Politics

[jason_h537]

"Romney?! He sucks! Bad!"

lololol

Hey Buster aren't you a college student going to school thanks to veteran benefits from your father? Whats it like to be part of that mooching 47%? If you were more responsible maybe Romney would care about your needs.

Here is why Romney is losing for those playing catch up.

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[Buster Bluth]

Hey Buster aren't you a college student going to school thanks to veteran benefits from your father? Whats it like to be part of that mooching 47%?

Go **** yourself. Seriously.

If you were more responsible maybe Romney would care about your needs.

Here is why Romney is losing for those playing catch up.

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Oh sweet a bunch of out-of-context malarkey.

"I like being able to fire people" was in reference to free market service and the ability to have a choice, not to be forced into some mediocre government program. "It's not my job to worry about those people" was in reference to the campaign, and while the 47% is hyperbolic funraising crap and I disagree with number, it had nothing to do with his care for all Americans. But do you think that there aren't millions of people voting for "Obama phones," etc., and not 1) getting an education or 2) a job? That's all most Republicans dislike, in my opinion.

The fact that you will compare that to someone whose father died fighting for this country and his benefits are, by law when one signs up, transferred to his children, is beyond pathetic. You ****ing suck.

Of course I wouldn't expect you even want to consider any other possibility other than that Romney is the evilest man on the planet and Obama needs our votes to wage war against the obstructionist Crongress. LOL. You people are great.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Mitt's campaign is a disaster.

I think you mean "both campaigns are disasters." I haven't seen much truth from either side. You don't see Obama talking out of his ***? Egypt isn't an US ally? Libyans attacks us over a movie? 90% of the deficit is Bush's fault?

Get a clue man. This is sh!t-flinging season from everyone. It doesn't matter if it's true. That's why Romney gets his rocks off to firing people, and ended up giving a woman cancer.

The whole process is a joke. Wake up.

I too and excited for the debates. It should be pretty intense. I just wish Ron Paul could be there for the "Well, you're both wrong actually..." truth.

 

[yankeeND]

I decided that I'm gonna vote For Morgan Freeman in Deep Impact! He seemed to care.

 

[yankeeND]

On a serious note though I try to stay out of the politics chatter as I get really irritated by either side when someone tells me "the facts". It's all a bunch of bs to me. If I'm looking at this right we have 2 candidates that never served their country which I might add is a God fearing country, that are not fundamental Christians. I must say I'm not thrilled by this. I don't think either are bad men but we are so far away from the America I grew up in that I don't recognize it anymore and it makes me sad.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

"Romney?! He sucks! Bad!"

lololol

I was hoping she was going to say "He sucks! Kind of...!". You know, showing that she can get a free phone from Obama but still be a reasonably-minded swing-voter.

 

[Bluto]

If you can, sign up for your Obama Phone:

Obama Phone —

Apparently everyone in Cleveland's already got one.

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Oh great. One of my dingbat conservative friends posted this same trash on Facebook. Anyhow it's simply an extension of the lifeline program created in the mid 80's. Here's an article and of course the person in the video is black. I've asked this before, why is it that conservatives never use poor whites to exemplify the ills of "big government entitlement programs"?

Where do “Obama phones” come from? | Mobile Washington Examiner

 

[Bluto]

Here's another piece regarding the "obamaphone".

Race, Drudge, and the Obama Phone

 

[Buster Bluth]

Honestly I have no problem whatsoever with subsidized phones. It actually makes sense: how is someone supposed to get a job if they can't be contacted?

But how long do you think she's been on the "Obamaphone" plan? And let me be clear, this is in no way Obama's fault. This program, if I'm not mistaken, started in the 1970s and was even expanded under Bush (Booo! Facist!).

But come on, what is her motivation to improve her life via getting an education (not necessarily a four-year degree or anything) and maintain a life off of the government? All I see if her, and the SEIU folks behind her quite literally voting for handouts. Where is the program not-so-subtly forcing her to move on? That's all most sane Republicans want. People assume too often that Republicans hate the poor; I can't take anyone seriously who thinks like that.

 

[Bluto]

Honestly I have no problem whatsoever with subsidized phones. It actually makes sense: how is someone supposed to get a job if they can't be contacted?

