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So, Senate removes tax that was put in place to fund Obamacare:

Senate Votes Against Key Health-Law Tax - Yahoo! Finance

Also, insurers warn small business thay are in for some hefty premium increases.

Health Insurers Warn on Premiums - Yahoo! Finance

How much revenue is lost from medical device sales? Article didn't mention that or at least I didn't see it.

The article on premiums may not be all wrong but I find it interesting that they conveniently left out that ACA gives small businesses tax credits.

Small Business Health Care Tax Credit for Small Employers

Yes there is a vaild point and that is if you make more than 94 k and have a family plan you better have employer provided care or be a small business owner or the premiums are going to be through roof. Although right now they are through the roof for everyone as nobody gets a tax subsidy. I assume if you making above 90k in the majority of cases you have a job with health benefits or you own a business thus you wouldn't be hurt by crazy hike in the exchange price above 94k, never the less it is a reservation I have about the ACA.

If you are making less than 94k (again for a family plan) getting kicked to the exchange isn't a bad thing necessarily. I am the oldest kid in the family so next year I have my own insurance I get it fairly cheep because I work for a hospital. However I did the math for my dad on his family plan for himself and the rest of my family. He actually is going to be paying more if he has to stay on his employers plan which it looks like he will. You can only go to the exchange if you don't have employer provided health coverage health insurance from your employer is more than 9.5% of your income. My dad's raise he got this year ironically puts his income just high enough were he is now paying less than 9.5 percent of his income for insurance and may not be eligible for the exchange.

If you want to see what you might pay if you had to go to the exchange this calculator gives you a rough idea.

Health Reform Subsidy Calculator - Kaiser Health Reform
 
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Unless he already pays his employees what he wants it raised to, it is just a nice sound bite.

Just like the super rich saying that their taxes should be raised. Nothing is stopping you from paying more.

Ding, ding, ding, give that man a prize! If the CEO of Starbucks was the CEO of McDonalds instead, his view on minimum wage would likely be different.

And as far as wealthy liberals like Warren Buffet asking for their taxes to be raised, maybe he should try paying the taxes his business owes first:

Government Sues Warren Buffett Firm Over Taxes

Report: Buffett's Berkshire Owes $1 Billion In Back Taxes
 

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So, Senate removes tax that was put in place to fund Obamacare:

Senate Votes Against Key Health-Law Tax - Yahoo! Finance

Also, insurers warn small business thay are in for some hefty premium increases.

Health Insurers Warn on Premiums - Yahoo! Finance

The new law caps how much more plans can charge a smoker, the obese, or based on age, and makes some mandatory coverage and eligibility requirements, so at the end of the day the Feds are making everyone pay more for bigger plans that subsidize the high-risks.

So everyone in the country will probably see around a 30% premium increase. The low-risks or people who like High Deductible Plans could see their prices double or triple.

Yep. I saw the writing on the wall with my small biz.


Just wait. It's going to get a whole lot worse
 

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How much revenue is lost from medical device sales? Article didn't mention that or at least I didn't see it.

The article on premiums may not be all wrong but I find it interesting that they conveniently left out that ACA gives small businesses tax credits.

Small Business Health Care Tax Credit for Small Employers

Yes there is a vaild point and that is if you make more than 94 k and have a family plan you better have employer provided care or be a small business owner or the premiums are going to be through roof. Although right now they are through the roof for everyone as nobody gets a tax subsidy. I assume if you making above 90k in the majority of cases you have a job with health benefits or you own a business thus you wouldn't be hurt by crazy hike in the exchange price above 94k, never the less it is a reservation I have about the ACA.

If you are making less than 94k (again for a family plan) getting kicked to the exchange isn't a bad thing necessarily. I am the oldest kid in the family so next year I have my own insurance I get it fairly cheep because I work for a hospital. However I did the math for my dad on his family plan for himself and the rest of my family. He actually is going to be paying more if he has to stay on his employers plan which it looks like he will. You can only go to the exchange if you don't have employer provided health coverage health insurance from your employer is more than 9.5% of your income. My dad's raise he got this year ironically puts his income just high enough were he is now paying less than 9.5 percent of his income for insurance and may not be eligible for the exchange.

