Patience

[Riddickulous]

Notre Dame is not an elite program. It takes TIME to build a program.

God, some of these posts are sickening. The negativity on this board is overwhelming.

Today's game was by no means encouraging, and there were some boneheaded calls by Kelly. I understand that. What I don't understand is the calling for his head. You've got to be kidding me.

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Let's see Kelly's program before we start calling for his head.

IMO, we don't have a single full class of Kelly recruits on this football team. I'd say 75% of our current freshman class committed during Charlie's tenure. We have a great class going, right now, that will still be fairly good even with some decommits.

We won't see a full team of Kelly players until 2014. If we're still bad then, fire him. But to call for his head, right now, is pure stupidity.



I don't know about the rest of you, but I want to see a KELLY team before I call for his head. This is still very much a Charlie Weis team.

Cue the negative "The sky is falling" responses. I'm the one willing to wait for some results.

 

[mgriff]

He absolutely deserves some time and should not be fired. It is not, however, crazy to question the direction the program is going as a result of some of BK's decisions. Here's to next year

 

[NDFANnSouthWest]

I think some people thought we would win 10 games this year....as you said above it is going to take some time. Maybe 2012....is when we make out run.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Notre Dame is not an elite program. It takes TIME to build a program.

God, some of these posts are sickening. The negativity on this board is overwhelming.

Today's game was by no means encouraging, and there were some boneheaded calls by Kelly. I understand that. What I don't understand is the calling for his head. You've got to be kidding me.

________

Let's see Kelly's program before we start calling for his head.

IMO, we don't have a single full class of Kelly recruits on this football team. I'd say 75% of our current freshman class committed during Charlie's tenure. We have a great class going, right now, that will still be fairly good even with some decommits.

We won't see a full team of Kelly players until 2014. If we're still bad then, fire him. But to call for his head, right now, is pure stupidity.



I don't know about the rest of you, but I want to see a KELLY team before I call for his head. This is still very much a Charlie Weis team.

Cue the negative "The sky is falling" responses. I'm the one willing to wait for some results.

Frikken lol Riddiculous. You were the first one to bust a nut in the game day thread. You went ape caca almost immediately. I love you my bipolar friend. lol. (Just messin with ya)


Or am I?

 

[Riddickulous]

Frikken lol Riddiculous. You were the first one to bust a nut in the game day thread. You went ape caca almost immediately. I love you my bipolar friend. lol. (Just messin with ya)


Or am I?

I think deer season's coming up. Just kidding, brah.

I think my bipolarness is something to take pride in. It shows my passion for the Irish.

 

[DillonHall]

I completely agree. People are being too arrogant expecting so much so quickly from Kelly. These same people are the ones to point out that we've struggled over the past 15 years. So why would you logically expect to be so successful now? The point is, it will take faith and patience on the part of the fans, and we have to believe that we've got the right coach and that we're headed in the right direction, even if we don't see the results on Saturdays. Trust me, it hurts me that we're playing like this in my last year, but you've gotta believe that better days will be ahead for this program and university.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

I think deer season's coming up. Just kidding, brah.

I think my bipolarness is something to take pride in. It shows my passion for the Irish.

Deer season? Bastage.

You know you are one of my absolute favorites on here.



Or are you?

Agree with the passion part. Dang my gut hurts.

 

[mgriff]

You know you are one of my absolute favorites on here.

You say that to all the posters...

 

[Riddickulous]

Deer season? Bastage.

You know you are one of my absolute favorites on here.



Or are you?

Agree with the passion part. Dang my gut hurts.

You are also one of my favorites, my thicket-dwelling friend.

You say that to all the posters...

He loves us all.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

You say that to all the posters...

No. I called you "a" favorite. I called the bipolar one an "absolute" favorite. I have different schemes depending on the game plan. I can adapt. Dammit I'm not pissed anymore. I guess there is freedom in giving up. Still loves me some ND and some ND lovers though.

