Politics

[Bogtrotter07]

I would have to say i don't know anyone better now than 4 years ago. My best off friends lost overtime at places that has had overtime like crazy since they started. Half my friends have had serious job threats during severe cutbacks at their companies. I have yet to have a friend who has list or didn't have a job get one. About 6 months ago i thought things around here were looking up. Unfortunately that has come to a screeching halt and dropped off a cliff. I am one of two guys who are out my companies doors when work comes in and between us two we can't get a full 40 hours combined. We are the second strongest electrical company in town. We used to employ 40 some electricians at our peak. We now only have 6 plus 2 apprentices and half of them aren't working. It is bad here and getting worse. 3.5 years and things have only gotten worse. That is why Obama supporters are abandoning ship so bad. He isn't even slowing the spiral and he promised them paradise.

The reason your company is hurt and bleeding isn't because of the surgeon's treatment. You are damned lucky the patient is alive. Remember big companies are doing well; in fact, better than ever.

I will admit part of the reason I am doing as well as I am is the Wal-Mart stock my father bought a few years before his death. But this is exactly the problem in America. Walmart has the cash to expand and dominate, and when they do they reduce the number of related jobs in the market as well as the average pay. If I took unemployment or disability you guys would be pi$$ed at me. But Walmart expects its employees to use the Federal social safety net to make ends meet. I don't have Walmart stock anymore, but I have put some money into a bank that makes loans to entreupeaneurs in impoverished third world countries.

The policies were put in place from 1999 on to change the way the SEC reguated (banks) business and laws were changed and repealed that kept things rolling. Two wars a terrorist attack and open season on the money supply started a crisis in confidence. The part nobody talks about is lying. My father taught me, how overvalued the stock market was, the commercial real and residential estate markets, etc. The laws got changed so more and more wealth could be drained and voilà! Confidence is shaken everywhere, with production down and the costs of two stupid wars rising, we can barely pay service on the countrys debt. We are lucky that there are signs of life, it with a perfect job by everybody would take at least ten years to get back to some semblence of a healthy economy.

 

[phgreek]

Putting people back to work at a living wage with reasonable benefits. Putting back enough of the accumulated capital generated from a healthy economy to make good for all of the larceny perpetrated on the American middle class, just the pensions, I am not even talking about the biggest bank heist of all times, which is what the housing market fiasco was; you can tell because wealth dropped at a greater rate the less you had. And restitution of the safeguards that keep lousy, whorish, thieves from stealing from honest people not able to protect themselves. No more; no less.



Wishing for a war in Iran; and I am a delusionary? Loomis I am more than willing to drive you to your nearest recruit training depot. All you that want a war, (which I find thousands times more despicable than wishing for a favorite player to rise due to the injury of another), I hope you have the sense to volunteer. You would be doing the world a kind favor, and finally walking the walk instead of just talking the talk.

I would like to see all of your (you that called me names), credentials, that help you reach your advanced diagnosis. Instead, you all rely on the uncomfortable smarmy smiles of bullies, punctuated by a fool's the silence of ideas. Ireland is a perfect example, though stark, because the genocide was aimed at the undercasses. If you think that the underclasses aren't being persecuted here, you are wrong.

And if you think this county can wage war with Iran, who has some of the latest technology the Chinese have stolen, or been given by Corporate America, you are sorely mistaken. The US Military doesn't even know how much of a stealth advangage it maintains. Further, three reports prepared for the Pentagon stated that to wage further war, or war on Iran, the selective service would have to be geared up and a draft instituted. Add that to the calculations of your giant war machine. This war would hit the tipping point, privation would be iminent and great. With massive conscripted casualties and funny money, there would be wide-spread rioting, and with the first rioters killed the potential of armed insurrection. This is a no win scenario. Of all the things on the horizon, this pitfall would be one of the worst.

If you all want to go to war, send your sons or go yourself. I have had enough of it. And thanks to God, my kids won't go!

...in short...I pedicted ND would lose to SC...but you didn't jump all over my a$$ because you assumed I didn't want it, and assumed I just thought it to be likely...how about you give me the same benefit of the doubt on this topic Bogs.

I said Amen, this is going to happen...and you go all PMS on me. I predict it indeed will...however, somewhere in those words you've devined my preference. I would "prefer" you not do that...