But how long do you think she's been on the "Obamaphone" plan? And let me be clear, this is in no way Obama's fault. This program, if I'm not mistaken, started in the 1970s and was even expanded under Bush (Booo! Facist!).

But come on, what is her motivation to improve her life via getting an education (not necessarily a four-year degree or anything) and maintain a life off of the government? All I see if her, and the SEIU folks behind her quite literally voting for handouts. Where is the program not-so-subtly forcing her to move on? That's all most sane Republicans want. People assume too often that Republicans hate the poor; I can't take anyone seriously who thinks like that.

Buster, what you wrote is a very reasonable response and I agree with it. Encouraging people to move on is great. I do think there is a certain percentage of the population that might be incapable due to mental health and or substance abuse issues but that's another topic.

Anyhow, It's hard not to get the impression that the GOP hates the poor and poor African Americans in particular when they constantly pump out this type of imagery and hold it up as what is "destroying the real America" or whatever.

 

[Rizzophil]

When is a President going to tackle a bankrupt Post Office, bankrupt Social Security, bankrupt Medicare, bankrupt Medicade. Everything the government gets involved in goes bankrupt.

Another irony, UPS and FedEx are making boatloads of money and the US Post Office is broke. 80% of US Post Office costs are employment, benefits, pensions, health care, etc. UPS & FedEx pay 50% in employment costs and they are able to expand. They are able to employ more people and give more people experience because they don't pay pensions that they can't afford.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Maybe a good program in theory, but just like about all government programs, appears to be filled with fraud and abuse and the cost of the program is exploding.

Did Obama create the program - No. Did Obama do anything to make this program worse - probably not. However, its just another example of how federal government programs will almost always cost more then anticipated and will eventually be overwhelmed with fraud.

There's a reason why the Fed is buried in debt, it's because we can't operate any programs efficiently or in ways that prevent abuse. Obamacare will just increase the speed at which we drive off the fiscal cliff.

Article from Business Week from back in Feb is below, so it's absent much of the kneejerk reactions to the video everyone is talking about.
How an FCC Free Phone Program
 Went Rogue - Businessweek

 

[Buster Bluth]

When is a President going to tackle a bankrupt Post Office, bankrupt Social Security, bankrupt Medicare, bankrupt Medicade. Everything the government gets involved in goes bankrupt.

Another irony, UPS and FedEx are making boatloads of money and the US Post Office is broke. 80% of US Post Office costs are employment, benefits, pensions, health care, etc. UPS & FedEx pay 50% in employment costs and they are able to expand. They are able to employ more people and give more people experience because they don't pay pensions that they can't afford.

Maybe a good program in theory, but just like about all government programs, appears to be filled with fraud and abuse and the cost of the program is exploding.

Did Obama create the program - No. Did Obama do anything to make this program worse - probably not. However, its just another example of how federal government programs will almost always cost more then anticipated and will eventually be overwhelmed with fraud.

There's a reason why the Fed is buried in debt, it's because we can't operate any programs efficiently or in ways that prevent abuse. Obamacare will just increase the speed at which we drive off the fiscal cliff.

This, more than any other reason, is why I believe fundamentally that these should be state-level programs--as the government was designed by the Founding Fathers.

Cities, counties, and states have to balance budgets or they wreck. The Feds can simply print and borrow more money, and push the problem further down the line.

If you think the dot-com or housing bubble bursting was big....just wait until we can't even pay the interest on the debt. And both parties are to blame!

 

[ND NYC]

anyone notice that obama getting closer to romney in our IE poll? my sense is that the country, like IE, is breaking/trending for obama at this stage of the election cycle.

romney has no one to blame but himself really...his own words, a horrible campaign and staff, constatnt flip flopping over decades in public office, his inability to relate "to the masses" and them to him, lack of a spine on any issue, has cost him dearly not only with the undecideds but with his base. they are not energized in numbers that will help him.

i think overall any air that romney had is pretty much out of his balloon...for variety of reasons.

romney only chance now, in my view, is for a "historical debate moment" or some sort of a black swan event (domestic or international)

 

[Buster Bluth]

Mostly, I find it so odd that we have people pushing for sustainability in everything from farming to energy to transportation to development.....but not a sustainable federal government?!

