Police State USA

[Bishop2b5]

Body camera video shows fatal police shooting during middle school pickup

Richard Ward's family filed a federal lawsuit Tuesday against the Pueblo County Sheriff's Office.

www.9news.com

Thin blue line baby!

That's it? I wouldn't base much of anything on that. Pressers done shortly after an event almost always contain some inaccuracies. Keep in mind, that was NOT either of the officers involved who claimed the guy jumped out. It was someone acting as a spokesperson. The guy having to be dragged out is worse for his case than him jumping out. Whether he jumped out or they dragged him out isn't even relevant to whether the shooting was justified, though. He got shot for resisting and attempting to grab an officer's gun. There's a good reason the DA and the state declined to prosecute. You're focusing entirely on what the officer or officers did, as though the guy's actions and behavior had nothing to do with any of it.

 

[GATTACA!]

That's it? I wouldn't base much of anything on that. Pressers done shortly after an event almost always contain some inaccuracies. Keep in mind, that was NOT either of the officers involved who claimed the guy jumped out. It was someone acting as a spokesperson. The guy having to be dragged out is worse for his case than him jumping out. Whether he jumped out or they dragged him out isn't even relevant to whether the shooting was justified, though. He got shot for resisting and attempting to grab an officer's gun. There's a good reason the DA and the state declined to prosecute. You're focusing entirely on what the officer or officers did, as though the guy's actions and behavior had nothing to do with any of it.

Who do you think told him the guy jumped out of the vehicle? Or did he just make that up to defend his boys?

Oy the mental gymnastics. You’re pretty spry for your age.

 

[irishtrooper]

Who do you think told him the guy jumped out of the vehicle? Or did he just make that up to defend his boys?

Oy the mental gymnastics. You’re pretty spry for your age.

Who knows? It changes nothing with regard to culpability. I have a serious question on I’d like to ask you. Do you believe any amount of facts, evidence or expertise would alter your opinion? I’m seriously curious.

I am legitimately open to changing my opinion should actual evidence support that, but in this case it does not. I know you disagree, but other than the fellas here (and other places) of a certain set of political beliefs, all of the people tasked with actually using laws, facts and evidence that are accountable to voters, media and government agencies DISAGREE with you. This is not a politically conservative state we’re talking about here, but still some act like it’s just the scummy cops covering stuff up. Who hurt you?

It’s no fun to discuss things when arguments aren’t in good faith and you are called names because there’s no actual merit to the other side

 

[Bishop2b5]

Who do you think told him the guy jumped out of the vehicle? Or did he just make that up to defend his boys?

Oy the mental gymnastics. You’re pretty spry for your age.

Why would either of the officers even claim he jumped out of the vehicle? It doesn't help their case. That they had to drag him out is much more helpful, not to mention it was what the video clearly showed. It's a lot more likely that the spokesperson just misstated what happened or assumed or was simply mistaken. Claiming the guy jumped out instead of being dragged out doesn't help the officers in any way, and is totally irrelevant to the shooting, since it's not why he was shot. You're clinging to one minor discrepancy and trying to make a case of it. Again, stop focusing entirely on what the officers do and look at the entire picture, including what the guy who got shot did to bring this all about.

We all hate that the guy got shot. Shouldn't have come to that, but the guy was on meth, acting flaky and suspicious, got into the wrong car and acted in a manner that caused that driver to call the police, almost certainly tried to dispose of drug evidence, and when pulled from his vehicle, fought with the officers and tried to grab one their guns. He had countless opportunities for this to have gone better, and he ignored all of them. I hate it for him and his family, but this is 100% on him, not the officers.

 

[GATTACA!]

Who knows? It changes nothing with regard to culpability. I have a serious question on I’d like to ask you. Do you believe any amount of facts, evidence or expertise would alter your opinion? I’m seriously curious.

I am legitimately open to changing my opinion should actual evidence support that, but in this case it does not. I know you disagree, but other than the fellas here (and other places) of a certain set of political beliefs, all of the people tasked with actually using laws, facts and evidence that are accountable to voters, media and government agencies DISAGREE with you. This is not a politically conservative state we’re talking about here, but still some act like it’s just the scummy cops covering stuff up. Who hurt you?

