Pacquiao v. Bradley

[ChiRish]

Anyone else watch or hear about the fight? What a joke. I don't think I've seen a more poorly decided or wrongly scored fight. It makes sense now why there was such a run on Bradley bets leading up to the fight; something isnt right. And they wonder why boxing is falling off.

I'm pissed. Thoughts?

 

[yankeeND]

I am a huge PAC MAN fan and I'm pissed off too! I didn't watch the fight but followed it on ESPN. Three different analysts were giving updates and not one of them had it close. This is exactly why more and more fight fans are switching to UFC. I personally like both but boxing to me has become a joke. Fighters ducking each other and wrongfully judged fights have finally taken its toll for me. Then on top of everything they take away the best fight out there by cheating Manny out of this fight to ensure a rematch with this Bradley cat. Mayweather, whom of which is a tremendous fighter, is sitting in jail right now and by the time they could have scheduled the best fight out there that I mentioned, I won't care, cuz I don't want to watch there old asses try smack each other up anyway. I'll stop now but damn, boxing has got to be the most corrupt sport out there now and he'll it probably always has been. Disgusted!

 

[NDinL.A.]

I am a huge PAC MAN fan and I'm pissed off too! I didn't watch the fight but followed it on ESPN. Three different analysts were giving updates and not one of them had it close. This is exactly why more and more fight fans are switching to UFC. I personally like both but boxing to me has become a joke. Fighters ducking each other and wrongfully judged fights have finally taken its toll for me. Then on top of everything they take away the best fight out there by cheating Manny out of this fight to ensure a rematch with this Bradley cat. Mayweather, whom of which is a tremendous fighter, is sitting in jail right now and by the time they could have scheduled the best fight out there that I mentioned, I won't care, cuz I don't want to watch there old asses try smack each other up anyway. I'll stop now but damn, boxing has got to be the most corrupt sport out there now and he'll it probably always has been. Disgusted!

I was saying the exact same thing to the people I was watching the fight with, even BEFORE the outcome, just b/c of how stupid boxing has become with the top fights never happening when they're supposed to, while MMA's best always fight each other. I don't like MMA, but I can see why people do.

And then that joke of an outcome was announced, and it just reaffirmed what we've all been saying about boxing for years. I've sworn off boxing so many times I can't even keep track, but I will say that I haven't spent a dime on boxing since de la Hoya-Mosley II, because of the corruption of the sport. And I LOVE boxing, but the sport has become an absolute joke. Pathetic.

 

[RubberSoul]

Haters gonna hate.



lol, just kidding. I didn't see it. I saw the round by round updates and it sounded like Pac landed harder shots and that Bradley didn't have the power to hurt Pac. Did Pac land more punches period or just the harder ones?

 

[ohara831]

Haters gonna hate.



lol, just kidding. I didn't see it. I saw the round by round updates and it sounded like Pac landed harder shots and that Bradley didn't have the power to hurt Pac. Did Pac land more punches period or just the harder ones?

Punch stat #'s had 253 for Pac and 159 for Bradley. With that range, you would have to think Pac landed more hard ones also, but I did not see the stats for that.

 

[Steve]

 

[Black Irish]

Haters gonna hate.



lol, just kidding. I didn't see it. I saw the round by round updates and it sounded like Pac landed harder shots and that Bradley didn't have the power to hurt Pac. Did Pac land more punches period or just the harder ones?

The ESPN.com story I read indicated that Pac landed more punches overall as well as more power shots.

 

[irishfanjho15]

I watched the whole fight and I watch a lot (A LOT) of boxing. I had it scored 117-111 Pac, I will be honest and say if I was being Bradley-generous it could have been 116-112 Pac. I had Bradley winning Round 1, 2, and 10 only. This is (another) sad day for this sport.

I feel the judges punished Pac for not stepping on the gas down the stretch, but as the champion who has just won 7 of 10 rounds you don't have to press. You only have to stay up and throw a decent amount of punches.

In my twenty years of watching/loving boxing I am sad to say this is the worse decision I have ever seen and it was flat out wrong. Bar none.