I mean we're literally discussing whose plan, between Obama's and Romney's, is most likely to balance the budget by 2020! And yeah, huge cuts now would be catastrophic for the economy, it needs to be done wisely. But as soon as Romney talks about reforming social programs he is lambasted as an evil rich guy, and as soon as Obama talks about about defense cuts he's labeled as an anti-American Neville Chamberlain. It's disgusting; any wise person would know that neither of them are what they are being labeled as.

 

[irishff1014]

Maybe a good program in theory, but just like about all government programs, appears to be filled with fraud and abuse and the cost of the program is exploding.

Did Obama create the program - No. Did Obama do anything to make this program worse - probably not. However, its just another example of how federal government programs will almost always cost more then anticipated and will eventually be overwhelmed with fraud.

There's a reason why the Fed is buried in debt, it's because we can't operate any programs efficiently or in ways that prevent abuse. Obamacare will just increase the speed at which we drive off the fiscal cliff.

Article from Business Week from back in Feb is below, so it's absent much of the kneejerk reactions to the video everyone is talking about.
How an FCC Free Phone Program
 Went Rogue - Businessweek

This program was a good idea however they don't make them register the phones. These phones are supposed to be for people that need assistance. Working a 911 ceanter if they don't register the phones and call 911 to report a problem they are not usually very helpful. They (i mean most of the people that have these phones of ALL races) say something like i need the police on main st and hang up. When you call back they don't anser and if you run the number it comes back as no info found. Which defeats the purpose. Alot of these phones go to women with histiry or domestic abuse. And pretty much eveytown we deal with has a main st. These programs are nice to help people but it isn't follewed up on or watched closly. But you can't help people that wont thelp their selves.

 

[Buster Bluth]

romney has no one to blame but himself really...his own words, a horrible campaign and staff, constatnt flip flopping over decades in public office, his inability to relate "to the masses" and them to him, lack of a spine on any issue, has cost him dearly not only with the undecideds but with his base. they are not energized in numbers that will help him.

Where did he say "a horrible campaign and staff?" He hasn't done half of the flip-flopping you think he has. You say he can't relate to the masses, but I just read that he was up with independents on Monday.

romney only chance now, in my view, is for a "historical debate moment" or some sort of a black swan event (domestic or international)

By black swan event, do you mean Al-Qaeda storming out embassy, murdering our ambassador, and showing the world how woefully unprepared our State Department was...only to have the President get coy and state that it was over a movie? I have defended Obama's foreign policy on this very thread, but he looked like an amateur in that moment.

But yeah, Romney will need to squash Obama in the debates.

 

[IrishInFl]

Current projected composite poll may from electoral-vote.com

 

[ND NYC]

Where did he say "a horrible campaign and staff?" He hasn't done half of the flip-flopping you think he has. You say he can't relate to the masses, but I just read that he was up with independents on Monday.



By black swan event, do you mean Al-Qaeda storming out embassy, murdering our ambassador, and showing the world how woefully unprepared our State Department was...only to have the President get coy and state that it was over a movie? I have defended Obama's foreign policy on this very thread, but he looked like an amateur in that moment.But yeah, Romney will need to squash Obama in the debates.

he didnt say it. i said it. do you feel otherwise? are you happy with his campaign? for soemeoine who is upposed to be so buttoned up in running comapnies etc he sure isnt demostrating that running a company is like running a campaign...much less the us govt. people can be great businessmen but that doesnt (or in my view) shouldnt mean that they will be a great leader of the us govt. this is romneys main selling point---that he can get the economy going better than obama. he is failing in that mission. and if that issue fails for him he may as well just **** on the fire and call in the dogs b/c its over for him.

agree on obama handling of that libyan situation. problem was: romney screwed that up too...he tried to jump on it and use for political advantage and he himself ended up looking like a fool.

i just think at the end of the day "phony" and "unlikeable" are going to stick to romney all the way to nov 6th.

 

[Buster Bluth]

he didnt say it. i said it. do you feel otherwise? are you happy with his campaign? for soemeoine who is upposed to be so buttoned up in running comapnies etc he sure isnt demostrating that running a company is like running a campaign...much less the us govt. people can be great businessmen but that doesnt (or in my view) shouldnt mean that they will be a great leader of the us govt. this is romneys main selling point---that he can get the economy going better than obama. he is failing in that mission. and if that issue fails for him he may as well just **** on the fire and call in the dogs b/c its over for him.