It’s no fun to discuss things when arguments aren’t in good faith and you are called names because there’s no actual merit to the other side

Short of an alternate video showing the guy actually trying to grab one of their guns, no not in this situation.

Also to be clear there have been many times in this thread I've been on LEOs side in these types of encounters. This one is just clear as day. The officer escalates the situation, used disproportionate violence, and then executed him.

 

[GATTACA!]

Why would either of the officers even claim he jumped out of the vehicle? It doesn't help their case. That they had to drag him out is much more helpful, not to mention it was what the video clearly showed. It's a lot more likely that the spokesperson just misstated what happened or assumed or was simply mistaken. Claiming the guy jumped out instead of being dragged out doesn't help the officers in any way, and is totally irrelevant to the shooting, since it's not why he was shot. You're clinging to one minor discrepancy and trying to make a case of it. Again, stop focusing entirely on what the officers do and look at the entire picture, including what the guy who got shot did to bring this all about.

It makes much more sense to be concerned about your safety when a suspect jumps out of a vehicle at you vs after you've taken the offensive and slammed him on his head lol. Can't wait until the police report gets published showing the officer lied about him jumping out of the car and you find another way to dismiss it as NBD.

We all hate that the guy got shot. Shouldn't have come to that, but the guy was on meth, acting flaky and suspicious, got into the wrong car and acted in a manner that caused that driver to call the police, almost certainly tried to dispose of drug evidence, and when pulled from his vehicle, fought with the officers and tried to grab one their guns. He had countless opportunities for this to have gone better, and he ignored all of them. I hate it for him and his family, but this is 100% on him, not the officers.

Ah nice you've read the autopsy. Please post it here so we can all catch up.

 

[Blazers46]

Tough. I have no problem with the officer pulling him out. The officer is controlling the scene and the situation. Officers have to put themselves in the best situation to go home at night. Not controlling the scene or situation can be deadly for them. I am fine with a little rumble after the guy popped a pill right in front of the officer. Consider the context. The call was about a guy opening doors... at a middle school.... and appeared to be on something.

I do have a problem with the officer's attitude. It's obvious he took offense when the guy insinuated police are bad. The officer made that a sticking point to the point that the guy was the one that had to redirect the convo back to the situation at hand. The guy getting shot... did he reach for the gun? I wish we had more angles and knew. I think the non-negotiable we should all agree on is WTF are the officers doing after the man was shot? They let the man bleed out.... that's just nuts to me.

 

[Bishop2b5]

It makes much more sense to be concerned about your safety when a suspect jumps out of a vehicle at you vs after you've taken the offensive and slammed him on his head lol. Can't wait until the police report gets published showing the officer lied about him jumping out of the car and you find another way to dismiss it as NBD.

Ah nice you've read the autopsy. Please post it here so we can all catch up.

irishtrooper mentioned on the previous page that the guy later tested positive for meth, and his behavior certainly suggests that he was under the influence. You've made up your mind regardless of any other evidence or analysis. I'll point out for the third time in this discussion, though, you've completely ignored the actions of the guy who got shot and his contribution to this event and focused only on the officers. That, by definition, will lead to an inaccurate, distorted view of what happened. As for the rest, I don't want to argue ad nauseum with you about it. Let's agree to disagree.

 

[irishtrooper]

Tough. I have no problem with the officer pulling him out. The officer is controlling the scene and the situation. Officers have to put themselves in the best situation to go home at night. Not controlling the scene or situation can be deadly for them. I am fine with a little rumble after the guy popped a pill right in front of the officer. Consider the context. The call was about a guy opening doors... at a middle school.... and appeared to be on something.

I do have a problem with the officer's attitude. It's obvious he took offense when the guy insinuated police are bad. The officer made that a sticking point to the point that the guy was the one that had to redirect the convo back to the situation at hand. The guy getting shot... did he reach for the gun? I wish we had more angles and knew. I think the non-negotiable we should all agree on is WTF are the officers doing after the man was shot? They let the man bleed out.... that's just nuts to me.