However, since we are on the topic, I would also "prefer" a healthy diplomatic process which dealt with Iran. Since the UN is totally incapable of leading that charge, I indeed believe it falls upon us to deal with this. You must be clear though...diplomacy is not simply a series of BS sessions and list of appeasements. It is a risk-based, objective process, and must be predictable to your foe, such that he knows what comes next, and eventually what comes next is war.

Now, you'd have to be an idiot to want war. However, you'd be an idiot X2 if you thought a negotiating session would be worth a pint of **** if war wasn't visible on the list of "options".

I think our approach to these situations is muddled, and since we don't know what we'll do next, how could our foe. As such, the lack of clarity, I think, will CAUSE war over this...

 

[Buster Bluth]

"The private sector is doing fine. Where we're seeing weaknesses in our economy have to do with state and local government..."

And Mitt Romney is the one who's out of touch?

Wake up.

 

[ACamp1900]

And Mitt Romney is the one who's out of touch?

Wake up.

Good leaders unite and lead (especially when they openly say they will) not divide and defer....

I'm ACamp1900, and I approve this message.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

...in short...I pedicted ND would lose to SC...but you didn't jump all over my a$$ because you assumed I didn't want it, and assumed I just thought it to be likely...how about you give me the same benefit of the doubt on this topic Bogs.

I said Amen, this is going to happen...and you go all PMS on me. I predict it indeed will...however, somewhere in those words you've devined my preference. I would "prefer" you not do that...

However, since we are on the topic, I would also "prefer" a healthy diplomatic process which dealt with Iran. Since the UN is totally incapable of leading that charge, I indeed believe it falls upon us to deal with this. You must be clear though...diplomacy is not simply a series of BS sessions and list of appeasements. It is a risk-based, objective process, and must be predictable to your foe, such that he knows what comes next, and eventually what comes next is war.

Now, you'd have to be an idiot to want war. However, you'd be an idiot X2 if you thought a negotiating session would be worth a pint of **** if war wasn't visible on the list of "options".

I think our approach to these situations is muddled, and since we don't know what we'll do next, how could our foe. As such, the lack of clarity, I think, will CAUSE war over this...

ph, a chara,

I just saw your latest post and wanted to respond right away. I think, it appears I carefully crafted my answer away from you even though I used your post to quote. My response was to those who seemed to "wish" for a war with Iran, and also called me dilusional. In fact, there are a couple of people on this thread that when they can no longer have their way, they resort to name calling. I thought even though I selected your post, excluding your name in favor of someone elses showed that I wasn't addressing you. I am sorry for falling short.

As far as the Iran situation, it is a trap, and the only way to proceed is with consensus building. It will cost many, many times what the last three or four military engagements cost. Another way of looking at it would be what is our goal? And is it clear cut? Another red flag. And don't kid yourself; there are many out there who see another war as "just what the doctor ordered for all that ails you." That is why I used your post; the inevatibility of it, in your words. It is not inevatible I hope to God, otherwise I am going to join my Mayan Calandar friends.

Our approach is simple. We do what we want, because nobody has said no hard enough to make us stop. Dem or rep alike we do what we want where we want regardless of world opinion. It is a flavor of the week kind of thing. You are right there is no rhyme or reason and little consistency.

Beir bua agus beannacht,


Bogs

 

[WILLIAMOREN]

hhmm..guys as I think we need some reforms inside the country and so I will consider Mr.Romney as the new leader and vote for him...

 

[Bluto]

Since we're quoting people. This is kinda funny.

56 Republican Quotes Against Mitt Romney Every American Should Take Seriously | Addicting Info

Following ACamp's lead with full disclosure. I am Bluto and I approve this message.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Since we're quoting people. This is kinda funny.

56 Republican Quotes Against Mitt Romney Every American Should Take Seriously | Addicting Info

Following ACamp's lead with full disclosure. I am Bluto and I approve this message.

It's not really that funny at all actually.

You can take all of the quotes from people who were running against him, and throw them out the window. So Bachmann/Huntsman/Huckabee/Guliani/Gingrich/Perry/etc's quotes are meaningless. I don't fault them for saying those things, but it's campaign bickering and nothing more.

