Oregon trouble

[BGIF]

Possible. Why cheat when you're not very good? If you don't have a shot at a national/ conference title, it seems like a stupid risk to take.

All but two teams in the Southwest Conference were on NCAA probation at the same time for football violations. Only 2 or 3 or them were any kind of contender.

Currently the NCAA has 33 schools in all Divisions on probation in a variety of sports. Only USC, FSU, and Alabama are football contenders. Division II University of the District of Columbia is on NCAA probation in ALL SPORTS.

National Collegiate Athletic Association - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Coaches get compensated for Wins, even if that win is New Mexico (on probation) beating New Mexico St. Coaches are looking for an edge. Some coach somewhere is competing with another coach to sign the 300 or 700 ranked recruit.

Coaches are looking for an edge to make it happen. RichRod wasn't the first (or last ) coach to exceed practice hours nor Kiffin the first (or last) to contact a recruit outside the rules.

In some cases it may simply be risk assessment of the rewards versus the prospects of being caught AND the severity of being caught. In other cases "smart" or "brazen" people like Tressel (and Anthony Weiner, Gary Hart, et al) who figure they can get away with it or "manage the fallout".

Neuheisel has a probation history and still gets hired. Pat Dye, Head Coach and AD, had to be separated from Auburn sports as part of the Ramsey Scandal Probation. So as soon as Dye resigned (to prevent being fired) the Auburn President hired Dye as Special Assistant To The President.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

I feel a Senator Tressel punishment coming on. He will be suspended, but CERTAINLY not for the LSU game......

*Lots of chatter on other boards saying Oregon is the "10/10" that was alluded to earlier in this post, but all speculative. And calling for a suspension is chucking a stone in a glass house, seeing I want Floyd on the field for USF.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I hadn't thought of that, but given the constant turn-over and massive pressure applied to college coaches, the incentives for coaches and schools might not be properly aligned when it comes to cheating.

It's also apparent that the risk/ benefit calculus has long favored cheating. The benefits of cheating far outweigh the (chance of getting caught) x (the severity of the punishment). Hopefully that's changing.

 

[kmoose]

I read today that this was Cliff Harris' third time, in the last 18 months, being arrested for speeding and driving without a license(with a suspended license, I think is more accurate). I'll giggle my a$$ off, if someone breaks a story that he was driving cars rented in someone else's name, the first two times.

 

[irishfan]

Ya, he now owes over $10,000 in fines/tickets and was suspended for the LSU game.

 

[hrc08]

The Yahoo Sports fella said that he has "multiple" investigations going and expects one to wrap in the summer and one to wrap right before the season. he calls the 2nd investigation a "10".

As a fan of a school whom I know isn't caught up, I. Love.It. a "10". Classic.

 

[pkt77242]

Did anyone else read the article on SI about Oregon tonight. Looks like they could be screwed. I would link it but I don't know how to from my cell phone.

 

[pkt77242]

http://m.si.com/news/wr/wr/detail/3890942

Hopefully that worked.

Screw it, I can't get it to work correctly.

 

[D-BOE34]

Oregon Ducks release documents regarding scout Will Lyles - Andy Staples - SI.com


gotcha dude

 

[pkt77242]

Oregon Ducks release documents regarding*scout Will Lyles - Andy Staples - SI.com


gotcha dude

Thank you.

 

[D-BOE34]

Now for my comment ...


Given that BK thinks highly of Chip, I will assume (no jokes please lol) Chip is a high character individual that is getting placed by the media at this time. If he comes out and says...
1. they got a good ole Team Ramrod laid on their butts

or

2. admits to misconduct

Is he canned and forever tarnished as a great coach?

 

[BGIF]

I read today that this was Cliff Harris' third time, in the last 18 months, being arrested for speeding and driving without a license(with a suspended license, I think is more accurate). I'll giggle my a$$ off, if someone breaks a story that he was driving cars rented in someone else's name, the first two times.

Terelle Pryor said it's ok. They were his cars.

 

[kmoose]

Terelle Pryor said it's ok. They were his cars.

Correction: They were Terelle's mom's cars.

 

[irish1958]

Correction: They were Terelle's mom's cars.

She couldn't make up her mind as to which sports car she liked the best so she had her son test drive them for her.

 

[kmoose]

The latest on Lyles-gate:


"Oregon brings in ‘the Cleaner’ to assist with NCAA inquiry" | Opinions on Sports with George Schroeder | The Register-Guard

 

[BGIF]

"It looks like the fallout at Oregon has begun."