I agree the chaos after the shooting was not good. They claimed they were protecting the scene and concerned about the front occupants. I’m not convinced that’s fully justified in this case without more information. They did test the deceased and he did test positive for meth btw. There’s a duty to care after the shooting if at all possible and they didn’t do that. I haven’t seen anything further to justify the lack of care, but I haven’t sought that out either

See! Common ground! Sorta

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

The guys claims he was pulled over for going 50 in a 55. lol I'm not buying that. A policeman doesn't pull a speeder over for that. Wouldn't be surprised if the guy was on his phone while driving and going back and forth giving the indication that he was under the influence, thus the justification for pulling him over and wanting him to step out of the car. But hey! He doesn't have the entire incident on video, but we'll just go with his side of the story.

Again there is NO reason for the cop to have threatened him with pepper spray. None for a traffic violation. ….. so

 

[TorontoGold]

Federal civil rights lawsuit claims Pueblo County deputies killed unarmed, cooperative man

A mother has filed a federal civil rights lawsuit after her son was shot and killed by Pueblo County deputies outside a middle school in February 2022.

www.denver7.com

The lawsuit said this was likely a medication prescribed to him for his anxiety. An autopsy later found an anxiety pill in his pocket.

Lorazepam/Gabapentin/Hydroxyzine - anxiety meds
Methadone/EDDP - heroin addication treatment meds
THC - Weed
Amphetamine - Stimulants likely prescribed in relation to the crippling anxiety the guy appeared to be under and appear to be fairly low amounts.
Methamphetamine - Could be prescribed Desoyxn as he's been prescribed a ton of strong anxiety meds.

Per the below, if he was going to a job interview requiring a drug test he would have likely passed it.

Urine Drug Cut-off Limits​

Drug/Classes of Drugs	Screening Concentration (ng/ML)	Confirmation Concentration (ng/ML)
Marijuana metabolite	50	15
Cocaine metabolite	150	100
Opioids – Codeine – Morphine – Hydrocodone – Hydromorphone – Oxycodone – Oxymorphone	2000 2000 300 300 100 100	2000 2000 300 300 100 100
6-Acetylmorphine	10	10
Phencyclidine	25	25
Amphetamines – Amphetamine – Methamphetamine – MDMA	500	250 250 250

Drug Testing Cut-off Levels: What You Need to Know as an Employer

Understand drug testing cut-off levels for various test types, including urinalysis, oral fluid, and hair follicle testing.

www.surehire.com

 

[irishtrooper]

Federal civil rights lawsuit claims Pueblo County deputies killed unarmed, cooperative man

A mother has filed a federal civil rights lawsuit after her son was shot and killed by Pueblo County deputies outside a middle school in February 2022.

www.denver7.com

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Lorazepam/Gabapentin/Hydroxyzine - anxiety meds
Methadone/EDDP - heroin addication treatment meds
THC - Weed
Amphetamine - Stimulants likely prescribed in relation to the crippling anxiety the guy appeared to be under and appear to be fairly low amounts.
Methamphetamine - Could be prescribed Desoyxn as he's been prescribed a ton of strong anxiety meds.

Per the below, if he was going to a job interview requiring a drug test he would have likely passed it.

Urine Drug Cut-off Limits​

Drug/Classes of Drugs	Screening Concentration (ng/ML)	Confirmation Concentration (ng/ML)
Marijuana metabolite	50	15
Cocaine metabolite	150	100
Opioids – Codeine – Morphine – Hydrocodone – Hydromorphone – Oxycodone – Oxymorphone	2000 2000 300 300 100 100	2000 2000 300 300 100 100
6-Acetylmorphine	10	10
Phencyclidine	25	25
Amphetamines – Amphetamine – Methamphetamine – MDMA	500	250 250 250

Drug Testing Cut-off Levels: What You Need to Know as an Employer

Understand drug testing cut-off levels for various test types, including urinalysis, oral fluid, and hair follicle testing.

www.surehire.com

Umm does this prove your point? A pretty significant cocktail of drugs there. You’re suggesting what these could have been for, but we don’t know. Also, that’s a small part of this ordeal. It’s still the subject driving this situation. Big deal the cop wasn’t super nice when they guy said he didn’t like him. He wasn’t unprofessional and didn’t escalate the situation UNTIL the subject chose to make the furtive movements and swallow potential evidence. Keep muddying the water though, that’s your specialty

 

[irishtrooper]

Again there is NO reason for the cop to have threatened him with pepper spray. None for a traffic violation. ….. so

He IS entitled to remove him from the vehicle and he IS entitled to use necessary force. So there is reason depending on the circumstances. Are you all willfully this blinded by hatred towards a profession?

