Paterno Statue Down/PSU Penalties?

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Just, wow.

... What a disgrace.

The highest officials of a university cowtowed to a football coach to cover up criminal sexual abuse, which subsequently led to further sexual abuse of children, including on university grounds and in football facilities.

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Are you an aspiring lawyer or a farmhand?

The word you keep butchering has nothing to do with a bovine. Kowtow is the Westernized form of the Mandarin words "kòu tóu".
 
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This is somewhat off topic, but I am curious on your thoughts. I have 2 cousins that graduated from Penn St. `11 &`09 both are crushed by this. So my ? is if you graduated from Penn St. after busting your tail for all them years would you be embarrassed to say that you went to school there?
 

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Silas Redd would be an absolutely huge addition for a USC team that basically has no RB. This is total BS if they allow transfers to sanctioned schools.

I was reading the USC 247 board and they made it sound like they have one opening this coming year. Maybe they were counting on Darreus Rogers not qualifying? If they do have an open spot there is really nothing that can stop it. He has two years of eligibility left and can basically hand pick wherever he wants to go though. Moving cross country to L.A. on a couple weeks notice for a kid that grew up on the east coast might be too much to handle. But then again USC is the preseason favorite to win the natty...
 

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I was reading the USC 247 board and they made it sound like they have one opening this coming year. Maybe they were counting on Darreus Rogers not qualifying? If they do have an open spot there is really nothing that can stop it. He has two years of eligibility left and can basically hand pick wherever he wants to go though. Moving cross country to L.A. on a couple weeks notice for a kid that grew up on the east coast might be too much to handle. But then again USC is the preseason favorite to win the natty...

Well, first of all, you're right that if Rogers doesn't qualify they likely do have a spot because I think they were at 76 before Scroggins "decided" to transfer. So this should get them at 74. And even if it didn't, they'd just cut one of their crappy players from the 2011 class.

I'm saying sanctioned schools shouldn't be able to take these play immediately rent-a-players, period. Any school on probation, actually. They should have to sit a year if they go to one of those schools. Why reward those you're punishing just because someone else screwed up worse? USC already circumvented the sanctions like crazy by appealing for a year to delay the sanctions and stockpiling 29 players in 2011.... this would just be a joke.
 

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People in the Central Penn Valley, built this thing. Joe Paterno just led it to hell. Everyone shares the responsibility for this happening. There were a hell of a lot of innocent Germans that paid economically and in other ways for the Third Reich, but in some ways, until you have the purge, you cannot move forward. Today Germany is one of the most forward thinking nations on earth, oh they still have idiots, but they had a chance to atone, and reset their attitudes, and take responsibility.

Eisenhower did echo local commanders orders and insist on having local townsfolk around the concentration camps, tour the camps, then bury the dead after the sick and infirm were evacuated; that even included digging the rubble out of the ovens.

Our country and society needs a chance to work this through. Putting football ahead of these poor souls. That is inhuman. We need to get our humanity back. Unfortunately, there is going to be a heavy cost for some.

Bog, you are correct, as was Eisenhower in making the German citizens tour the camps to see firsthand just what the Nazi party was all about. On the flipside, Eisenhower also left some Nazi officials keep their place as government officials as to keep up the daily routine of Germany.

I'm glad that Penn State received the sanctions that they did, however, I also feel for the kids who are apart of the team and those committed to the program. The fact that the acts of a few men can bring down a gigantic football program such as the Nittany Lions should
be a reminder that power corrupts, and absolute power, corrupts absolutely.

The workers and fans around Happy Valley, as apologetic as they might or may have been, never once asked for their livelihood to be put in jeopardy because of the selfish act of Joe. The man had information and did nothing with it. I was a big Bob Knight fan when I was younger, but as time went by, it was easy to see the power that he had at all times.
 

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I'm saying sanctioned schools shouldn't be able to take these play immediately rent-a-players, period. Any school on probation, actually. They should have to sit a year if they go to one of those schools. Why reward those you're punishing just because someone else screwed up worse? USC already circumvented the sanctions like crazy by appealing for a year to delay the sanctions and stockpiling 29 players in 2011.... this would just be a joke.

I'm with you %100 on this Lax. There is no reason that the other schools that have cheated should benefit from what has happened at Penn State.
 

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I was reading the USC 247 board and they made it sound like they have one opening this coming year. Maybe they were counting on Darreus Rogers not qualifying? If they do have an open spot there is really nothing that can stop it. He has two years of eligibility left and can basically hand pick wherever he wants to go though. Moving cross country to L.A. on a couple weeks notice for a kid that grew up on the east coast might be too much to handle. But then again USC is the preseason favorite to win the natty...

First off, to LAX, SC has a damn good RB in Curtis McNeal (maybe I misinterpreted your post?). His back-ups are the problem. Little experience, and while DJ MOrgan was a star in h.s., a knee injury slowed his incredible speed down (although if he's back...dude can fly).