A lot of those quotes weren't even bad. Like this John McCain quote:

“This is the free enterprise system. The only place in the world that I can recall where companies never failed was the old Soviet Union. This is what investors do in the free enterprise and capitalism system. And, yes, the free enterprise system can be cruel. But the problem with this administration is that small businesses have been the ones that have suffered the most, the kind that need investors, the kind that don’t need the hundreds of pages, the thousands of pages of regulations that continue to plague them and have them continue to hold back on hiring and investment.”

then the writer/editor said this about it:

~John McCain, calling Romney’s tenure at Bain ‘cruel,’ Fox News, May 2012

Ummm....what? Swing and a miss.

Then there are some incorrect opinions (#1 and #45 specifically), so who gives a f*ck what they say...

But some were very on point, particularly the ones in which they say that Americans haven't connected with Romney--very true, and that his immigration policy is ridiculously childish and basically idiotic--it is.

 

[Grahambo]

As much as political debate can divide, I do really enjoy reading the diverse opinions, even those that I disagree with.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Hey ph!

Three reasons I respectfully don't accept your SC analogy as ringing true:

1) SC, though it sucks, is football, which is so minor compared to talking about war; that is forever.

2) This is a war that would be unilaterally percipitated by us. There is no just war concept involved. So it is nothing like a football game where every attempt is made to play on a level field, including impartial officiating, unless it is a USC home game.

3) You didn't say it was inevitable that SC would win. (Sometime single words are a big thing.) You did deserve more of a lashing than I gave you, for using that word, very little after birth is inevitable, and that you do want to postpone.

There is no such thing as an inevitable war. And there is a lot that can be done to limit the scope of a war.

For example, if the family war, Queen Victoria's war had ended with humanity, and compassion, and honor, and Germany hadn't been punished into insolvency, the seeds would never have been sown for the Second World War. Even then it could have been avoided.

My grandpa used to talk about the tonnage scrap metals, fuel, etc., that were being sold at huge profits to Japan that he would have loved to get his hands on a fair price to "produce" his way out of the Great Depression. He blamed the Roosevelt administration, but as many pointed out here, it isn't that simple.

But if some socio-political will had been executed there, think of how many American lives would have been saved if that war had only been fought on an European and African front.

 

[BobD]

As much as political debate can divide, I do really enjoy reading the diverse opinions, even those that I disagree with.

Me too. This is a great group of peeps here on IE, even if 55% of them are wrong. grin:

 

[Rhode Irish]

On a related note, I'm somewhat surprised with Romney's lead in this thread's poll.

If you understand demographics you shouldn't be. This board is not exactly a proportional representation of our country's population. I understand that this board is not exclusively middle-aged white men, but I think it's fair to assume that middle-aged white men greatly outnumber women and minorities here. That is Romney's bread and butter. The margin in the poll mirrors Romney's real-life margin in that demo.

 

[RDU Irish]

I just mark that up to confirmation bias. Both sides seek information confirming their beliefs and have a hard time understanding how anyone could support the other buffoon, myself included.

I find this thread most interesting in fleshing out a few people who are undecided or flipping from Obama to Romney. Haven't seen many people who say 1) I voted for McCain but now I am voting for Obama or 2) I chose not to vote last time but this time I am all in for Obama.

Rather, I hear more people saying 1) I voted for Obama but I am sitting this one out or 2) Obama disappointed me and I am voting against him or for Romney.

IMO - Obama loses two people staying home for every one that switches to Romney. I know a few people, active Dem caucusers in Iowa, that are highly likely to vote for Romney who I would have never imagined giving up their bias. But then maybe they are just racists. Sorry couldn't resist. Many more seem to give up and say all politicians suck and I am just wasting my time voting for either.

 

[phgreek]

Hey ph!

Three reasons I respectfully don't accept your SC analogy as ringing true:

1) SC, though it sucks, is football, which is so minor compared to talking about war; that is forever.

2) This is a war that would be unilaterally percipitated by us. There is no just war concept involved. So it is nothing like a football game where every attempt is made to play on a level field, including impartial officiating, unless it is a USC home game.

3) You didn't say it was inevitable that SC would win. (Sometime single words are a big thing.) You did deserve more of a lashing than I gave you, for using that word, very little after birth is inevitable, and that you do want to postpone.

There is no such thing as an inevitable war. And there is a lot that can be done to limit the scope of a war.

For example, if the family war, Queen Victoria's war had ended with humanity, and compassion, and honor, and Germany hadn't been punished into insolvency, the seeds would never have been sown for the Second World War. Even then it could have been avoided.