The rematch clause caused this. Bob Arum, the Top Rank promoter, can make a lot more money on the rematch since Bradley "won". He can do all this while avoiding Floyd and the cut in revenue he'd have to take.

 

[ChiRish]

I watched the whole fight and I watch a lot (A LOT) of boxing. I had it scored 117-111 Pac, I will be honest and say if I was being Bradley-generous it could have been 116-112 Pac. I had Bradley winning Round 1, 2, and 10 only. This is (another) sad day for this sport.

I feel the judges punished Pac for not stepping on the gas down the stretch, but as the champion who has just won 7 of 10 rounds you don't have to press. You only have to stay up and throw a decent amount of punches.

In my twenty years of watching/loving boxing I am sad to say this is the worse decision I have ever seen and it was flat out wrong. Bar none.

The rematch clause caused this. Bob Arum, the Top Rank promoter, can make a lot more money on the rematch since Bradley "won". He can do all this while avoiding Floyd and the cut in revenue he'd have to take.

I agree with you, I could find almost no one who gave Bradley any closer scoring than if you had scored it 116-112. The worst part is everyone knows it.

Interesting about the rematch clause, I was wondering that myself. Do you think then that Arum's postering after the match about how much of a joke the decision was, and then ranting about how terrible the judges were, was all part of the ploy to get more people to watch the rematch?

I'm just pissed that this could possibly delay any matchup with Money. Just get the damn deal done already. The sport wants to watch the two best play. As NDinLA said, no wonder people gravitate towards MMA. At least they get to see the best in the sport play the best.

 

[TheSunIsRising]

I always wondered what happened to Bob Kasule, Alberto Durán, and Hiouad Larbi; gather they moved-up from Olympic/Amateur boxing to 'professional'.

I watched the whole fight and I watch a lot (A LOT) of boxing. I had it scored 117-111 Pac, I will be honest and say if I was being Bradley-generous it could have been 116-112 Pac. I had Bradley winning Round 1, 2, and 10 only. This is (another) sad day for this sport.

I feel the judges punished Pac for not stepping on the gas down the stretch, but as the champion who has just won 7 of 10 rounds you don't have to press. You only have to stay up and throw a decent amount of punches.

In my twenty years of watching/loving boxing I am sad to say this is the worse decision I have ever seen and it was flat out wrong. Bar none.

The rematch clause caused this. Bob Arum, the Top Rank promoter, can make a lot more money on the rematch since Bradley "won". He can do all this while avoiding Floyd and the cut in revenue he'd have to take.

There have been others in the past 20 years, but this could be the worst. If you go back an extra 4 years however, it isn't even close as the 3 incompetent/corrupt/stupid judges named above absolutely ripped-off Roy Jones Jr in Seoul. This wasn't as bad, but it is still a pretty bad decision.

And, I suspect you are dead-on about the rematch, as Will Shakespeare suggested in his post-fight blog about the fight: "Bob Arum doth protest too much, methinks"

 

[no.1IrishFan]

The judges are also college football officials, I believe they called the 09' ND/UM game.

 

[BobD]

I didn't watch the fight, but I haven't heard anyone say they thought the judges got it right.

Professional boxing is a mess.

I still can't believe they called the Rocky vs Thunderlips fight a draw

 

[irishfanjho15]

I agree with you, I could find almost no one who gave Bradley any closer scoring than if you had scored it 116-112. The worst part is everyone knows it.

Interesting about the rematch clause, I was wondering that myself. Do you think then that Arum's postering after the match about how much of a joke the decision was, and then ranting about how terrible the judges were, was all part of the ploy to get more people to watch the rematch?


I'm just pissed that this could possibly delay any matchup with Money. Just get the damn deal done already. The sport wants to watch the two best play. As NDinLA said, no wonder people gravitate towards MMA. At least they get to see the best in the sport play the best.

How do we not have an emoticon for "on the nose"?

Unfortunately, this match will probably never happen. Arum has huge ideological differences with Money, i.e. boxers box, Arum makes the money. Floyd is worth too much with his own promotion. The very best Arum can do is 50/50 with Floyd, and good luck getting that.

