Politics

[GowerND11]

Because if you don't, you will never win another national election again.

Isn't that part of the problem on both sides? Politicians aren't passing legislation, or repealing for that matter, for the good of the people in the USA. They are passing legislation for the good of the party, and their wallets. Does anyone really think Ds care about the illegal immigrants they will grant amnesty to? They are doing it because it guarantees votes for years to come. The problem with politics in this country, is they are political. I know that sounds kinda dumb and, in a way, obvious, but shouldn't we expect more from our politicians?

 

[phgreek]

Isn't that part of the problem on both sides? Politicians aren't passing legislation, or repealing for that matter, for the good of the people in the USA. They are passing legislation for the good of the party, and their wallets. Does anyone really think Ds care about the illegal immigrants they will grant amnesty to? They are doing it because it guarantees votes for years to come. The problem with politics in this country, is they are political. I know that sounds kinda dumb and, in a way, obvious, but shouldn't we expect more from our politicians?

yes...yes we should expect more. The fact of the matter is both parties are party centric, not nation centric...and we don't involve ourselves enough to recognize the difference from issue to issue.

 

[ACamp1900]

It is sad how many people I come across that simply believe their 'side' is in it for them and really cares about this demographic and that... I gave up on the left when I realized who they were really in it for and how it all impacted me and my family personally... and kind of became a man of the right only because their BS harmed me and mine far less. I really, and sadly, believe that how we have to look at it personally, which side supports policies that hurts you less?? I feel bad for the people who actually believe in this ‘good guy, bad guy’ crap… even this "greater good" stuff the parties throw at us... as if they ultimately care.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Because if you don't, you will never win another national election again.

Finally. We're on the same page.

 

[GoIrish41]

...doesn't that really just mean the word "NO" as relates to funding anything liberal?

I'm talking about voters not Congressmen. Those seeking office have to do what voters want them to do or else they vote for someone else.

 

[phgreek]

I'm talking about voters not Congressmen. Those seeking office have to do what voters want them to do or else they vote for someone else.

goes for both...

...and no, you don't HAVE to do what voters want if it violates your principles, or clearly endangers the country. And here is THE point...if people ran on principles and not opinion poles and special interest issues they'd rarely find themselves in office facing a decision that would cause their ouster...

 

[GoIrish41]

goes for both...

...and no, you don't HAVE to do what voters want if it violates your principles, or clearly endangers the country. And here is THE point...if people ran on principles and not opinion poles and special interest issues they'd rarely find themselves in office facing a decision that would cause their ouster...

Voting on personal principles sounds great in theory, but a politician who votes how he wants instead of how the voters want will find himself needing some of those unemployment benefits you advocate getting rid of. And, while we are on that, expanding unemployment benefits endangers the country? immigration reform? Really? People want those things, and while you don't HAVE to do what the voters want, doesn't that run counter to the representative foundation that our government is built upon?

 

[ACamp1900]

People want to be paid not to work??? Well, that changes things.....

 

[GoIrish41]

People want to be paid not to work??? Well, that changes things.....

I was under the impression that unemployment insurance was just that ... insurance. It means that workers pay into it, and when those benefits are needed, they are available. Not really the same as being paid not to work. It is making a claim on an insurance policy that you paid into.

 

[NDFan4Life]

I'm talking about voters not Congressmen. Those seeking office have to do what voters want them to do or else they vote for someone else.

Most politicians vote on issues that benefit themselves and their donors. They could give a rat's ass about their constituents. The only reason there are career politicians is because of the low-info voters. They don't give a shit who's in office, and they certainly don't pay enough attention to how their congressperson votes on issues.

 

[irishog77]

The voters didn't want obamacare...yet here we are.

I reckon congress should have listened to GoIrish.

 

[phgreek]

Voting on personal principles sounds great in theory, but a politician who votes how he wants instead of how the voters want will find himself needing some of those unemployment benefits you advocate getting rid of. And, while we are on that, expanding unemployment benefits endangers the country? immigration reform? Really? People want those things, and while you don't HAVE to do what the voters want, doesn't that run counter to the representative foundation that our government is built upon?

I think you missed the point...if you run on your principles upfront and get elected, you should rarely find yourself in a situation where what you do is unexpected/unwanted. When you run on special interest wants or polls, you will undoubtedly find yourself in a rough spot with voters eventually. That's not defiance or inconsistent with representation within this republic...its actually the way it is supposed to work.

I don't recall mentioning any of those things ...unemployment, immigration reform. I believe if you can pay for extended unemployment by cutting elsewhere ...ie that's what the fuck a BUDGET is...a limit under which you prioritize...right? So if you can do it within the budget...I'm just Meh on it. I defy a single person to argue the fact that unemployment benefits beget longer/more unemployment. Insomuch as unemployment benefits are extended such that they bust the budget...yea that hurts the country, like all things that drive debt and deficit....I mean even if you are of the Keynesian mind set, debt and deficit are still not good...right? We ought to look for ways to be crazy Keynesians within the budget w/o being pariahs...shouldn't we?

If we have 11% unemployment (closer to the real number), and a health care crisis largely justified by uncovered folks who go to the ER...so Yea hell, come on down????
Tell me why we would fail to enforce immigration laws, and exacerbate those issues. Reform immigration if need be, but have the honor to enforce the laws we have while the process grinds on. Decisions such as that of Mr. Obama to ignore certain laws indeed hurt the country. I will say the man is an enigma...He weakens immigration law enforcement, but turns 100 miles of border around the entire country into a De-constitution Zone...it is a perfect example of why his policies are doomed. Won't manage the borders, but will take rights away from people who live near the border because of the risk at the border...well fucking DUH! SO that's 100 miles a little less American to support lawless policy implementation from the whitehouse...so yea, how immigration is currently being handled hurts the country.