If you want to see what you might pay if you had to go to the exchange this calculator gives you a rough idea.

Health Reform Subsidy Calculator - Kaiser Health Reform

I believe the tax was targeted to raise $20B.
 

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Ding, ding, ding, give that man a prize! If the CEO of Starbucks was the CEO of McDonalds instead, his view on minimum wage would likely be different.

And as far as wealthy liberals like Warren Buffet asking for their taxes to be raised, maybe he should try paying the taxes his business owes first:

Government Sues Warren Buffett Firm Over Taxes

Report: Buffett's Berkshire Owes $1 Billion In Back Taxes

I remember reading that and being just blown away. And it wasn't even a "reasonable" tax position -- his own auditors told him that his tax position was wrong, that he stiffed Uncle Sam for about $1 billion, and he still didn't care.
 

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Ding, ding, ding, give that man a prize! If the CEO of Starbucks was the CEO of McDonalds instead, his view on minimum wage would likely be different.

And as far as wealthy liberals like Warren Buffet asking for their taxes to be raised, maybe he should try paying the taxes his business owes first:

Government Sues Warren Buffett Firm Over Taxes

Report: Buffett's Berkshire Owes $1 Billion In Back Taxes

Great post.

Blowhards like Buffet like to play the "line crosser" for the left....but don't even pratice what they preach. He's a phony.
 

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Now this is something that I can get behind, considering the estimate that gov't employees owe $1B in unpaid taxes.

"The Federal Employee Tax Accountability Act of 2013 requires the termination of employment for tax delinquent federal employees, while also prohibiting the hiring of new federal employees with a substantial amount of delinquent tax debt."

Federal employees who don’t pay taxes would be fired if bill passes | The Daily Caller
 

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This is a crapy second rate website but I must say I agree with alot of their policies. Not everything but certainly more than enough of them that I certainly consider voting for candidates like this.

Reviving the tradition of Lincoln, Eisenhower, and Theodore Roosevelt

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ProgressiveRepublicans.org

It’s time to restore the proud, old “progressive” tradition within the Republican Party, reduce the partisan bickering in politics, and tackle the nation’s urgent problems from a position of knowledge and strength.

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• decision #1: for more international cooperation and less unilateral use of military force,
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• decision #3: for tax increases targeted to the wealthy to keep the federal budget in balance,
• decision #4: for the deficit problem to become a priority,
• decision #5: against the dualistic world view of the Civil Rights movement which in its contemporary manifestation blames “racism” and “white society” for our common problems,
• decision #6: for federal legislation to increase paid leave and maintain standards of humane treatment in the work place,
• decision #7: for environmental protection and resource conservation as new economic imperatives,
• decision #8: for a compromise policy on illegal immigration suspending deportations while requiring employers of such immigrants to pay a surtax to help cover the increased social costs,
• decision #9: against the abusive use of building inspections by local governments,
• decision #10: for a new, independent investigation into the events of 9/11,
• decision #11: against political correctness and its violation of free speech,
• decision #12: for ending the war on illegal drugs and funding more treatment programs,
• decision #13: for a greater federal role in insuring or providing health-care services,
• decision #14: for greater regulation of the financial-services industry,
• decision #15: against free trade and for the use of tariffs to promote improved labor and environmental standards around the world,
• decision #16: against the cruel deception of young people who are being urged to take out student loans to go to college and prepare, often, for nonexistent jobs,
• decision #17: for a crash program to reduce traffic congestion in urban areas, and
• decision #18: for a crash program to develop technologies that will help sustain human life in outer space.
 
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He may have D next to his name but I don't give a crap. As an angry Chicagoan I want to vent and say Rahm Emanual is a bully and a piece of crap.