 

[Blazers46]

I don’t think the family did the guy any favors. An almost middle aged man with mental health issues tagging along to pick up brother, then gets out while heavily medicated to walk around… probably not the best place to go for a stroll.

 

[Irish#1]

Again there is NO reason for the cop to have threatened him with pepper spray. None for a traffic violation. ….. so

You don’t know the real reason for him pulling the guy over. There’s NO reason for the guy not to comply. If he does, there’s no threat of pepper spray.

What do you have against people complying with an officer’s request?

 

[Bishop2b5]

Again there is NO reason for the cop to have threatened him with pepper spray. None for a traffic violation. ….. so

You are 100% wrong. The officer absolutely DOES have a right under several circumstances to ask the guy to step out of his car and to forcefully remove him if he refuses to comply.

 

[TorontoGold]

Umm does this prove your point? A pretty significant cocktail of drugs there. You’re suggesting what these could have been for, but we don’t know. Also, that’s a small part of this ordeal. It’s still the subject driving this situation. Big deal the cop wasn’t super nice when they guy said he didn’t like him. He wasn’t unprofessional and didn’t escalate the situation UNTIL the subject chose to make the furtive movements and swallow potential evidence. Keep muddying the water though, that’s your specialty

Simply posted the toxicology report since others were wondering about it. The attorney made the claim that he had been prescribed anxiety meds, these are anxiety meds.

No need to get personal there buddy, I didn't quote or respond to anyone.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

You don’t know the real reason for him pulling the guy over. There’s NO reason for the guy not to comply. If he does, there’s no threat of pepper spray.

What do you have against people complying with an officer’s request?

The reason was a traffic violation (which is alleged until going before a judge with the officer present). The driver claimed it was unlawful which is his right to challenge. The officer should have issued a citation and moved on to await his day in court with a judge present.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

He IS entitled to remove him from the vehicle and he IS entitled to use necessary force. So there is reason depending on the circumstances. Are you all willfully this blinded by hatred towards a profession?

I don’t hate cops at all and I don’t envy anyone in that profession. I do strongly question how they conduct themselves and am very skeptical of their interactions with the public. I personally have had no problems. I however have witnessed numerous instances of bullshit and power trips. The police force is over militarized and I believe they exceed their mandate to PROTECT AND SERVE quite often. This incident is a prime example. It was a alleged moving violation which the driver claimed was unlawful one at that. Issue the citation and see him in court. The only thing this driver shows was frustration which is totally fine. He can be frustrated about what he perceives to be tailgating and getting pulled over for going 50 in a 55. To my knowledge the officer has to show proof the driver did this? Could he? Will he? Issue the citations md go to court. Everyone lives no one does and no one gets pepper sprayed.

He can certainly order the person out of the car I’m aware of that but asking the driver out of the vehicle for a moving violation (the driver claimed it was unlawful in the video) is EXCESSIVE AND ESCALTING. I am unaware of any authority for the officer to reach into the car and atake his personal property (phone) though. Care to rationalize for me? That also seems…if not illegal…. Excessive and escalating. The driver was videoing the interaction and the cop tried to take his phone by reaching into the car across the driver. That is at best unacceptable behavior and out of bounds of the law for a traffic stop.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Cops are making shit up as they go along. Prime example.

 

[GATTACA!]

