it's bull crap. Having a pulse would suffice.

I'm an Economics major so...

"Top Down Economics"? LOL!

Free Markets do work when they are ACTUALLY free markets. We have moved so far from an actual free market system, crony capitalism is what we have. Government picking winners and losers.

Both my grandfather and father (different sides of the family) started their own businesses DESPITE the government. My grandfather came from NOTHING and is now a multi-millionaire and built his company during the 80s when interest rates were a hell of a lot higher than they are now.

My father is in banking (started it) so I see first hand all of the stupid $hit the government makes them do (and NO they didn't take any TARP money because they didn't do any of the risky loans the big banks did). Big banks are all for added regulations, you know why? Drives up the cost of doing business, a cost that drives out competition.

 

[ND NYC]

That's the whole point! His portrayal is what made Romney look like a monster and not some idiotic kid. The media made this out to be a "Lord of the Flies type incident" (poor piggy...) that has serious ramifications toward Romney's adult life because he attacked a gay student! Do you know how many stupid-as-hell pranks boys do in high school? Not even I am innocent of that! (Monster!) The media painted that as a serious incident with Romney attacking a gay person. They made the fact that he was gay for a reason, and I don't think he was ever gay..at least not openly.

I don't know how anyone could care about what a child did when he was like 15. (Don't we all say "Oh he's just a young kid" when we look at a recruit's mistake? "Oh I really hope he turns it around..." Well, Romney CLEARLY did. but we still tear him apart for an incident in 1965??) That deserves a 5,000-word front-page article?! It's literally incomprehensible on why this should even be worth mentioning---oh that's right, because witnesses (who happens to be a public school principal...I'm sure he's a huge conservative) said it was basically murder. GTFOOHWTS."

I am not in any way condoning it. It was reallllly stupid. He was a child, and the media of course ran with it for a reason: Romney looks bad. That's why we don't see stories ata ll of Obama being a stoner through high school and Occidental:

Or hear any conversation on how a President who is getting involved in the size of school lunches is a huge health hypocrite as he is a big smoker:

Whatever makes Romney look bad gets a front page spot, any flaws in Obama are disregarded.

There's a huge ton so **** from Obama's speeches in think-tanks that just get disregarded. He's, ummmm, evolved. It's total bullshit.

that incident when romney was 15 was a 24 hr story...but it was made worse and into a longer bigger story by the right wing media crying out that it was unfair and another example of the liberal media character assasination of romney. they just cant help themselves. they try to help--but they end up hurting they guy they want to win.

i agree with you that is not good having a current future or past president with any kind of drug or chemical dependence problem but keep in mind that it never stoped George W Bush form being a 2 termer who was an alcholic who finally got himself sober....and who also used coke...and got a dwi...and 2 termer bill clinton as well who tried that wacky weed.

 

[connor_in]

LOL



Actually, I think you should take an Econ 101 class. You might learn that top down economics DOES NOT work. But you don't need a class to tell you it's bull crap. Having a pulse would suffice.

Actually when I got my economics degree, most of my profs did not believe in full blown Keynesian economics and pointed to history to prove it generally did not work.

It all depends on your professors and your philosophical viewpoint as to whether you follow Keynes or not.

 

[connor_in]

Write About Terrorism? Nah, Let’s All Bash Mitt Romney Instead! - The Daily Beast

I know this will get the author trashed, but she is a D pundit with an occasional independent streak

 

[Irish Houstonian]

Actually when I got my economics degree, most of my profs did not believe in full blown Keynesian economics and pointed to history to prove it generally did not work.

It all depends on your professors and your philosophical viewpoint as to whether you follow Keynes or not.

I think the general consensus is that Keynesianism works in the short-run because the immediate cash injection for consumers stimulates consumption. (Doesn't matter how the cash gets in peoples' hands -- you're literally paying people to dig holes and then paying other people to fill them).