The Obama adminstration is well rid of him in my opinion. He gave Obama crapy advice as chief of staff telling him that things like appointing justices isn't important, when its one the more important things a President can do. He bullied House Democrats in to certain votes then abandoned them. He was a terrible Democrat strategist and deserves a huge amount of the claim for the 2010 mid term elections when Democrats got there assess handed to him.

By the way our gun violence was getting better and Emanual fired the chief police. The guy we had was doing a great job the last couple years under Mayor Daily but he was an outsider not a "Chicago guy", some of the cops didn't like him and Emanual listened to them.

I hope like hell we vote his *** out in the primary before the next general mayoral Election if not I am so fed up with the guy I might vote Republican if a Republican candidate even runs for Mayor here..
 
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He may have D next to his name but I don't give a crap. As an angry Chicagoan I want to vent and say Rahm Emanual is a bully and a piece of crap.

Have you heard of Rham's brother, Ari Emanuel?

He's an agent in Hollywood and, as one could guess, the inspiration for Ari Gold.

Can you imagine those Thanksgivings?
 

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Have you heard of Rham's brother, Ari Emanuel?

He's an agent in Hollywood and, as one could guess, the inspiration for Ari Gold.

Can you imagine those Thanksgivings?

I hadn't. I just googled Ari and found this from random internet blogger.

Rahm and Ari Emanuel Beat Me Up – Forward.com

So maybe the Emanuel's really are bullies apparently.

I all can say is if Rahm runs for President in 2016 their is no way in hell I would vote for him.
 

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Perhaps. I don't know enough about it to judge that specifically.

It just really dawned on me though that we should really be trying to get a progressive tax structure for business taxes too.

Fantastic idea. Good luck with that one though. Anyhow, saw my first tree sitter protester live and in person today. It was kind of funny.
 

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The more I think about the more I think a steep progressive tax on profits may eliminate the need for a minimum wage increase.

The progressive tax on business doesn't necessarily need to be higher than it is today but it needs to be a steep hike as profits climb. If you closed the all the corporate welfare loopholes and had a steep increase as profits get really high it would do the following:

1 - It will give upstart small businesses a better chance to compete.
2 - If there is less of incentive to make insane profits because of the tax hit then it may cause companies to pay higher wages.
 
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The more I think about the more I think a steep progressive tax on profits may eliminate the need for a minimum wage increase.

The progressive tax on business doesn't necessarily need to be higher than it is today but it needs to be a steep hike as profits climb. If you closed the all the corporate welfare loopholes and had a steep increase as profits get really high it would do the following:

1 - It will give upstart small businesses a better chance to compete.
2 - If there is less of incentive to make insane profits because of the tax hit then it may cause companies to pay higher wages.

I can't really get behind that.

It also took me about a minute of thinking after I suggested it to realize "what do you do with conglomerates?" So many corporations are all over the place in terms of what they own. McDonalds owned a large portion of Chipotle for years, to help it grow nationally and to get their return. How do you tax that?

All things considered, closing the loopholes and lowering the rate is the best option, which goes back to Romney being correct. He is, after all, regarded as a genius in the business world.
 

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This is an example of why people believe the Republican Party is racist.

CPAC Participant Defends Slavery At Minority Outreach Panel: It Gave 'Food And Shelter' To Blacks | ThinkProgress

What this guy said, and what others cheered him for, in that very breakout session really points to a deep political problem within the party. The fact that they felt the need to have a breakout session entitled "Trump the Race Card" at CPAC demonstrates that they know there is a problem. Still, they manage to offend on a pretty regular basis.
 
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This is an example of why people believe the Republican Party is racist.

CPAC Participant Defends Slavery At Minority Outreach Panel: It Gave 'Food And Shelter' To Blacks | ThinkProgress

What this guy said, and what others cheered him for, in that very breakout session really points to a deep political problem within the party. The fact that they felt the need to have a breakout session entitled "Trump the Race Card" at CPAC demonstrates that they know there is a problem. Still, they manage to offend on a pretty regular basis.

They? Did you see the reactions of the people around him? They gasped in disbelief!