 

[ND_HAS_RISEN]

First off, some of the posts have just been downright IDIOTIC. I for one am all about having a logical argument about the state of this program, but it constantly amazes me to see how people with absolutely ZERO common sense could even be Notre Dame fans.

That being said...... I am not calling for Kelly's head, and I am certainly willing to give the guy a chance. BUT, he deserves, and rightfully so, to be ridiculed, for some of the bonehead decisions he has made as the head coach.

There is nothing wrong with somebody arguing this point. Each and every person is entitled to his/her opinion, but if trying to get your point across is to constantly be negative and to continue speaking utter nonsense, you will NEVER get ANYWHERE. Having a debate about anything requires some intellectual thought and not just some random drunken diarrhea of the mouth. Everybody (including myself) has lapses in how they really feel, as obviously evident by the Bipolar responses by damn near every person that voices their opinions on a FAN FORUM.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

I completely agree. People are being too arrogant expecting so much so quickly from Kelly. These same people are the ones to point out that we've struggled over the past 15 years. So why would you logically expect to be so successful now? The point is, it will take faith and patience on the part of the fans, and we have to believe that we've got the right coach and that we're headed in the right direction, even if we don't see the results on Saturdays. Trust me, it hurts me that we're playing like this in my last year, but you've gotta believe that better days will be ahead for this program and university.

And believe me my friend, one of the greatest things about this site is the chance to chat with some true Golden Domers.

 

[enrico514]

First off, some of the posts have just been downright IDIOTIC. I for one am all about having a logical argument about the state of this program, but it constantly amazes me to see how people with absolutely ZERO common sense could even be Notre Dame fans.

That being said...... I am not calling for Kelly's head, and I am certainly willing to give the guy a chance. BUT, he deserves, and rightfully so, to be ridiculed, for some of the bonehead decisions he has made as the head coach.

There is nothing wrong with somebody arguing this point. Each and every person is entitled to his/her opinion, but if trying to get your point across is to constantly be negative and to continue speaking utter nonsense, you will NEVER get ANYWHERE. Having a debate about anything requires some intellectual thought and not just some random drunken diarrhea of the mouth. Everybody (including myself) has lapses in how they really feel, as obviously evident by the Bipolar responses by damn near every person that voices their opinions on a FAN FORUM.

Agreed but lets not forget that every coach makes bonehead decisions. Unfortunately Kelly has zero margin for error with this team right now.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

First off, some of the posts have just been downright IDIOTIC. I for one am all about having a logical argument about the state of this program, but it constantly amazes me to see how people with absolutely ZERO common sense could even be Notre Dame fans.

That being said...... I am not calling for Kelly's head, and I am certainly willing to give the guy a chance. BUT, he deserves, and rightfully so, to be ridiculed, for some of the bonehead decisions he has made as the head coach.

There is nothing wrong with somebody arguing this point. Each and every person is entitled to his/her opinion, but if trying to get your point across is to constantly be negative and to continue speaking utter nonsense, you will NEVER get ANYWHERE. Having a debate about anything requires some intellectual thought and not just some random drunken diarrhea of the mouth. Everybody (including myself) has lapses in how they really feel, as obviously evident by the Bipolar responses by damn near every person that voices their opinions on a FAN FORUM.

And that's all this is. A Fan Forum. Nothing more, nothing less. I think we all realize that. I rather enjoy the multiple opinions.

And I see my evil twin (I'm the good one) ARALOU is lurking.

 

[DillonHall]

And believe me my friend, one of the greatest things about this site is the chance to chat with some true Golden Domers.

Yep...and it becomes clear who among us belongs in this category after going through the past couple weeks.

 

[blnewcomer]

Notre Dame is not an elite program. It takes TIME to build a program.

God, some of these posts are sickening. The negativity on this board is overwhelming.

Today's game was by no means encouraging, and there were some boneheaded calls by Kelly. I understand that. What I don't understand is the calling for his head. You've got to be kidding me.

________

Let's see Kelly's program before we start calling for his head.