 

[connor_in]

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Only one missing is education: no choice there

 

[BobD]

?? Does he mention one thing that someone can't do? Coal? I don't get it. Well I get what it's trying to say, but it's not funny and makes no sense. Sorry.

 

[phgreek]

?? Does he mention one thing that someone can't do? Coal? I don't get it. Well I get what it's trying to say, but it's not funny and makes no sense. Sorry.

If the author hails from NY...yes he did mention some things you can't do.

And on the issue of Coal...it is not even a poorly kept secret the president is trying to kill coal. I just watched one of the last burns of a MAJOR coal fired power plant in Georgia...to be replaced by an NG plant...parts of which are SOOOO far behind questions remain w/ regard to sources of power as the administration will not back off. somewhat off topic, but what makes this particularly offensive is the lowest bidder failing on the NG build was a mandated sub contractor from whom? Anyway, So as we've seen with any number of issues, this administration doesn't need LAWs to do what it wants. In the case of coal it uses EPA "rule making" to kill it. You can't burn coal w/o facing stiff fines or AT LEAST harassment on the level of an IRS audit that never ends. So no, we effectively can't burn coal.

 

[ACamp1900]

?? Does he mention one thing that someone can't do? Coal? I don't get it. Well I get what it's trying to say, but it's not funny and makes no sense. Sorry.

That is hilarious to anyone but nut bag liberals...
It is not hilarious to Bob.
Bob is a nut bag liberal.

 

[Andy in Sactown]

2/10 *yawn*

That is hilarious to anyone but nut bag liberals...
It is not hilarious to Bob.
Bob is a nut bag liberal.

6/10 Clever.

 

[irishog77]

I always like it when libs when tell conservatives to "lighten up," "don't take things so seriously," and "have a sense of humor."

Peanuts cartoons are only funny and have a sense of sophistication if John Stewart employs them...about conservatives.

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

I always like it when libs when tell conservatives to "lighten up," "don't take things so seriously," and "have a sense of humor."

Peanuts cartoons are only funny and have a sense of sophistication if John Stewart employs them...about conservatives.

Can I smoke weed?

No, drink a beer like a real American.

Can I marry another dude that I love?

No, marry this fat girl over here.

Oh wait that didnt make it into the cartoon.

 

[FLDomer]

Can I smoke weed?

No, drink a beer like a real American.

Can I marry another dude that I love?

No, marry this fat girl over here.

Oh wait that didnt make it into the cartoon.

Move to Colorado or any of the 20 other states and say you have glaucoma...


You go ahead and marry that dude, just make it a destination wedding. MA, CA, IA, CT, VT, NH, DC, MD, ME, RI, DE, MN, NJ, HI, IL, NM or a hand full of Native American researvations!

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

Move to Colorado or any of the 20 other states and say you have glaucoma...


You go ahead and marry that dude, just make it a destination wedding. MA, CA, IA, CT, VT, NH, DC, MD, ME, RI, DE, MN, NJ, HI, IL, NM or a hand full of Native American researvations!

The doctor said I was going to need a backiatomy so I'm set on the first one :smilewink

And I really really like females so Im good on the second one too lol

 

[phgreek]

Can I smoke weed?

No, drink a beer like a real American.

Can I marry another dude that I love?

No, marry this fat girl over here.

Oh wait that didnt make it into the cartoon.

you need one more to even out the cube presentation...then I think you should add it all in...

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

you need one more to even out the cube presentation...then I think you should add it all in...

Can a teenager text?

No, it's an epidemic. In addition to the weed and we have a full blown trainwreck on our hands.

If I had any artistic skills I would do it.

 

[connor_in]

Can I smoke weed?

No, drink a beer like a real American.

Can I marry another dude that I love?

No, marry this fat girl over here.

Oh wait that didnt make it into the cartoon.

To be complete...are you currently married to another person making it your second current marriage? because they haven't cleared that one completely yet whether you are a dude or dudette to start with

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

To be complete...are you currently married to another person making it your second current marriage? because they haven't cleared that one completely yet whether you are a dude or dudette to start with

Big Love got my hopes up....

 

[Irish Houstonian]

I was under the impression that unemployment insurance was just that ... insurance. It means that workers pay into it, and when those benefits are needed, they are available. Not really the same as being paid not to work. It is making a claim on an insurance policy that you paid into.

That's not right. Federal and state unemployment tax is paid by the employers.

 

[BobD]

That is hilarious to anyone but nut bag liberals...
It is not hilarious to Bob.
Bob is a nut bag liberal.

If you found it funny then I apologize, I thought you had a good sense of humor.

 

[BobD]

2/10 *yawn*



6/10 Clever.

If you thought that was clever I apologize, I thought you were a little more witty .

 

[MJ12666]

That's not right. Federal and state unemployment tax is paid by the employers.

I can only speak about NJ and NJ charges an unemployment tax on both employees and employers. The employee portion is capped somewhere around $100 per year. I am pretty sure the employer portion is also capped but I am not going to take the time to research this. Of course NJ's problem is that they have spent 100% of the "unemployment fund" years ago (spent on other projects of course) and therefore payments are being made out of the "general" fund. There was a recent article in the local paper about the "extended" benefits ending and they interviewed several individuals whose insurance payments will discontinue without an extension. One of them said that even though his wife was working and earning approximately $60K/year, without renewal of the extended benefits (he was also making approximately $60K/year) they would not be able to continue the lifestyle (based on a combined yearly income of $120K/yr) they were accustomed to while he was working. Personally I am against extending the benefits or if they are extended changes should be made so that in order to receive unemployment benefits you must complete at least 30 hours a week doing community service.