I don’t hate cops at all and I don’t envy anyone in that profession. I do strongly question how they conduct themselves and am very skeptical of their interactions with the public. I personally have had no problems. I however have witnessed numerous instances of bullshit and power trips. The police force is over militarized and I believe they exceed their mandate to PROTECT AND SERVE quite often. This incident is a prime example. It was a alleged moving violation which the driver claimed was unlawful one at that. Issue the citation and see him in court. The only thing this driver shows was frustration which is totally fine. He can be frustrated about what he perceives to be tailgating and getting pulled over for going 50 in a 55. To my knowledge the officer has to show proof the driver did this? Could he? Will he? Issue the citations md go to court. Everyone lives no one does and no one gets pepper sprayed.

He can certainly order the person out of the car I’m aware of that but asking the driver out of the vehicle for a moving violation (the driver claimed it was unlawful in the video) is EXCESSIVE AND ESCALTING. I am unaware of any authority for the officer to reach into the car and atake his personal property (phone) though. Care to rationalize for me? That also seems…if not illegal…. Excessive and escalating. The driver was videoing the interaction and the cop tried to take his phone by reaching into the car across the driver. That is at best unacceptable behavior and out of bounds of the law for a traffic stop.

Earlier in the video you hear him say 60 in a 55 and that’s what the tweet says too. Pretty sure 50 in a 55 was a slip of the tongue.

Also how often is this cop pepper spraying people that his canister is empty? Lol

 

[Irish#1]

The reason was a traffic violation (which is alleged until going before a judge with the officer present). The driver claimed it was unlawful which is his right to challenge. The officer should have issued a citation and moved on to await his day in court with a judge present.

You fail to understand that a traffic violation isn’t always as simple as speeding or as this guy claims going 50 in a 55. If the guy is moving back and forth in his lane it gives the police the impression that he may be driving under the influence. People using their phone while driving gives the same impression. The officer has a duty to the public to determine if he is under the influence or just a knucklehead that needs to put his phone down before he lets him proceed. This guy was being a sick.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

You fail to understand that a traffic violation isn’t always as simple as speeding or as this guy claims going 50 in a 55. If the guy is moving back and forth in his lane it gives the police the impression that he may be driving under the influence. People using their phone while driving gives the same impression. The officer has a duty to the public to determine if he is under the influence or just a knucklehead that needs to put his phone down before he lets him proceed. This guy was being a sick.

I understand completely. There is no indication that there was anything more to it than speeding. You are the one speculating. Not me.

 

[GoIrish41]

You fail to understand that a traffic violation isn’t always as simple as speeding or as this guy claims going 50 in a 55. If the guy is moving back and forth in his lane it gives the police the impression that he may be driving under the influence. People using their phone while driving gives the same impression. The officer has a duty to the public to determine if he is under the influence or just a knucklehead that needs to put his phone down before he lets him proceed. This guy was being a sick.

Who knew “if” could do such heavy lifting? Everything after your first sentence is a story you made up in your head. The video shows what happened. Period.

 

[Irish#1]

I understand completely. There is no indication that there was anything more to it than speeding. You are the one speculating. Not me.

Speculating yes, because you’re basing your criticism solely off of the video which doesn’t show what was going on for him to be pulled over. Police don’t ask you to get out off the car for a typical speeding ticket.

 

[Irish#1]

Who knew “if” could do such heavy lifting? Everything after your first sentence is a story you made up in your head. The video shows what happened. Period.

Lol

 

[drayer54]

A symptom of our under-incarceration problem. A known gang member, gun charges, aggravated battery, assault w/ weapon, burglary, and Grand Theft.





Also- he said he can’t breathe. Think about that one for a hot minute.

 

[GATTACA!]

A symptom of our under-incarceration problem. A known gang member, gun charges, aggravated battery, assault w/ weapon, burglary, and Grand Theft.





Also- he said he can’t breathe. Think about that one for a hot minute.

Think about what? They had him handcuffed and were off of him in under a minute. Chauvin had his knee on Floyd’s neck for what? 8 minutes?

 

[jprue24]

Think about what? They had him handcuffed and were off of him in under a minute. Chauvin had his knee on Floyd’s neck for what? 8 minutes?

"I can't breathe" was the guy that was murdered in a choke hole.

Your point still stands though

 

[SeekNDestroy]

"I can't breathe" was the guy that was murdered in a choke hole.

Your point still stands though

Floyd also said it.