"It looks like the fallout at Oregon has begun."

Report: Oregon's Josh Gibson relieved of duties - CBSSports.com

July 8, 2011 1:22 pm
by Tom Fornelli

Josh Gibson, Oregon's assistant director of football operations, was named in a Yahoo report last week detailing the relationship between the school and Complete Scouting Service director Will Lyles. In that report, Lyles said Gibson knew about and helped him petition the grandmother of running back Lache Seastrunk to sign off on Seastrunk's letter of intent to attend Oregon. There were concerns that Seastrunk's mother wouldn't want him to attend the school.

Now, according to DuckTerritory.com, it seems that Gibson is no longer employed by the school as its assistant director of football operations

Yeah, it was all his doing. Right.

Your visor's on fire!

 

[jason_h537]

There's always gotta be a fall guy

 

[BGIF]

California paid much less for the Complete Scouting Service 'National Package' than Oregon did | OregonLive.com

July 08, 2011, 10:08 PM
By Ken Goe, The Oregonian The Oregonian

Willie Lyles, the Houston-based talent scout whose relationship with Oregon is the subject of a NCAA investigation, also sold scouting packages to California and Louisiana State.

And, according to an invoice released to The Oregonian in response to a public records request, Cal paid much less for a similar package.

Lyles billed California $5,000 for what is described on the invoice as the Complete Scouting Services' "2010 National Package."

On the invoice, it appears nearly identical to the CSS "2011 National Package" for which Oregon paid Lyles $25,000.

The invoices indicate that both the 2010 and 2011 packages include game film and highlight film from the same 22 states

The NCAA apparently is interested in what Oregon obtained from Lyles. He said in interviews this week that he and the Ducks both knew he was selling access and influence with highly recruited players.

The Oregonian also obtained the CSS invoice from Louisiana State for the "2010 JUCO perState Package."

Lyles billed LSU $6,000 for what is described on the invoice as game film from California and Kansas junior colleges.

The Oregonian has requested that both California and LSU provide all the materials described on the invoices.

Lyles did not respond to multiple requests for comment.

Interestingly, the 2010 package that Cal was bought is listed as having been shipped on March, 23, 2010. The 2011 package that Oregon bought is listed as having been shipped on Feb. 22, 2010.

LSU's junior college package is listed as having been shipped on Nov. 8, 2010.

 

[ACamp1900]

lol... this just keeps getting better doesn't it? poor Oregon

 

[BGIF]

lol... this just keeps getting better doesn't it? poor Oregon

Tom Fornelli's article CBSsports.com connected the dots noting that the higher price Oregon paid provides substance to Lyles allegations.

Obviously, this is yet another revelation that doesn't look very good for Oregon. Lyles has already said that what Oregon was paying him for was his access and influence with highly recruited players like LaMichael James and Lache Seastrunk, two players Lyles claims to have helped steer toward Oregon. The fact that Oregon paid five times as much as fellow Pac-12 school Cal did for essentially the same package gives Lyles claims a bit more weight behind them.

Cal, LSU paid less for Lyles' packages - CBSSports.com

 

[ACamp1900]

anyone get the feeling that since Oregon is not a member of the 'elite program club' like tOSU and USC are that Oregon may get hit harder for this than they would otherwise???

would not suprise me. I mean as of right now i is not even lcear what, if any, direct violations took place correct?

 

[BGIF]

The NCAA has regulations about recruiting services and agents. Oregon's situation is similar to Albert Means where his coach steered him to Alabama for compensation. According to reports the Texas kid wasn't going to meet the TX requirements for graduation (an exit exam I think but not sure) Lyles mentioned if the kid transferred to a HS in Arkansas he would be able to meet lower HS graduation requirements. Supposedly Oregon staff was in the loop on that. I'veread that's an NCAA violation.

The other kid's mom wanted him close to home and was adamant she wouldn't sign ( for Oregon). Lyles said contact Grandma, she'll sign. And once again Oregon was in the loop. Lyles claims he has various documentation including phone calls, memos and notes (of thank you).

I see this more significant that USC/Bush. That incident was a player with HIS own agent which the school claimed they were aware of. (Alabama also claimed no knowledge of a player with an agent under contract. They lost and got hammered that time. Forfeits not vacates.)