A certain percentage of the population is bat-**** crazy. Those people tend to be really obsessed with an idea (or a sports team), so it's not surprising that a loser like this would go to CPAC. Luke-warm Republicans don't go to CPAC, only really passionate people do, for better or for worse. It's the same reason why you don't read internet comments on places like ESPN. Only the mofos who are insane enough to actually get on there and argue go there.

That guy is pretty far down the white supremacist path. To say that that is "Republican" is just asinine.
 

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They? Did you see the reactions of the people around him? They gasped in disbelief!

A certain percentage of the population is bat-**** crazy. Those people tend to be really obsessed with an idea (or a sports team), so it's not surprising that a loser like this would go to CPAC. Luke-warm Republicans don't go to CPAC, only really passionate people do, for better or for worse. It's the same reason why you don't read internet comments on places like ESPN. Only the mofos who are insane enough to actually get on there and argue go there.

That guy is pretty far down the white supremacist path. To say that that is "Republican" is just asinine.

Its not only what he said, which was idiotic, it was where he said it, in a breakout session the organizers seemed to think was needed. They know they have a race problem, just like everyone else knows it. I certainly don't think all or even most republicans are racist, but morons like that give us liberals somthing to point to when we are making the point that the GOP has a perception problem. I agree though. It wasn't everyone.
 

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I can't really get behind that.

It also took me about a minute of thinking after I suggested it to realize "what do you do with conglomerates?" So many corporations are all over the place in terms of what they own. McDonalds owned a large portion of Chipotle for years, to help it grow nationally and to get their return. How do you tax that?

All things considered, closing the loopholes and lowering the rate is the best option, which goes back to Romney being correct. He is, after all, regarded as a genius in the business world.

You just pulled a Romney and changed your mind on an issue lol.

What did Romney do in business that was so smart? Buy up American companies through Bain Capital and outsourced the jobs? The 47 percent comment didn't really bother me as much as Bain Capital's track record.

Let me be clear I don't blame Mitt Romney for doing what is best for himself. How the heck does making your fortune by outsourcing qualify you as an expert at creating jobs in the United States? Mitt Romney as a personal businessman has been outstanding as an American job creator he has been a failure.
 
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You just pulled a Romney and changed your mind on an issue lol.

What did Romney do in business that was so smart? Buy up American companies through Bain Capital and outsourced the jobs? The 47 percent comment didn't really bother me as much as Bain Capital's track record.

Let me be clear I don't blame Mitt Romney for doing what is best for himself. How the heck does making your fortune by outsourcing qualify you as an expert at creating jobs in the United States? Mitt Romney as a personal businessman has been outstanding as an American job creator he has been a failure.

And there you go heading back to that broad brush store.

Mitt Romney is one of the few who has respect from basically everyone in the business and financial world. First of all, he founded Bain Capital himself. So it becoming one of the top three consulting firms in the world says more than one needs to know about his business prowess. Bain Capital isn't the corporate raider people said it was (for political gain), and has been dismissed (even quietly by some popular Democrats) numerous times. A company is worth more than the sum of its parts. It's that simple. You don't really want to buy successful companies to sell it off. You can buy failing companies and remove the bad bits and relaunch the successful aspects, which was done. In that aspect, people did lose their job. What do you want them to do, be the Post Office? Outsourcing charges are most incorrect as a lot of that happened post-1999 when he was only a titular CEO. But even when it did occur...so what? He's running a business and maximizing efficiencies and productivity, not running a government employment scheme. What did you expect?

Even taking all of the outsourcing and corporate raider charges as gospel, the fact that as a consulting firm they are brought in to help and advise myriad US corporations speaks volumes about the knowledge in his head. You don't get straight As through Harvard's MBA and JD program simultaneously without being a brilliant mother fcker.

Even if he was the outsourcing champion at Bain (and he clearly wasn't), that doesn't mean he has an inability to craft policies that would've created jobs in this country. Different jobs, different goals.