IMO, we don't have a single full class of Kelly recruits on this football team. I'd say 75% of our current freshman class committed during Charlie's tenure. We have a great class going, right now, that will still be fairly good even with some decommits.

We won't see a full team of Kelly players until 2014. If we're still bad then, fire him. But to call for his head, right now, is pure stupidity.



I don't know about the rest of you, but I want to see a KELLY team before I call for his head. This is still very much a Charlie Weis team.

Cue the negative "The sky is falling" responses. I'm the one willing to wait for some results.

Nice to hear someone with some common sense for once. It's rather refreshing after about 3 hours of reading negative comments. There are way too many people living in the "now" and not thinking about the future. I don't think people understand the idea of recruiting and how important it is in college football. Charlie Weis' 2008 recruiting class was phenomenol ranking 2nd overall and signed 3 5-star recruits. Who were those 3 5-star recruits?.... Dayne Crist, Michael Floyd, and Kyle Rudolph. Weis' recruiting class from 2009 ranked at #21 and he only signed 1 5-star recruit. Historically he had pretty good recruiting classes but his record obviously didn't show in the last couple years and those players were recruited for his pro-style offense. We've got 2 more years of Weis recruited players and hopefully Kelly can get them onboard his Spread scheme. I do know this, whether Brian Kelly's recruiting class of 2011 is highly ranked or has all 3-star recruits, it will be exactly what the program needs to start the rebuilding process that is seeming to manifest so many negative comments from so many Notre Dame "fans."

 

[choo choo]

it was pretty negative watching 3 hours of this ****ty football team loosing to friggin tulsa...tulsa...that wasnt alabama, oregon, or even freakin navy...it was tulsa...one of our cupcake wins...i know i have no common sense, but this ****s gettin old...patience my ***, im gonna kill something...

 

[Stoic]

I think some people thought we would win 10 games this year....as you said above it is going to take some time. Maybe 2012....is when we make out run.

I would of been satisfied with 7 or 8 wins..

 

[blnewcomer]

it was pretty negative watching 3 hours of this ****ty football team loosing to friggin tulsa...tulsa...that wasnt alabama, oregon, or even freakin navy...it was tulsa...one of our cupcake wins...i know i have no common sense, but this ****s gettin old...patience my ***, im gonna kill something...

Easy killer.

 

[NDOM]

Notre Dame is not an elite program. It takes TIME to build a program.

God, some of these posts are sickening. The negativity on this board is overwhelming.

Today's game was by no means encouraging, and there were some boneheaded calls by Kelly. I understand that. What I don't understand is the calling for his head. You've got to be kidding me.

________

Let's see Kelly's program before we start calling for his head.

IMO, we don't have a single full class of Kelly recruits on this football team. I'd say 75% of our current freshman class committed during Charlie's tenure. We have a great class going, right now, that will still be fairly good even with some decommits.

We won't see a full team of Kelly players until 2014. If we're still bad then, fire him. But to call for his head, right now, is pure stupidity.



I don't know about the rest of you, but I want to see a KELLY team before I call for his head. This is still very much a Charlie Weis team.

Cue the negative "The sky is falling" responses. I'm the one willing to wait for some results.

It should'nt take 20 years to build a program. laughing out loud at that statement. Just the same thing after another ND loss......"Wait till next year", "It takes time", "Wait till we get rid of the other coaches players" blah blah blah.

When are you guys gonna wake up? I finally woke up and realized after the last 15 years that this program is going the wrong way. The koolaide is LONG GONE people. What is it going to take? A loss to Army as well? Or ND moving to the Ivy league and still lose games. Its really time to throw in the towel already.

Notre SHAME just lost to a Tulsa team who has lost 20 consecutive games against BCS opponents. LOL YEAH IT SURE DOES TAKE TIME!!!! It's gonna take another 15-20 years too if you're lucky.

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

I'm not "calling for his head". There is an awful lot of hyperbole coming from the "good guys" who want to "wait longer".

What I am saying is that there needs to be some consideration by the ADs office as to whether he should be retained for next year. Thats hardly calling for a head.