At Oregon the issue is a coach/coaches, NCAA member employees paying an agent not for film availabe to anyone but for manipulating a recruit's decision. They can't claimed they didn't know. Well they can claim it but there's going to be a billboard in Eugene proclaiming

"Liar, Liar, Visor on Fire!"​

OSU/Tressel is a coverup of players that would have had to pay the money back and been suspended for a game or two if Tressel had dealt with it up front. He turned it into Watergate.

Oregon is way worse. This is the basketball/AAU sewer the NCAA has been struggling to deal with. I'd expect them to draw a line in the sand with Oregon's blood.



As for the Oregon players, like Cam Newton theycan say, "I know nothing. My advisor and recruiter handled the details. Talk to Coach Kelley.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I agree with you, BGIF. It'll be a shame if the NCAA calls down the thunder on Oregon when most of the SEC is (and has been for years) doing this kinda stuff extensively; they're just better at not getting caught.

Practice makes perfect, even for cheaters.

 

[BGIF]

I agree with you, BGIF. It'll be a shame if the NCAA calls down the thunder on Oregon when most of the SEC is (and has been for years) doing this kinda stuff extensively; they're just better at not getting caught.

Practice makes perfect, even for cheaters.

With Albert Means and Bush and OSU the NCAA's info came from civil and criminal proceedings where the records were public information. Lyles claims he has the documentation. I don't know if NCAA investigators have seen it yet.

Perhaps if Oregon goes down hard, and UNC and OSU the message will get out there. We're gonna get you and when we do ...

 

[ACamp1900]

Perhaps if Oregon goes down hard, and UNC and OSU the message will get out there. We're gonna get you and when we do ...

This is my opinion, but I believe in it strongly... The SEC, almost team for team, will not stop their currently ways until the NCAA drops punishment worse than what USC got... even if they catch one or two and HAMMER them... the others won't stop until they too get the message first hand...

again, my opinion but I just don't see that conference stopping until absolutely forced to. It's too big a deal to far too many people down there.

 

[kmoose]

anyone get the feeling that since Oregon is not a member of the 'elite program club' like tOSU and USC are that Oregon may get hit harder for this than they would otherwise???

would not suprise me. I mean as of right now i is not even lcear what, if any, direct violations took place correct?

It's pretty clear that Lyles' dealings with Oregon classify him as a booster. Given that classification, any benefits he gave to James or Seastrunk would be impermissible, and major violations. At least, that's how I have been reading it. It's also possible that UofO could be hit with a "lying to the NCAA" (ala Tressel) violation, if they tried to characterize the package that they bought from Lyles as a standard recruiting package. It's certainly come to light that THAT contention (IF it was made) is a crock.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

...According to reports the Texas kid wasn't going to meet the TX requirements for graduation (an exit exam I think but not sure) Lyles mentioned if the kid transferred to a HS in Arkansas he would be able to meet lower HS graduation requirements. Supposedly Oregon staff was in the loop on that. I'veread that's an NCAA violation.

The other kid's mom wanted him close to home and was adamant she wouldn't sign ( for Oregon). Lyles said contact Grandma, she'll sign. And once again Oregon was in the loop. Lyles claims he has various documentation including phone calls, memos and notes (of thank you).

Well, the academic stuff Lyles did with James and Seastrunk were actually kosher, at least under NCAA bylaws. The issue will be whether Lyles is a booster or a "representative of athetic interests" of Oregon -- whether he is "known (or who should have been known) by [Oregon's] executive or athletics administration to:

(a) Have participated in or to be a member of an agency or organization promoting the institution’s intercollegiate athletics program;

(b) Have made financial contributions to the athletics department or to an athletics booster organization of that institution;

(c) Be assisting or to have been requested (by the athletics department staff) to assist in the recruitment of prospective student-athletes;

(d) Be assisting or to have assisted in providing benefits to enrolled student-athletes or their families; or

(e) Have been involved otherwise in promoting the institution’s athletics program."

If so, then the payment was a violation. If not, they're in the clear.

 

[kmoose]

Interesting............

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[RyCo1983]

hahahahaha
funny.

 

[BGIF]

Interesting Development

Interesting Development

Lache Seastrunk leaving Oregon - CBSSports.com

UPDATE: It's official, Seastrunk has been granted his unconditional release by the school.

"We wish Lache all the best in his future pursuits and will offer our complete assistance to him in his search to continue his football and educational career," said Oregon head coach Chip Kelly in a statement.