You act like Obama hasn't had a slew of personal flaws that have been largely ignored.

But yeah, Romney is not charismatic charmer and is, more than anything, awkward. But then I'm instantly reminded why successful people in the private sector don't get involved in the public sector. Every bit of your past is dug up and shown to the public, and when a certain side of the campaign has an army of drooling journalists ready to print everything from 5,000-word front-page stories on unproven hearsay bullying from high school, reporting on a $990 blouse Mrs. Romney is wearing (while the First Lady is simultaneously wearing an $8,600 dress to Buckingham Palace), etc etc etc...

.....while not bringing up high school stories of Obama (you know, where he was a frequent pit smoker), or Michelle's "for the first time in my adult life, I'm proud to be an American," or her mysterious racial thesis that was unavailable in the Princeton library until Nov 5, 2008. Or how Barack deliberately made up characters in his own damn autobiography so made a better story.

Romney hasn't run anything near a good campaign, but let's not act like the newspapers and media in this country aren't more than willing to blow up every negative story on Romney (did you know he thinks airplane windows should open?) and downplaying negative aspects of Obama. But that's right, Obama is just he awesome well-spoken black dude who loves fighting for the middles class in between working on his basketball game and fighting Wall Street. Uh huh...

The last ten years have shown me only one thing: Americans are idiots. They will always vote for the more likeable candidate. They will reelect a President who cannot realistically claim to be anything more than mediocre at best, who has not given this country any economic progress and under whom the middle class has been kicked in the gut financially. But it's not just Obama, Americans are the same idiots who reelected this guy:

We really really suck as a voting public. What is most striking to me is how we treat our sports teams, we will overlook a guy who murdered and abused animals for years:

Who has been accused of rape:

And who murdered a guy in a cocaine deal:

...as long as they ultimately produce on the field for us. BUT, when it comes to someone who will actually impact your wallet and future, nahhhh can't vote for an awkward Mormon who sucks at speeches even those his record is 10000000x better than the other guy.

 

[autry_denson]

If I'm looking at this right we have 2 candidates that never served their country which I might add is a God fearing country, that are not fundamental Christians.

wow.

 

[pkt77242]

You act like Obama hasn't had a slew of personal flaws that have been largely ignored.

But yeah, Romney is not charismatic charmer and is, more than anything, awkward. But then I'm instantly reminded why successful people in the private sector don't get involved in the public sector. Every bit of your past is dug up and shown to the public, and when a certain side of the campaign has an army of drooling journalists ready to print everything from 5,000-word front-page stories on unproven hearsay bullying from high school, reporting on a $990 blouse Mrs. Romney is wearing (while the First Lady is simultaneously wearing an $8,600 dress to Buckingham Palace), etc etc etc...

.....while not bringing up high school stories of Obama (you know, where he was a frequent pit smoker), or Michelle's "for the first time in my adult life, I'm proud to be an American," or her mysterious racial thesis that was unavailable in the Princeton library until Nov 5, 2008. Or how Barack deliberately made up characters in his own damn autobiography so made a better story.

Romney hasn't run anything near a good campaign, but let's not act like the newspapers and media in this country aren't more than willing to blow up every negative story on Romney (did you know he thinks airplane windows should open?) and downplaying negative aspects of Obama. But that's right, Obama is just he awesome well-spoken black dude who loves fighting for the middles class in between working on his basketball game and fighting Wall Street. Uh huh...
The last ten years have shown me only one thing: Americans are idiots. They will always vote for the more likeable candidate. They will reelect a President who cannot realistically claim to be anything more than mediocre at best, who has not given this country any economic progress and under whom the middle class has been kicked in the gut financially. But it's not just Obama, Americans are the same idiots who reelected this guy:

We really really suck as a voting public.

Witnesses talking about what happened is not unproven hearsay. Mitt Romney bullying story holds up to scrutiny - Omblog - The Washington Post Five witnesses talked and four of them went on the record with their name.

As to the part about the Romney vs Obama and the media. All I am going to say is Fox News. So Bullshit.