Here are some facts; we lost a bad effort game to Navy. We lost to Tulsa, who a power program should blow the wheels off in even a "down year". And of course, the thing with the Sullivan kid. The team has shown absolutely no improvement over the course of the season, and indeed, has seemed to regress over the last month. I can't even point to the "best game" they've played this year - there hasn't been one. Purdue, maybe? Both on and off the field, the program isn't getting better. It seems like things are out of control.

Maybe they keep him next year; thats fine. But they should at least CONSIDER not retaining him after all of this, and I think we are bad fans if we don't consider the same.

 

[irishff1014]

Let's see Kelly's program before we start calling for his head.

IMO, we don't have a single full class of Kelly recruits on this football team. I'd say 75% of our current freshman class committed during Charlie's tenure. We have a great class going, right now, that will still be fairly good even with some decommits.

How can you say this and mean it? I can under stand that he should be given one more year. But who wants to come to a school. Where they can't win. I don't care if it is a loss by one point or 20 it is still a loss. THe play calling is very question and our back running back acts like he has never run the ball in his life and you want other kids come here ok.

 

[kmoose]

Kelly is 8 games into his tenure at ND. For anyone to even suggest that we should already be seriously considering possibly replacing him is nothing more than panic. However, there is absolutely nothing wrong with being critical of Kelly, when it is warranted.

1. The last pass was nothing more than Kelly being greedy. Taking the win by kicking a last second FG wasn't good enough for him. He wanted to make a bigger "statement" than that. I can't fault him for wanting to get a buzz going about football in South Bend, but I *can* fault him for allowing his hubris to get in the way of winning a football game. I'm firmly on record as believing that Kelly lost this game. Sure, there were other plays that, had they been made, would have resulted in an ND win. But, despite those plays, ND was still in a position to win the game, in the last minute of play. Kelly got arrogant, and the win ended up dribbling down his leg.

2. Kelly himself came in saying that there are no more 3 or 5 year plans, that coaches nowadays have to win NOW. So it's reasonable for people to expect him to win, NOW. No one should have expected 10 wins this year, but we certainly had the reasonable expectation that we would not get manhandled by Navy.

Pointing out deficiencies in the program is not necessarily "negative". Calling for a coach's head, after only 8 games? I'd concur that that is negative.

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

Kelly is 8 games into his tenure at ND. For anyone to even suggest that we should already be seriously considering possibly replacing him is nothing more than panic. However, there is absolutely nothing wrong with being critical of Kelly, when it is warranted.

1. The last pass was nothing more than Kelly being greedy. Taking the win by kicking a last second FG wasn't good enough for him. He wanted to make a bigger "statement" than that. I can't fault him for wanting to get a buzz going about football in South Bend, but I *can* fault him for allowing his hubris to get in the way of winning a football game. I'm firmly on record as believing that Kelly lost this game. Sure, there were other plays that, had they been made, would have resulted in an ND win. But, despite those plays, ND was still in a position to win the game, in the last minute of play. Kelly got arrogant, and the win ended up dribbling down his leg.

2. Kelly himself came in saying that there are no more 3 or 5 year plans, that coaches nowadays have to win NOW. So it's reasonable for people to expect him to win, NOW. No one should have expected 10 wins this year, but we certainly had the reasonable expectation that we would not get manhandled by Navy.

Pointing out deficiencies in the program is not necessarily "negative". Calling for a coach's head, after only 8 games? I'd concur that that is negative.

If it weren't for what happened with Declan Sullivan, I might agree with you. But its looking like things are just out of control. We might find out how badly as the investigation continues. It has to be considered.

 

[kmoose]

If it weren't for what happened with Declan Sullivan, I might agree with you. But its looking like things are just out of control. We might find out how badly as the investigation continues. It has to be considered.

We have absolutely NO IDEA what culpability Kelly may, or may not, have, in that regard. At this point, the only thing that we KNOW is that it was Kelly's decision to practice outside. Whether or not that decision is directly tied into the decision to put a student videographer 50ft. in the air, on a scissor lift, is an unknown at this point. Until I KNOW something, it's not even a consideration for me.