So I'll state again that I believe Romney was the best political candidate (sans campaign, haha) I've ever seen (probably since HW Bush or Robert Kennedy) and I believe that he would've been the best President since John F Kennedy.
 

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You just pulled a Romney and changed your mind on an issue lol.

What did Romney do in business that was so smart? Buy up American companies through Bain Capital and outsourced the jobs? The 47 percent comment didn't really bother me as much as Bain Capital's track record.

Let me be clear I don't blame Mitt Romney for doing what is best for himself. How the heck does making your fortune by outsourcing qualify you as an expert at creating jobs in the United States? Mitt Romney as a personal businessman has been outstanding as an American job creator he has been a failure.

Were you in on the projects with Romney at Bain? Were you in charge of calling up china to see if there was a factory there for production? The fact is, this was all debunked last June and you really need to look past talking points.

FactCheck.org : Obama’s ‘Outsourcer’ Overreach
 

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People get too caught up in the Republican and Democrat labels (me included, sometimes). To me, the parties are just default positions many of us take because we have to. I'm not loyal to the GOP, but to conservative values. The only reason I stay registered Republican is because I can't vote in GOP primaries otherwise. That's the only reason I don't register Indepedent. Voters put too much stock in what are just big political clubs perpetuating their own power.
 

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People get too caught up in the Republican and Democrat labels (me included, sometimes). To me, the parties are just default positions many of us take because we have to. I'm not loyal to the GOP, but to conservative values. The only reason I stay registered Republican is because I can't vote in GOP primaries otherwise. That's the only reason I don't register Indepedent. Voters put too much stock in what are just big political clubs perpetuating their own power.

I don't disagree with this point at all, but I often look at who the people are who are attracted to those labels or default positions. The GOP label attracts many fiscal and/or social conservatives, which I understand and, believe it or not, have a lot of respect for. But it also attracts the kind of crazies like the white power idiot I posted about a little earlier. It attracts people who willfully chose to ignore science. It attracts "gun nuts," who want to build lethal personal arsenals to keep the government at bay. Folks who make stupid statements about legit rape and how women's bodies can repel the sperm of rapists. It attracts people who want to deny American citizens their civil rights because of their sexual preferences. Something that party is doing is attracting people like these and changing the default position that is available for those who are concerned with conservative/social values. Democrats have their dead weight, too, but they don't seem to have the weirdness and extremes that the GOP draws in.

People who just want a coalition that promotes conservative values are stuck carrying a lot of really heavy baggage that dillutes their positions. I consider myself a liberal, but I've had a pretty independent voting record. I'm one of the only people I know that voted for Independent Ross Perot ... twice. I have voted for Republicans (Reagan, Bush Sr.) and Democrats (Kerry, Obama), and it never really mattered to me if there was a D, R, or I beside their name. But, just like I tell my kids all the time, people are going to perceive you based on who you associate with, and right now the Republicans are hanging around with a rough crowd. I think that more than anything over the past decade or so is what makes people attach labels to their beliefs.
 

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Raised in a home with a GOP father and Dem Mother from the country. I don't care about labels. I consider myself a liberal conservative :) or GDI. I do register as GOP for the same reasons as BI. I do hate special interest, the current lean to socialism, but I also believe in environmental reform (I'm not a crazy tree hugger), I'm fine with same sex marriage, etc.. I am fine with medical reform, and perhaps even national health care, but Obama-care is not the answer. If you want to start somewhere, take a look at the insurance company crooks. I'm fine with giving people a national health care choice, but it should not come at the expense of people that do not elect that option. I'm also adamant that something needs to be done about immigration.
 

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I don't disagree with this point at all, but I often look at who the people are who are attracted to those labels or default positions. The GOP label attracts many fiscal and/or social conservatives, which I understand and, believe it or not, have a lot of respect for. But it also attracts the kind of crazies like the white power idiot I posted about a little earlier. It attracts people who willfully chose to ignore science. It attracts "gun nuts," who want to build lethal personal arsenals to keep the government at bay. Folks who make stupid statements about legit rape and how women's bodies can repel the sperm of rapists. It attracts people who want to deny American citizens their civil rights because of their sexual preferences. Something that party is doing is attracting people like these and changing the default position that is available for those who are concerned with conservative/social values. Democrats have their dead weight, too, but they don't seem to have the weirdness and extremes that the GOP draws in.