 

[ND NYC]

in your zeal to get Romney elected with your deftly crafted pictorial and rehashed ramblings you miss (and make) my point Bluth.

of course they both have flaws. of course they both have things in theri past that they wish wans't part of the campaign.

to romney they are quiksand.

to obama they are bumps in the road.

politicians dont make great businessmen and vice versa.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Witnesses talking about what happened is not unproven hearsay. Mitt Romney bullying story holds up to scrutiny - Omblog - The Washington Post Five witnesses talked and four of them went on the record with their name..

Yeah that'd be cool and all, until the actual family of the guy came out and said that it wasn't accurate.

 

[Buster Bluth]

in your zeal to get Romney elected with your deftly crafted pictorial and rehashed ramblings you miss (and make) my point Bluth.

of course they both have flaws. of course they both have things in theri past that they wish wans't part of the campaign.

to romney they are quiksand.

to obama they are bumps in the road.

lol wut

politicians dont make great businessmen and vice versa.

I would agree that Romney, and businessmen, wouldn't/don't make a great politician in the definition of politician as a do-nothing jackoff who only cares about getting reelected and continuing the status quo. But business(wo)men make fine policy-makers all over the county. Of course, policy makers != politicians.

I'm really happy with the business-like approach my governor has taken with this state. I would be very happy to have a guy who understands markets and efficiency in the White House too.

 

[ND NYC]

lol wut



I would agree that Romney, and businessmen, wouldn't/don't make a great politician in the definition of politician as a do-nothing jackoff who only cares about getting reelected and continuing the status quo. But business(wo)men make fine policy-makers all over the county. Of course, policy makers != politicians.

I'm really happy with the business-like approach my governor has taken with this state. I would be very happy to have a guy who understands markets and efficiency in the White House too.

i hear you...all Romney has been doing for the last 8 years is running for president

 

[Buster Bluth]

i hear you...all Romney has been doing for the last 8 years is running for president

Eight is quite the stretch. More like since February 13, 2007, so 5.5 years. That's a pretty weak criticism.

 

[ND NYC]

Eight is quite the stretch. More like since February 13, 2007, so 5.5 years. That's a pretty weak criticism.

ok ill give you 5.5 years.

point is...the man has no "vision"...and "no core beliefs"...or if he did, he has not a clue over the last 5.5 yrs on how to articluate them.

this hurts him with his base more than the independents.

in closing he is coming across as a guy who really doesnt even know why he even wants to be president. just that he wants to be.

 

[Buster Bluth]

ok ill give you 5.5 years.

point is...the man has no "vision"...and "no core beliefs"...or if he did, he has not a clue over the last 5.5 yrs on how to articluate them.

this hurts him with his base more than the independents.

in closing he is coming across as a guy who really doesnt even know why he even wants to be president. just that he wants to be.

I disagree. I think his campaign made a fatal error in trying to get a 2010-like turnout from the GOP'ers, and in doing so it made it super easy for the media to label him as an out-of-touch flip-flopper who is in it for greed and power. I don't believe a single word of that description of him, as his record says something completely different.

The GOP simply isn't ever going to get a widely acceptable candidate (candidate, not person) out there until they stop acting like abortion, gay marriage, and religion are the key issues in this country. If I blame this loss on anyone it's Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich; Gingrich truly ran on nothing but ego and Santorum is a career politician (read "do-nothing jackoff") who was more than willing to fire up the crazies, thus pushing Romney to the right and forcing him to flip.

Does anyone here really think Romney cares enough about gay marriage or abortion for him to do anything about it as President? Honestly. It's stuff like that that makes me hate the GOP, they're a bunch of ****ing idiots.

What vision and core beliefs should I be seeing from Barack to fire me up for 2012? Hold on until it gets better? Forward? That's pretty weak too.

 

[pkt77242]

Yeah that'd be cool and all, until the actual family of the guy came out and said that it wasn't accurate.

That is not what they said at all. They didn't say the incident didn't happen they said the portrayal of their brother wasn't factualy accurate (not that it didn't happen) and that they are agrieved that he was used for a political purpose. Again they said nothing about the incident itself and didn't dispute that. Also how in the Hell would his family know if the incident happened. I think 5 eyewitnesses are more credible than people that weren't there.