On the boxing side, Pac-man will have fought his 61st pro fight after the November rematch comes to pass. He's not a young man in years or fights anymore. And I have to be honest, I don't think he wants anything to do with Floyd in the ring. No exaggeration here, but I highly doubt Pac-man would touch Floyd significantly anymore. The time for that blockbuster match, in my humble opinion, passed when it broke down in 2008. Which is a travesty.

 

[irishfanjho15]

I always wondered what happened to Bob Kasule, Alberto Durán, and Hiouad Larbi; gather they moved-up from Olympic/Amateur boxing to 'professional'.

There have been others in the past 20 years, but this could be the worst. If you go back an extra 4 years however, it isn't even close as the 3 incompetent/corrupt/stupid judges named above absolutely ripped-off Roy Jones Jr in Seoul. This wasn't as bad, but it is still a pretty bad decision.

And, I suspect you are dead-on about the rematch, as Will Shakespeare suggested in his post-fight blog about the fight: "Bob Arum doth protest too much, methinks"

Yeah, you don't win the Val Barker without winning gold. Terrible.

 

[DaBLKIrishman]

Personally, I wanted to see Pacman lose this fight but not like this. He clearly won and it wasn't even close after the 2nd round. The only argument that I can possibly make for Bradley was that did more work inside and in the clenches that may not have been scored by the compubox but was by the judges. Either way this really sets back a Pacman vs. Mayweather matchup for the ages that all of us fight fans really want to see.

 

[ChiRish]

How do we not have an emoticon for "on the nose"?

Unfortunately, this match will probably never happen. Arum has huge ideological differences with Money, i.e. boxers box, Arum makes the money. Floyd is worth too much with his own promotion. The very best Arum can do is 50/50 with Floyd, and good luck getting that.

On the boxing side, Pac-man will have fought his 61st pro fight after the November rematch comes to pass. He's not a young man in years or fights anymore. And I have to be honest, I don't think he wants anything to do with Floyd in the ring. No exaggeration here, but I highly doubt Pac-man would touch Floyd significantly anymore. The time for that blockbuster match, in my humble opinion, passed when it broke down in 2008. Which is a travesty.

I think you nailed it perfectly here. And this is yet another problem with boxing - much of the real fighting goes on between promoters jockeying to make the most money.

I agree with you as well that Manny's age could play against the fight happening as well. Plus, who's to say that his rematch with Bradley won't be his last professional fight? With his new faith and political career in the Philippines, Manny might simply hang up the gloves.

It sucks beyond belief that they couldn't make this fight happen 4 years ago. It could have resuscitated boxing.

 

[ChiRish]

A ringside account of the controversial fight between Manny Pacquiao and Timothy Bradley Jr. - Grantland

I think this nails it down rather perfectly. Damn boxing is corrupt. Unreal. Manny should just get the hell out of Top Rank, shoulda done that years ago. All these company promoters ruin the sport. Imagine if Manny didn't have Top Rank to deal with in 2008? Him and Floyd would have fought at least twice already.

 

[STLDomer]

I don't follow boxing but this doesn't seem right for the health of the post fight winner vs post fight loser

Bradley attended the post-fight news conference in a wheelchair and has since been diagnosed with a fractured left foot and twisted right ankle. Pacquiao appeared unscathed afterward.

- ESPN

 

[irishfanjho15]

I don't follow boxing but this doesn't seem right for the health of the post fight winner vs post fight loser

Word came out of Bradley's corner during, I believe, the 8th or 9th round of the fight that he had possibility broke his foot. You could tell he was laboring a bit.

 

[irishfanjho15]

A ringside account of the controversial fight between Manny Pacquiao and Timothy Bradley Jr. - Grantland

I think this nails it down rather perfectly. Damn boxing is corrupt. Unreal. Manny should just get the hell out of Top Rank, shoulda done that years ago. All these company promoters ruin the sport. Imagine if Manny didn't have Top Rank to deal with in 2008? Him and Floyd would have fought at least twice already.

Yeah, I read that. Very well done. And boxing is corrupt. MMA is more the American way, in that most matches end as stoppages. Breaks my heart though, I love the sweet science.