My grandpa used to talk about the tonnage scrap metals, fuel, etc., that were being sold at huge profits to Japan that he would have loved to get his hands on a fair price to "produce" his way out of the Great Depression. He blamed the Roosevelt administration, but as many pointed out here, it isn't that simple.

But if some socio-political will had been executed there, think of how many American lives would have been saved if that war had only been fought on an European and African front.

I love ya bogs but...

Just so I'm clear...you took issue with the analogy I used in a response, that responded to your response to my prediction of war with Iran...We've now come to realize you never were really responding to me...even though you responded to my post...thus the analogy I used was explaining something you did not take issue with...but now you take issue with the analogy...?

This is comic relief to the rest of IE ya know...but lemme get my red nose, orange wig, and floppy shoes on...ok...now, lets do this...dun dun dadadadada dun dun dun dun.

I'll just sum up...

Thanks for the historical perspective...I always like that stuff.

Ya know not every analogy is meant to be equivalent on all possible levels...some freedom is usually afforded if the point is clear...pretty sure the point was clear...that was You can't devine my "want" by my belief something will happen. The USC analogy works fine for the intended purpose...that you've taken it as an assertion of equivalency to war...all I can say is uh...NO!

Also, I do feel forutnate I didn't get the full lashing...but you might want to look back, I NEVER USED "INEVITABLE" in any post on either topic...I could see how one would read that into my statement on Iran, but since you are lecturing based on the use of the word "Inevitable"...and threatening public angry talk...I thought I'd mention I never said that...if that matters at all.

Dude, chill...we are all sick of war, and no sane person wants it...but not every analogy is meant to minimize it, and not every person expecting it, wants it...K? I'd say you had a chip on your shoulder regarding people's perspectives on war, but hell, that thing is more like the Cliffs of Moher.

 

[k1ssme1m1r1sh]

I'm still voting for Obama

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I love ya bogs but...

Just so I'm clear...you took issue with the analogy I used in a response, that responded to your response to my prediction of war with Iran...We've now come to realize you never were really responding to me...even though you responded to my post...thus the analogy I used was explaining something you did not take issue with...but now you take issue with the analogy...?

. . . .

I'd say you had a chip on your shoulder regarding people's perspectives on war, but hell, that thing is more like the Cliffs of Moher.

PH, a chara,

All 720 feet. My pet peeve is two fold. The way certain people treat others on this board and the way warhawkish gingoistic wastes of seminal fluid so cavalierly speak of sacrificing life for their own industry. I am not against war. I have been a willing participant; just not for corporate profit. The war part is neither here nor there.

But I had to prove my own perspective in all of this. Over the last few weeks, I have, how can I say, become irritated beyond belief at the name calling and personal insults hurled at others on this and similar thread. It has been more than out there, just read back. God forbid anybody make a mistake, they will be siezed upon and their carcases burned. Or favor an unpopular but honest position, forget about it. You presented the perfect opportunity, as one of my truly good friends on this site. I attacked you unfairly, (without calling you a name) and here is how you responded: "This is comic relief to the rest of IE ya know...but lemme get my red nose, orange wig, and floppy shoes on...ok...now, lets do this...dun dun dadadadada dun dun dun dun." You took absolute responsibility for your position and responded in maturity. YOU DIDN'T CALL ME A NAME ONCE! You could have. This is how this site is supposed to work, and can work. Someone showing a little more maturity and backing off and bringing the conversation, not hurt feelings between us.

Thanks for restoring my confidence, sorry to push, but it had to be someone like you or Johnny, or ACamp. Those that result to ridicule should take a lesson from you!

Beir bua agus beannacht,

Grehar the Bogtrotter

PS: you ran you da's together and you have too many duns at the begining of your circus song.

 

[phgreek]

PS: you ran you da's together and you have too many duns at the begining of your circus song.

damn it...I always do the circus song wrong...thanks for correcting it...

you are good people bogs

...now I'm getting the hell out of this thread before Dshans shows up and starts in on VP talk ...

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Me too! Been beat but was worth the final product: IE relationships, even though they be internet, are worth more than cross words or being right!

 

[Buster Bluth]

I'm still voting for Obama

It must be a Michigan thing. I'll never understand it.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I am going to vote for Obama too, and I am going to exercise my right to vote, early, if that isn't taken away.

 

[dshans]

...now I'm getting the hell out of this thread before Dshans shows up and starts in on VP talk ...

You rang?