Now, if SC takes him Redd this year, they're now saying that next year they'll only take 14 players and they'll only be allowed 74 players on next year's roster, as the rule seemingly states. Personally, I'll take that. Everyone says that Redd is a one-and-done guy, so they're trading 4 years of a potential superstar for one year of a RB that doesn't know the offense and will only split carries anyways.

Now, he'll give them much-needed depth, and Curtis is little so they're scared he'll break down, but I'll still take. We're going to be HUGE underdogs as it is this year, so it really doesn't affect ND as much as it will USC in the future. Now they're penalizing themselves 11 scollies next year and 11 scholarship players (down to 74), with a new QB, 3 new o-linemen, a new safety and possibly 2 new corners, etc etc, and with the constant worry about injuries ruining your already suspect depth.

I'll take it...
 
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The word you keep butchering has nothing to do with a bovine. Kowtow is the Westernized form of the Mandarin words "kòu tóu".

I actually think he was talking about pulling a Guernsey from a cable from behind his Jeep. I understand this is a popular activity in the central valley.

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Bog, you are correct, as was Eisenhower in making the German citizens tour the camps to see firsthand just what the Nazi party was all about. On the flipside, Eisenhower also left some Nazi officials keep their place as government officials as to keep up the daily routine of Germany.

I'm glad that Penn State received the sanctions that they did, however, I also feel for the kids who are apart of the team and those committed to the program. The fact that the acts of a few men can bring down a gigantic football program such as the Nittany Lions should
be a reminder that power corrupts, and absolute power, corrupts absolutely.

The workers and fans around Happy Valley, as apologetic as they might or may have been, never once asked for their livelihood to be put in jeopardy because of the selfish act of Joe. The man had information and did nothing with it. I was a big Bob Knight fan when I was younger, but as time went by, it was easy to see the power that he had at all times.

I understand your point. Eisenhower left some of the structure in place, in Nazi Germany. Read his memoirs; and more to the point George Marshall's. It was these gentlemen’s policy to avoid the mistakes made after the First World War. Therefore we can see two differences: there is no impending power vacuum as there is a wealth of qualified personnel available from elsewhere to run the university; and, this was the culture of a single institution not an entire nation. We, in the United States can and quite possibly should destroy such a corrupt institution as a lesson to those that would prey upon our children or so pervert our protected values of competition to hide these crimes. In fact, we do not know if the university will remain; it could get that bad, in that case the employment situation could get much worse.

Thanks for the analysis NDinLA, well done, and I still agree with LAX and the rest who still believe the age old rule, "Let cheaters never prosper." But I also agree with my brotha from anotha motha, Johnny, when he says IT. There is only one game that I can taste winning already. I could even live with a 1-11 season it is so bad!

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My opinion on this and my best friend's differ. He feels the NCAA has no need or jurisdiction to drop penalties of any kind on Penn State because all the people that were responsible are not there anymore. He feels like since Sandusky is going to jail for life (probably), Curley and Shultz will be going to jail for lying to a grand jury, Paterno is dead and Spanier is never going to work again then the only ones going to be affected are the players and coaches that are there currently and had nothing to do with it.

I strongly disagree. While I see his logic in that the current football players and coaches had nothing to do with the events from the entire Sandusky ordeal, that's irrelevant. The NCAAA had to do something...it's their league and they are in charge of it. They hit USC with sanctions for breaking rules academically and dealing with amateurism (and rightfully so). Penn State harbored a (to them) known pedophile and essentially fostered a safe place for him to conduct his activities. It doesn't matter if it hurts the people there now that had nothing to do with it...I am fully in favor of burning the whole thing to the effing ground. Scorched Earth, Sherman's March To The Sea style.

It's one thing to pay kids to play, to ignore that they can barely read and pass them for classes or let them get off easy because they're football players. A lot of schools do it, and unfortunately do not get caught (because all of that should be weeded out of the system as well). It's another thing entirely to know something like child molestation is happening, cover it up for the good of the program (which means the football team these sanctions hit) and profit from it essentially. Eff that. Burn that whole place to the effing ground.
 
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From Bruce Feldman on Twitter...

Heard from a coach this morning who said his school got contacted by 5 penn state commits yesterday.
 

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I'm betting that no one knows except for Bruce Feldman and the coaches. Anonymity is paramount in these types of things because no one wants to be fingered as a leak.
 

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Its taken me a day to come up with a clear thought on what the NCAA did yesterday. Many consider the "death penalty" the end all for an athletics program but universities pay membership fees to the NCAA, what if Emmert had said that they would no longer accept PSU as a member of the NCAA? Imagine the outrage then? For those that feel the NCAA overstepped their bounds, the NAIA is always an option.
 

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Smart on O'Brien's part. Also said he is going to try and schedule tougher OOC games.