 

[Old Man Mike]

One more useless opinion: a). this year's team is a mess. Well, anyone who is not an ND fan would have said that this was likely [a fairly similar situation to what Michigan was looking at a couple of years ago---no one in their right mind expected a quick solution if you were going with not only a new staff but a radical change of systems]. This is not blue-sky bull, this is rationality. People who thought that we were going to roll immediately, AND people who think we should consider dumping the staff because we are not, are the irrationalists, as "normal" as such fan behavior is;-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- b). I like much about the change except for the [expected] lost games. I like the systemic offensive change, and see what it might become in those moments where we can competently execute it. Kelly's teams have always gotten to the point of competent execution, and I see no [rational] reason to suspect that ND will not also do so.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------c). Regarding the defense, I honestly don't know how good Diaco is systemically nor adaptationally, but the players seem at least to play hard for him, if somewhat incompetently. I have no problems with the 3-4-4 scheme, as it seems to be the wave of the future even in the pros. I am happy to give Diaco his chances, especially since he obviously does not have the overall speed to field a great defense now.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- d). I have been in heaven with the recruiting. The emphasis has been on the "bigs" where every team must root themselves. The second emphasis has been on speed, which the future must be built upon. We have been successful to this point in every major pool in the country, and, this is an unsettled issue of course, if we can hold the class, it bodes extremely well for us joining the 21st century. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------e). other systemics seem to be going in the right direction. We seem to be becoming more fit nutritionally and weight wise. Some raw power seems to be added in the training program. We've had a rash of critical injuries, but it's hard to tie them into anything to do with "bad" training. [I believe, by the way, that some of these injuries have been due to trying TOO hard on the field. There are times when you have to just go down]. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------So, what's the current bottomline for me?? This year is a lost year wins-wise, but far from lost preparation-wise. For people who want to fester about this year---well, OK, I sort-of understand. I will do that no longer [I was in that mode pre-Navy because the team had over-achieved to that point (given what I've talked about above), and fooled me into believing that a miracle was about to take place---a small miracle admittedly]. But perspective has returned, and I'm fully on board for the next several year ride. I expect us to look a lot smoother next year, and close to fully functional the next, and maybe full of speed, power, and competence the following. For those who want to drop out, I can see your feelings, too.

 

[NDMontana]

Kelly needs offensive and defensive linemen. The players he's got now are players that he inherited. He's doing the best he can with what he's got to work with. The skill positions are phemonal.

It all starts in the trenches. It was dumbfounding to many fans that ND, having recruited good corners, linebackers, receivers, quarterbacks and running backs, just couldn't win.

It's simple: they can't run the ball, they can't stop other teams from running the ball. If you don't have any d-linemen who force double teams or plug holes, then the other team is going to have running backs hitting the second level--gaining at least four yards--every time they run ball. Meanwhile the o-line gets no push, ever.

The Navy game summed it all up: a back-up fullback running for 200+ and the Navy d-line making a goal line stand against four star recruits who outweighed them by 30-40 lbs. per man.

Kelly needs to focus on the line on both sides of the ball. Period. If he wants to win, he needs to start up front.

 

[CanadianIrish]

What worries me is the recruiting class. It's all fine and good to say "give Kelly time", but if the recruiting class falls apart time won't help. He's now lost 3 commits this month, if he can't hold the class together it's over.

 

[kmoose]

What worries me is the recruiting class. It's all fine and good to say "give Kelly time", but if the recruiting class falls apart time won't help. He's now lost 3 commits this month, if he can't hold the class together it's over.

Over? Did you say "Over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is. Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?.....

 

[CanadianIrish]

Over? Did you say "Over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is. Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?.....

This could be the greatest night of our lives, but you're gonna let it be the worst!

Seriously though, if the recruiting class falls apart how will the future help? The future will just mean even less talent than we have now. We are now in high danger territory for this program - not for the next season, but for the next decade.