 

[phgreek]

I am going to vote for Obama too, and I am going to exercise my right to vote, early, if that isn't taken away.

ok...I had to come back...its like iced cream...bad for me, and then everyone around me pays for my weakness.

Anyway I figured I'd fix your post Bogs...in the spirit of Kennedy, and Chicago type politics, this is what you really meant...

I am going to vote for Obama too, and I am going to exercise my right to vote, early and often, if the guys with night sticks are still covering the booths...

There ya go...and no worries bro...Holder let them off...you're good to go.


Opens Door, Pulls pin....throws grenade...slams door!

K...see you all on here in November...

 

[Bogtrotter07]

ok...I had to come back...its like iced cream...bad for me, and then everyone around me pays for my weakness.

Anyway I figured I'd fix your post Bogs...in the spirit of Kennedy, and Chicago type politics, this is what you really meant...

I am going to vote for Obama too, and I am going to exercise my right to vote, early and often, if the guys with night sticks are still covering the booths...

There ya go...and no worries bro...Holder let them off...you're good to go.


Opens Door, Pulls pin....throws grenade...slams door!

K...see you all on here in November...

I am getting a man crush in that phgreek.

 

[jason_h537]

Romney, for sure. I think he'd be the best President since Kennedy.

I'm not a fan, at all, of the military discussions he's had on the trail. I think they're largely to rally the base.

I'm also not a big fan of his immigration policy, but it's not the biggest issue this country faces.

If I'm going to trust a guy to bring efficiency to Washington DC and to turn the economy around, it's probably the guy with Romney's very impressive tract record.

Obama is the worst President in my lifetime, which is saying something for how bad Bush II was. Obama is, to be it kindly, an amateur.

Really the worst president of your lifetime? Why?

Is it because he is such a big spender?

Obama is actually the smallest spender since Eisenhower. You see the the first year's budget is set by the previous President. So as much as the GOP would like to blame Obama for the huge deficit, spending actually fell under Obama in 2010 and is expected to fall 2013 as well. The only years spending has gone up under his watch was in 2011 when it went up 4.3% and this year when it will go up by a projected 0.7%. No president since Dwight has been as frugal Those numbers come from the CBO by the way. The biggest contributors to the deficit have been the Bush tax cuts, two wars and TARP which were all put into the books before Obama was even elected.

Is it because he is weak on immigration?

Obama has deported over 1 million Illegals, that is more than Bush in his first term. Ground forces on the borders saw an all time high under Obama. In fact the numbers of illegals trying to enter has dropped significantly because of the increase in "boots on the ground".

Maybe it is the Dream Act that makes him soft? You mean a bill that would require children brought over illegally, to live here continuously since they arrive and earn either a associates degree or serve in the military just to qualify for citizenship is not hard enough?

Is it because the economy has not improved?

Well it has unfortunately for Obama haters. Consumer spending has increased, unemployment has been reduced from 10% to 8.2% and will likely be below 8 by the election. Granted, not as quickly as many would like, but this is despite a congress that refuses to do anything and a drought that rivals the dust bowl. The president does not make legislation, he can only sign it into law.

Is it because of his giant Obamacare bill?

You mean that socialized medicine that is provided by the private sector? There are currently 24 million Americans receiving medical insurance right now because of "Obamacare" and the bill doesn't really take effect until 2014. Is it because of the mandate? You mean the mandate that was put in by republicans to ensure the private sector will receive as much profits as possible from the plan? Is it the giant price tag that the CBO projects will actually reduce the deficit? Is it the provisions that ensure you can not be denied or dropped coverage because of per-existing conditions?

Is it because he will take away your guns?

National gun regulation is less under Obama than Bush. So much so that the largest gun control group The Brady Campaign has given Obama an F grade.

So again, why is he the worst president ever? I don't care who you vote for but at least provide some reasoning for making such a bold statement for a president who's record shows him to be one of the most centrist leaders we have had in generations. Despite the desire by the opposition to label him a socialist Muslim Kenyan.

Also who did you think would win this poll on a board that is largely made up by conservative Christians?

 

[NDFan4Life]

VICE PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN:

They’ve said it. Every Republican’s voted for it. Look at what they value and look at their budget and what they’re proposing. Romney wants to let the—he said in the first 100 days, he’s going to let the big banks once again write their own rules–unchain Wall Street. They’re going to put y’all back in chains. He’s said he’s going to do nothing about stopping the practice of outsourcing…

Yep. The guy's definitely a keeper.