People who just want a coalition that promotes conservative values are stuck carrying a lot of really heavy baggage that dillutes their positions. I consider myself a liberal, but I've had a pretty independent voting record. I'm one of the only people I know that voted for Independent Ross Perot ... twice. I have voted for Republicans (Reagan, Bush Sr.) and Democrats (Kerry, Obama), and it never really mattered to me if there was a D, R, or I beside their name. But, just like I tell my kids all the time, people are going to perceive you based on who you associate with, and right now the Republicans are hanging around with a rough crowd. I think that more than anything over the past decade or so is what makes people attach labels to their beliefs.

Not necessarily true. The best examples I would point to would be some of the more off the wall legislation and or policies produced by San Francisco, Marin County, places in Sonoma County and Berkeley. Those places are also riddled with "progressives" who will fight any sort of development irregardless of whether or not the benefits far outweigh the negative impacts and hate paying taxes albiet for differeng reasons as well. I have all kinds of stories of quacks yelling at workers who were involved in removing an invasive tree species or engaged in habitat restoration type work. The Democrats have also established quite a "good old boy" network of their own in each of those places. Unfortunately until money is severely restricted in our political process I do not see much of this changing any time soon.
 
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Interesting article in urban development. Thought you might find it interesting Buster.

Richard Florida Concedes the Limits of the Creative Class - The Daily Beast

Thanks for this. I'm so-so on Florida.

I think Florida's suggestions should be looked at not so much as a destination, but as a phase. I compare it to the decomposition and rebirth of, well, anything. Rustbelt cities basically died, and the "creative class" is basically the microbes and whatnot that set the stage for a rebirth.

To put it in Toledo terms (because I'm most familiar). Toledo's interior neighborhoods fell into complete disrepair. The Old West End really bottomed out in the 1970s. Then the creative class started to move in; this creative class has a large gay base. Gays have been ostracized by society and started to create their conclave in the ghetto, while restoring houses. It's amazing what a fresh coat of paint can do.

Just last year, the (creative) hipsters in Toledo took this old wall:

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and put a mural on it:

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I'm not the biggest fan of it, art-wise, but it has an obvious effect: it shows signs of life and looks, at the very least, more interesting than the tired old brick wall that it used to be.

The Short North in Columbus (one of the best neighborhoods in the country), has amazing art strewn all about it:

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In general, I look at it like this:

ghetto ----> gays/hipsters -----> yuppies -----> successful urban neighborhood

The creative class is just the second phase among more and shouldn't be looked at as a destination, but an ingredient in a broader portfolio of policies.
 

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Good post.

It's really interesting having lived through this while in San Francisco during the dot com boom. One thing that was quite evident was the mad rush of "techies" created racial and class tensions (even among the gay population who bemoaned "yuppie breeders" moving into the Castro) and forced the poor and racial minorities out of that city in really large numbers. Im guessing thats why crime has spiked so severly in outlying bay area places like Stockton over the last decade. It's also astonishing how much employment is concentrated in relatively low paying service sector jobs. It's also irionic that most "urban culture" has its roots in the very populations being displaced and the "hipsters" seem forever engaged in denying their "hipness" and or bickering with each other over what constitutes authentic "coolness".

It was also interesting that while in graduate school we looked at how to "reinvigorate" predominately working class Hispanic neighborhoods. Most of the time I would tell my professors that these places seemed to be functioning pretty well for the people living there (they weren't the most violent of the violent places mind you). I allways wondered why the compulsion to replace the local panderia with a Starbucks or Blue Bottle Coffee shop? That's basically what has taken place throughout much of San Francisco and it is killing some of the organic creative energy that made that place really dynamic to begin with or maybe Im just being nostalgic.
 
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