For Penn State, games vs. Hawaii could help cure bowl-less future - Philadelphia Penn State Nittany Lions Football | Examiner.com


Penn State is ineligible for postseason play from 2012 through the 2015 season. That means no potential trips to Pasadena, Arizona, Orlando or Dallas. It also means there will be no trips to any Big Ten championship games. For Bill O’Brien and his coaching staff, it means he will not be able to talk about the bowl game experience at Penn State to recruits. Perhaps fortunately, Bill O’Brien doesn’t know anything about the bowl game experience with Penn State anyway.

So, what can Penn State do to have a bowl-game experience without actually going to a bowl game? Schedule road games with Hawaii, and place them at the end of the regular season.

Some will criticize this tactic as a way of getting around the NCAA’s sanctions. It is true that this could easily be perceived as a sketchy move, and there is no indication that Penn State would pursue this kind of scheduling philosophy, but it is something that should be jotted down as a possibility, and here is why.

The NCAA has what is referred to as The Hawaii Exemption, which grants Hawaii and any opponent the ability to schedule a 13th regular season game if the game is played in Hawaii. The rule actually allows for the same terms in Alaska and Puerto Rico, just in case.

As stated in the NCAA Division I Manual:

17.27.2 Alaska/Hawaii, Additional Football Contest
Member institutions located in Alaska and Hawaii shall be permitted to exceed, by one, the maximum number of football contests permitted under Bylaw 17.9.5.1 but otherwise shall conform to the same maximum number of contests and dates of competition permitted other members of the Association.

17.9.5.2 Annual Exemptions. [FBS/FCS]
The maximum number of football contests shall exclude the following:

(j) Hawaii, Alaska, Puerto Rico. [FBS/FCS]
Any football games played in Hawaii, Alaska or Puerto Rico, respectively, either against or under the sponsorship of an active member institution located in Hawaii, Alaska or Puerto Rico, by a Division I member institution located outside the area in question.

Source: NCAA Division I Manual, hat tip to FBSchedules.com

It is not uncommon for schools from the bigger conferences to end their regular season in Hawaii. Wisconsin did it in 2009, 2005, 2000 and 1996. Cincinnati did it in 2008. Washington (2007) and Oregon State (2006) did it in back-to-back seasons, and Washington State and Oregon State did it in 1999. Purdue did it in 2006. Michigan State made the trip in 2004 a week after Northwestern did.

Even Michigan and Notre Dame have done it. The Wolverines ended their 1998 regular season with a trip to Hawaii a week after losing at Ohio State. Notre Dame made the trip in 1997 for a regular season finale. But the best example Penn State should look to is Alabama. In 2002 the Crimson Tide, placed on their own postseason ban made the decision to schedule a trip to Hawaii after careful considerations were given to ensure no NCAA violations were being broken under the terms of the sanctions against the program. But the Hawaii Exemption allowed for the game to be played without an issue. The game was scheduled as a reward for a group of players who have weathered some of the rockiest times in Alabama history," wrote Cecil Hurt for The Tuscaloosa News on May 30, 2002.

Alabama was dealing with booster payments. If that was a rocky time for the program, then Penn State is dealing with Mauna Kea.

The NCAA issued a four-year postseason ban as a way to help force Penn State to re-cultivate their football program with integrity. Keep in mind that none of the actions and decisions executed by high-ranking Penn State officials had a direct impact on the football program, nor was the program acting in direct violations of the NCAA rule book, and with new leadership already in place within the football program the efforts to rebuild the program may not be as drastic as some might think. Scholarships and a four-year postseason ban will be mountain-high obstacles to deal with for the next four years, which is why Penn State must do everything they can to make the idea of playing at Penn State sound attractive to high school players.

Penn State may not be able to lure in a high profile kid who wants to win championships and work on his NFL profile, but the opportunity to play in Hawaii may at least whet the appetite of some recruits. There would be no actual rewards for playing in Hawaii, and none for coming home with a win, but it is something that Penn State does not have right now.

Penn State has never played Hawaii.
 
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I'll believe it when I see it as far as scheduling tougher non-conference games. Their schedules are pretty much done for at least the next 4 years.
 

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I'll believe it when I see it as far as scheduling tougher non-conference games. Their schedules are pretty much done for at least the next 4 years.

There are always outs. It can be done. Besides, if you play AT Hawaii, you get to play an extra game (13th game) b/c of the travel involved and no coach wants to do that to their players mid-season...
 
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There are always outs. It can be done. Besides, if you play AT Hawaii, you get to play an extra game (13th game) b/c of the travel involved and no coach wants to do that to their players mid-season...

I understand the Hawaii thing. No way they give up their rivalries with Kent St. and others.
 

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You really think Penn State wants Hawaii to drop 50+ on them and they're soon to be even worse defense?
 
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