 

[Sweetness34]

President Obama, it is kinda hard to fix something in 4 years that took 8 years to mess up!

 

[NDFan4Life]

President Obama, it is kinda hard to fix something in 4 years that took 8 years to mess up!

Don't you find it tiring blaming Bush for everything? The guy hasn't been in the White House in almost 4 years. When will Obama start taking some responsibilty? The last budget that Obama proposed was voted down by every single member of the senate. Don't try to blame the Republicans for Obama's failures. Democrats had control of congress for the first 2 years of Obama's presidency. What did they accomplish? The economy still sucks, and unemployment is inching higher and higher.

 

[Rizzophil]

Also who did you think would win this poll on a board that is largely made up by conservative Christians?

1) Lots of Catholics voted for Obama in 2008. They have big hearts and like to vote for Democrats. This isn't new. I don't anyone says that this board is full of conservative Christians. Just ask Phork.

2) What is Obama's plan for the next four years?

3) What legislation has Obama done and proposing for jobs that doesn't involve union's?

4) Obama overturned a defeated amnesty bill from the Congress. Without seeking their approval. Tell me how that is Constitutional.

5) Fast And Furious is the biggest scandal in our country's history. The top leaders in our country are tied into American's getting killed. (You can look it up anywhere but the mainstream news). The families are suing The United States of America and they are going to win huge because it's true.

6) "Obama is actually the smallest spender since Eisenhower." This is total bs and can be proven statistically. The only reason you believe it is because the Democrats haven't passed a budget which means that they use a different accounting method. In fact, they are currently using an accounting method that is illegal for any business to use in the US.

7) There will be 16 new taxes on the middle class due to Obama Care. I have personally seen four doctor's already close shop because of the increased legislation and liability (plus working double the hours). You won't be able to find a doctor that will accept new patients in the near future.

8) Here is a retweet from Jack Welch. The beloved GE CEO:
"These two sound desperate today. Biden/chains..Obama/dog car roof...leadership??????????? "

 

[Bluto]

1) Lots of Catholics voted for Obama in 2008. They have big hearts and like to vote for Democrats. This isn't new. I don't anyone says that this board is full of conservative Christians. Just ask Phork.

2) What is Obama's plan for the next four years?

3) What legislation has Obama done and proposing for jobs that doesn't involve union's?

What difference does it make if Unions are involved? Unionized workers in this country are still Americans last time I checked.

4) Obama overturned a defeated amnesty bill from the Congress. Without seeking their approval. Tell me how that is Constitutional.

5) Fast And Furious is the biggest scandal in our country's history. The top leaders in our country are tied into American's getting killed. (You can look it up anywhere but the mainstream news). The families are suing The United States of America and they are going to win huge because it's true.

Apparently you've never heard of the Gulf of Tonkin incident, The Iraq War, The Bay of Pigs, The Tea Pot Dome Scandal, Iran-Contra, The bombing of Cambodia, The CIA orchestrated coup in Chile, The massacre at Wounded Knee, Watergate, The Keating Five, Abu Gharib...I could probably keep going.

6) "Obama is actually the smallest spender since Eisenhower." This is total bs and can be proven statistically. The only reason you believe it is because the Democrats haven't passed a budget which means that they use a different accounting method. In fact, they are currently using an accounting method that is illegal for any business to use in the US.

Well the irony here is that I see the GOP quoting the CBO all the time as well. I guess worst case scenario is that they (the GOP) are wrong as well.

7) There will be 16 new taxes on the middle class due to Obama Care. I have personally seen four doctor's already close shop because of the increased legislation and liability (plus working double the hours). You won't be able to find a doctor that will accept new patients in the near future.

8) Here is a retweet from Jack Welch. The beloved GE CEO:
"These two sound desperate today. Biden/chains..Obama/dog car roof...leadership??????????? "

Personally I think Jack Welch is kind of a douche bag and could care less what he thinks about politics. If I have light bulb questions I might give him a call. Lol

Why Jack Welch Is Spectacularly Stupid When It Comes To Women - Forbes

A few responses off the top of my head in bold.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

I would be much more inclined to vote for Obama if someone could tell me why he's a good president, or will be good for the country, rather just comparing him Bush.

"Still Better Than Bush" just doesn't do it for me as a campaign slogan.