But in the long run, that capital that could have been used as productive investment gets wasted toward...paying people to fill holes that you've paid people to dig. Or dropping it from a helicopter. So long-term economic growth suffers in the name of immediate stimulus. (Sounds familiar, huh?)

Keynes didn't even have a rebuttal to this long-run degradation -- his only retort was that "yeah, well, in the long run, we're all dead."

 

[RallySonsOfND]

I think the general consensus is that Keynesianism works in the short-run because the immediate cash injection for consumers stimulates consumption. (Doesn't matter how the cash gets in peoples' hands -- you're literally paying people to dig holes and then paying other people to fill them).

But in the long run, that capital that could have been used as productive investment gets wasted toward...paying people to fill holes that you've paid people to dig. Or dropping it from a helicopter. So long-term economic growth suffers in the name of immediate stimulus. (Sounds familiar, huh?)

Keynes didn't even have a rebuttal to this long-run degradation -- his only retort was that "yeah, well, in the long run, we're all dead."

Think about this. How does taking from 1 person and giving to another create economic growth? It doesn't.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

Think about this. How does taking from 1 person and giving to another create economic growth? It doesn't.

If person 2 has a higher spending rate (or lower savings rate), it does in the short run.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

If person 2 has a higher spending rate (or lower savings rate), it does in the short run.

Forgot to add, that most Keynesian tactics are done via monetary policy -- dropping $ from a helicopter. Long-term inflation is sacrificed for short-term stimulus.

 

[phgreek]

Write About Terrorism? Nah, Let’s All Bash Mitt Romney Instead! - The Daily Beast

I know this will get the author trashed, but she is a D pundit with an occasional independent streak

All I can say is, a well-timed contrarian point of view can make a career...so I'll guess she sees this as potentially one of those moments...I doubt it.

I agree with her point, but no one cares that the current administration lied about this because a) its not entertaining; b) people can't answer the question "how would this impact me". c) its not constantly fired at people through multiple outlets....

While it should...this won't move the needle...

 

[Buster Bluth]

that incident when romney was 15 was a 24 hr story...but it was made worse and into a longer bigger story by the right wing media crying out that it was unfair and another example of the liberal media character assasination of romney. they just cant help themselves. they try to help--but they end up hurting they guy they want to win.

24-hour stories are not 5,000-word front-page articles. It was made to be a huge deal.

i agree with you that is not good having a current future or past president with any kind of drug or chemical dependence problem but keep in mind that it never stoped George W Bush form being a 2 termer who was an alcholic who finally got himself sober....and who also used coke...and got a dwi...and 2 termer bill clinton as well who tried that wacky weed.

Well I actually am a huge cannabis fan. That wasn't my point. My point was that they don't cover this intentionally because they want him to win and know it'll keep his favorability rate up.

 

[connor_in]

I think the general consensus is that Keynesianism works in the short-run because the immediate cash injection for consumers stimulates consumption. (Doesn't matter how the cash gets in peoples' hands -- you're literally paying people to dig holes and then paying other people to fill them).

But in the long run, that capital that could have been used as productive investment gets wasted toward...paying people to fill holes that you've paid people to dig. Or dropping it from a helicopter. So long-term economic growth suffers in the name of immediate stimulus. (Sounds familiar, huh?)

Keynes didn't even have a rebuttal to this long-run degradation -- his only retort was that "yeah, well, in the long run, we're all dead."

Which brings us to the truest truth ever...
The only certanties in life are death and taxes!

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[RallySonsOfND]

If person 2 has a higher spending rate (or lower savings rate), it does in the short run.

No it doesn't. More money put into a bank, more money the bank lends out.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

No it doesn't. More money put into a bank, more money the bank lends out.

That's not the short run.

 

[RallySonsOfND]

That's not the short run.

How is that not short run?

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

Romney better have a great debate or he's done. I just don't see him pulling it off. I am looking forward to him being pushed to give specifics on any of his plans.